MAFIA XXXVIII: INFINITY WAR

[ghug]

Lynching a lurker is especially wise when we're not going to be able to won this with PRs.

Just be careful please. This town has already had enough dumbassery for one day.

[Jamiet99uk]

Frankly while the Vig's shooting has been bad, they still have a useful stone, and I don't think Brainbomb should be trying to out the Vig. Bad form.

[rdrivera2005]

Frankly while the Vig's shooting has been bad, they still have a useful stone, and I don't think Brainbomb should be trying to out the Vig. Bad form.

I don't think Brain is trying to out the Vig, even considering this Vig isn't exactly smart. He is trying to understand why y2k said the Vig shot reinforced his scum read on Bismarck, which doesn't make any sense. Faulty logic isn't always scum indicative, but it's worth pointing.

[brainbomb]

Is that what im trying to do? Do explain how im outing the vig if scum already thinks that player is the vig.

[y2kjbk]

Why doesn't it make sense? It makes sense to me

[Jamiet99uk]

Frankly while the Vig's shooting has been bad, they still have a useful stone, and I don't think Brainbomb should be trying to out the Vig. Bad form.

I don't think Brain is trying to out the Vig, even considering this Vig isn't exactly smart. He is trying to understand why y2k said the Vig shot reinforced his scum read on Bismarck, which doesn't make any sense. Faulty logic isn't always scum indicative, but it's worth pointing.

Well what is his "Jamie consider this" post all about then? How would I know what Y2Jericho is thinking? Why ask me?

[brainbomb]

Right now theres 1 thing scum cares about.

Getting their hands on mind stone.

Theyll take it via lynch or by theif tonight if they think they know who has it.

We already know the dossier of vig, scum probably knows it also. Its a small pool probably, because theres alot of folks it cant be by.poe. vigs our cop and its more powerful than a cop in a way. So to say im recklessly outing who it might be is a false dilemma. Im scrambling to protect who it may be, and if its not bismark, good. Still makes y2k look questionable in action here

[brainbomb]

BismarckAlive
Day-1 40:21
page 21 As usual (I have played two games) the game starts with hangovers from meta gaming, a whole lot of shitposting, and downright speculating by everyone. That is not a criticism - hell, it is to be expected from 23 players, 4 of whom have 19 clear targets, 1 of whom has 22 clear targets, and 18 that have 5 unclear targets.
So working on those 4 that have 19 clear targets, who would they target D1 and why?
Asking that question over and over while covering the thread will yield my next post (I am on teaching break) when I will cast my first (speculative) vote.


BismarckAlive
Day-1 37:32
page 23 ## vote Snowy801

That is my read so far of all the pages so far...

BismarckAlive
Day-1 32:00
page 26 ##vote Snowy801

previous vote did not register for some reason?

What is he saying wrt 4 of whom who have unclear targets.

[brainbomb]

page 77 5.55am in my part of the world now! Thinking about the SK comments, with the count being 18-4 and knowing he can't be NK, SK will at first try to lynch or get town killed. This bias is multiplied by the existence of these stones. So any idea the SK was targeting mafia in EOD1 I dismiss.
So, assuming the SK was targeting Town, I like the idea that SK was not involved in the EOD movements, and that instead it was scum moving in such ways to protect one of their own. That says to me one of the leading wagons was definitely scum

Why would anyone jump all over this as a scum post?

[brainbomb]

I am happy with what I have done so far, and nothing since has changed my opinion so far, so until further review later tonight my time:
##vote Snowy801
All the action end of Day 1 was to save Snowy, so I figure he is my scum suspect Number 1.

BismarckAlive
Day-2 35:25
page 89 Now, with 2 Town dead, the numbers are changing, and I like numbers.
So, 16 Town, 4 Mafia and 1 SK means almost 20% chance of lynching scum is less than last game at D2 (where we got Ninja!). But it is still doable. So, who did Vecna argue against, and vote against? I am going to have dinner now, so will answer that question later my time.

Once again. Nothing scummy here at all. What is the issue?

[y2kjbk]

I generally suspect players as scum who seem to not be following closely but have a heavy opinion to offer about the SK.

[brainbomb]

TLDR

Bismark is very towny in tone
His posts are upbeat. He explains why he has obligations. He reiterates why he scumreads snowy, hes consistent, he doesnt have any agenda. He asks how best 4 action takers can go about using actions, which is potentially a signal he wants to help PR make good choices or spawn that dialogue.

He states we should see who vecna pressured: snowy
He wants to lynch : snowy

Thinks vecna was killed by snowy.

Which like, I would expect a new player to disregard wifom and assume in this way. I think.snowy could be town, but bismark doesnt seem scummy for assuming snowy might be scum. He wants to see snowy flip. Knowing reputations id rather see snow flip than bismark anyway. Snowy hasnt done alot to solve like he used too.

[brainbomb]

I generally suspect players as scum who seem to not be following closely but have a heavy opinion to offer about the SK.

He made 1 post about the sk. Yavuz has dedicated almost 80% of his effort into unearthing the limp dick sk.

[y2kjbk]

Point made and taken ##UNVOTE

[brainbomb]

I was just about to commend you on stickin to your guns...

Dang.

Okay, well how do you feel about HR, bo, yavuz, ND, and Jamie

[y2kjbk]

If you weren't town-clear I'd be more resistant to accepting your rationale obviously.

[brainbomb]

Based on what I read, bozo looks inclined to vote bosox. Since xorx is phased out and rivera was sk

So presumably bo is dying today.

We should have a second wagon thats 1 vote less than bo.
So that way sk can just be our element of hilarious divine chaos. Although at this point im not sure what motive sk has other than waiting til very very deep hoping he can grab all the stones.

[brainbomb]

If you weren't town-clear I'd be more resistant to accepting your rationale obviously.

I dont think my clear status has anything to do with rationale for concern. If snowy is scum bismark is town. Simple

[y2kjbk]

I think my focus is going back to Jamiet, I'm going to reread him imminently. He had started asking the right questions EOD1 and got me to back off but I haven't been impressed since. Of your list of 5 people, I feel best about ND being town. Null on HR, not enough from him to trust a read on him. I'm still suspicious of bo_sox from yesterday but I haven't distilled EOD1 fully yet. I really want to see more from him D2. Yavuz has struck me as townie with everything i've seen from him, but with your comment on how he in fact has been obsessed with SK, I def need to reread him. so i will concentrate on all 5 when I reread.

[brainbomb]

Frankly while the Vig's shooting has been bad, they still have a useful stone, and I don't think Brainbomb should be trying to out the Vig. Bad form.

I don't think Brain is trying to out the Vig, even considering this Vig isn't exactly smart. He is trying to understand why y2k said the Vig shot reinforced his scum read on Bismarck, which doesn't make any sense. Faulty logic isn't always scum indicative, but it's worth pointing.

Well what is his "Jamie consider this" post all about then? How would I know what Y2Jericho is thinking? Why ask me?

It was asking you how youd react in his shoes.

Really simple question. You listed y2k as your 7th best townread. So im not even asking you to assume too much. I was asking you how youd react if a guy you were voting for just suddenly had someone get vig shot right next to you. And your face splattered in his towny blood.

Would you presume
A. The vig thought chippee was scum voting town!bismark?
B. The vig was just random and wasnt even considering bismarks align?
C. The vig was bismark self protecting?
D. The vig thought chippee was bussing


It was very well written, well worded. And well presented. And you still found a silly way to answer that had zero contribution to the over arching talking point.