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Re: M73 - Fowl Play - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#4861 Post by Chaqa » Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:31 am

BesharamSabi wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:28 am
Chaqa wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:25 am
BesharamSabi wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:19 am


I think we are at the stage of the game that we have moved past contributions to the game.

We are scum hunting, not looking at who post has been good. Faster we kill off scum, the quicker this game can end.
I've basically got scum narrowed down to 3 or 4 people, and rivera is the lowest poster and lowest contributor of them. I'd rather remove him now, because he is equally likely to be scum as the others, and also doesn't contribute to a town apathy or anything if he dies.
I rather kill off blamp. I have rdr as Null. I just feel like he isn't a priority to kill and would add more time to this game. If we drag the game out more, we risk losing more good people in town.
This is my point exactly

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#4862 Post by BesharamSabi » Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:32 am

Chaqa wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:31 am
BesharamSabi wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:28 am
Chaqa wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:25 am


I've basically got scum narrowed down to 3 or 4 people, and rivera is the lowest poster and lowest contributor of them. I'd rather remove him now, because he is equally likely to be scum as the others, and also doesn't contribute to a town apathy or anything if he dies.
I rather kill off blamp. I have rdr as Null. I just feel like he isn't a priority to kill and would add more time to this game. If we drag the game out more, we risk losing more good people in town.
This is my point exactly
If that's your point exactly than why don't you want to kill of blamp today?

Rdr has a lower probability than blamp. In what ways or examples has blamp shown to be townie this game? He's been null or scummy in my reads.

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Re: M73 - Fowl Play - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#4863 Post by Chaqa » Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:33 am

BesharamSabi wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:29 am
Chaqa wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:28 am
BesharamSabi wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:25 am


What end game if we kill off scum before we reach that stage? Why would you want the game to reach that stage?
I don't want it to, but planning ahead is good.
So we should plan to kill off those we view as more likely to be scum so we don't give mafia more chances to nk
I view Blamp and rivera as about equally likely to be scum,

therefore

I Want to kill the one who, if town, will be less insightful and active later

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#4864 Post by President Eden » Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:34 am

BesharamSabi wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:32 am
Chaqa wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:31 am
BesharamSabi wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:28 am


I rather kill off blamp. I have rdr as Null. I just feel like he isn't a priority to kill and would add more time to this game. If we drag the game out more, we risk losing more good people in town.
This is my point exactly
If that's your point exactly than why don't you want to kill of blamp today?

Rdr has a lower probability than blamp. In what ways or examples has blamp shown to be townie this game? He's been null or scummy in my reads.
why is rivera lower probability than Lamp in your view

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#4865 Post by Chaqa » Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:35 am

BesharamSabi wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:32 am
Chaqa wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:31 am
BesharamSabi wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:28 am


I rather kill off blamp. I have rdr as Null. I just feel like he isn't a priority to kill and would add more time to this game. If we drag the game out more, we risk losing more good people in town.
This is my point exactly
If that's your point exactly than why don't you want to kill of blamp today?

Rdr has a lower probability than blamp. In what ways or examples has blamp shown to be townie this game? He's been null or scummy in my reads.
Based on?

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#4866 Post by BesharamSabi » Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:36 am

President Eden wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:34 am
BesharamSabi wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:32 am
Chaqa wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:31 am


This is my point exactly
If that's your point exactly than why don't you want to kill of blamp today?

Rdr has a lower probability than blamp. In what ways or examples has blamp shown to be townie this game? He's been null or scummy in my reads.
why is rivera lower probability than Lamp in your view
Because if rdr is scum, don't you think he would try to do anything in this game? I haven't reviewed his scum games but I don't view him. As scum player that just doesn't do anything.

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#4867 Post by BesharamSabi » Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:38 am

Chaqa wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:35 am
BesharamSabi wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:32 am
Chaqa wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:31 am


This is my point exactly
If that's your point exactly than why don't you want to kill of blamp today?

Rdr has a lower probability than blamp. In what ways or examples has blamp shown to be townie this game? He's been null or scummy in my reads.
Based on?
What I said to eden.

If yall can remember the games he was scum it would be appreciated

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#4868 Post by President Eden » Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:38 am

BesharamSabi wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:36 am
President Eden wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:34 am
BesharamSabi wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:32 am


If that's your point exactly than why don't you want to kill of blamp today?

Rdr has a lower probability than blamp. In what ways or examples has blamp shown to be townie this game? He's been null or scummy in my reads.
why is rivera lower probability than Lamp in your view
Because if rdr is scum, don't you think he would try to do anything in this game? I haven't reviewed his scum games but I don't view him. As scum player that just doesn't do anything.
do you see why it’s confusing that you have strong feelings about preferring to kill Lamp over rivera, yet have no specific reason whatsoever not to kill rivera?

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#4869 Post by Chaqa » Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:40 am

BesharamSabi wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:38 am
Chaqa wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:35 am
BesharamSabi wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:32 am


If that's your point exactly than why don't you want to kill of blamp today?

Rdr has a lower probability than blamp. In what ways or examples has blamp shown to be townie this game? He's been null or scummy in my reads.
Based on?
What I said to eden.

If yall can remember the games he was scum it would be appreciated
Rivera is always chronically inactive.

He usually has better insights as town.

But he also probably would have better insights as mafia.

He's never going to be nightkilled.

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#4870 Post by BesharamSabi » Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:40 am

President Eden wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:38 am
BesharamSabi wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:36 am
President Eden wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:34 am

why is rivera lower probability than Lamp in your view
Because if rdr is scum, don't you think he would try to do anything in this game? I haven't reviewed his scum games but I don't view him. As scum player that just doesn't do anything.
do you see why it’s confusing that you have strong feelings about preferring to kill Lamp over rivera, yet have no specific reason whatsoever not to kill rivera?
Because I scum read blamp and null read rdr.

That's it.

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#4871 Post by Chaqa » Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:42 am

BesharamSabi wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:40 am
President Eden wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:38 am
BesharamSabi wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:36 am


Because if rdr is scum, don't you think he would try to do anything in this game? I haven't reviewed his scum games but I don't view him. As scum player that just doesn't do anything.
do you see why it’s confusing that you have strong feelings about preferring to kill Lamp over rivera, yet have no specific reason whatsoever not to kill rivera?
Because I scum read blamp and null read rdr.

That's it.
But WHY

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#4872 Post by BesharamSabi » Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:46 am

Chaqa wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:42 am
BesharamSabi wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:40 am
President Eden wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:38 am

do you see why it’s confusing that you have strong feelings about preferring to kill Lamp over rivera, yet have no specific reason whatsoever not to kill rivera?
Because I scum read blamp and null read rdr.

That's it.
But WHY
I HAVE BEEN SUSSING BLAMP SINCE DAY ONE. THERES JUST SOMETHING OFF. ADD IN DAY 2 CELAPH DEFENDING

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#4873 Post by President Eden » Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:56 am

brain, you suggested we should ask you questions.

rivera or Lamp?

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#4874 Post by Chaqa » Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:56 am

BesharamSabi wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:46 am
Chaqa wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:42 am
BesharamSabi wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 3:40 am


Because I scum read blamp and null read rdr.

That's it.
But WHY
I HAVE BEEN SUSSING BLAMP SINCE DAY ONE. THERES JUST SOMETHING OFF. ADD IN DAY 2 CELAPH DEFENDING
I'm not saying you're wrong, or even that we shouldn't kill Blamp. I'm just wondering if you have more reasoning.

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#4875 Post by Chaqa » Sun Mar 06, 2022 4:02 am

So if mafia knew Jamie's cop claim was fake (which makes sense given Maniac's flip), then when they were deliberating their nightkill last night, they probably only had two targets in mind: Eden and Bozo.

Given the Damo kill the previous night, I assume they were trying to dodge the doctor, which makes me think they expected Doctor protection on Eden last night.

With that being the case, and the presumed JOAT shot on TFB, I suspect Eden was the one saved last night.

So JOAT should probably protect Eden tonight, as the Doctor will be unable to?

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#4876 Post by President Eden » Sun Mar 06, 2022 4:04 am

Chaqa wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 4:02 am
So if mafia knew Jamie’s cop claim was fake (which makes sense given Maniac’s flip), then when they were deliberating their nightkill last night, they probably only had two targets in mind: Eden and Bozo.

Given the Damo kill the previous night, I assume they were trying to dodge the doctor, which makes me think they expected Doctor protection on Eden last night.

With that being the case, and the presumed JOAT shot on TFB, I suspect Eden was the one saved last night.

So JOAT should probably protect Eden tonight, as the Doctor will be unable to?
optimistic to think JOAT didn’t use Doc save n1/n2.

I fully anticipate this being my final cycle

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#4877 Post by President Eden » Sun Mar 06, 2022 4:06 am

but yes I think your analysis holds up across the board.

luckily I made clown boy a clear, so you should be in good hands.

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#4878 Post by Chaqa » Sun Mar 06, 2022 4:10 am

President Eden wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 4:04 am
Chaqa wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 4:02 am
So if mafia knew Jamie’s cop claim was fake (which makes sense given Maniac’s flip), then when they were deliberating their nightkill last night, they probably only had two targets in mind: Eden and Bozo.

Given the Damo kill the previous night, I assume they were trying to dodge the doctor, which makes me think they expected Doctor protection on Eden that night.

With that being the case, and the presumed JOAT shot on TFB, I suspect Eden was the one saved last night.

So JOAT should probably protect Eden tonight, as the Doctor will be unable to?
optimistic to think JOAT didn’t use Doc save n1/n2.

I fully anticipate this being my final cycle
corrected for clarity

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#4879 Post by President Eden » Sun Mar 06, 2022 4:12 am

god I cannot get over the fact that we literally uno reverse carded n3

absolutely fantastic work. y’all are playing SO WELL :-D

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#4880 Post by President Eden » Sun Mar 06, 2022 4:15 am

math update:

we have four miskills if Maniac is town and not flipper (fairly high probability at this point IMO). five if he is flipper.

so the goal is still a POE pool of six. meaning that each of my townies need to obvtown and then find six other townies not to kill.

don’t get cocky or lazy or complacent. but don’t shy away from how well you’re doing, either. keep it up

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