M73 - Fowl Play - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[President Eden]

maybe we should all make a conscious effort to carefully describe our concerns with other players’ play in a way as plainly divorced from their person as possible. seems like there are a lot of wires getting crossed.

yes it’s hilarious that I’m the one saying this

[DemonRHK]

(To the tune of Word Up - Cameo)

Hey maf players
Around the world
Got a weird case for ya
So tell all the boys and girls

Tell the VTs, the PRs, and the scumbos too
Cause we're 'bout to throw down
And you'll know just what to do

Wave your hands in the air
'Cause the thread won't care
Glide on little content
As they start to try to care

Make a case
Make a case
Make a case quick buddy

Come on townlean tell me
What's the wine
Wine of
Everybody say
When you hear the case
You betta turn an' walk away
Wine up
It's the hedge word
No matter where you say it
You'll know that you're ignored

Now all you sucker PRs
Who think you're fly
There's got to be a reason
And we know the reason why
You try to use those PMs
And act real cool
But ya gotta realize
That you're acting like fools

If they slip up
We can whip 'em
The way to advance
We don't have the time
For psychobabble chicken dance
No chicken dance
No buddy dance
No bromance for me, scumbo

Make a case
Make a case
Make a case quick buddy

Come on townlean tell me
What's the wine
Wine of
Everybody say
When you hear the case
You betta turn an' walk away
XC
Come on all you players say
W-I-N-E of (x5)

[Fluminator]

What did you all do to Sabi? This is why I asked for a game summary

[bozotheclown]

Bona's adventures with a spreadsheet part 3: revenge of the ISO

I was gonna do analysis of interactions that celaph had d1 but then brain did that so I took an L there.

Therefore the spreadsheet is largely useless except for the purposes of calling Sabi, Boat Man, and Eden SIMPs.

In search of a new topic, it has come to my attention that Maniac is scum. Ergo I shall do a full ISO of him.

Immediately I am confronted with the fact that the first 8/9ths of his ISO is wordle.

Do you mean you think Celaph is nice, and you're drawn to them in a warm and fuzzy sense, or that you're drawn to suspect Celaph?

I’m m drawn to them in the sense that if we were on adjacent nests laying eggs we’d be able to put the world to rights and hopeful work out who is thinning our flock.

This post is largely unprompted - celaph doesn't mention maniac until 1 minute before EoD1. Celaph does not respond. Very interesting post, doesn't need much commentary.

Some thoughts

Rdriveria - doing carnival gets him a pass for d1 I suppose
Damo - says he fell for bozo’s ruse and has contributed nothing so far. Hasn’t come under any pressure. I’d happily vote Damo.
Macca - flooded house gets him a D1 pass - hope everything is being sorted Macca.
Pyxxy - one posts that makes them look engaged and then very little follow up. I’d happily vote Pyxis today.
Bozo - unusually quiet. Hasn’t received any pressure. I’d happily vote Bozo today.
Celaph - I won’t vote Celaph today.
Chaqa - would vote for Celaph which makes me want to kill him now. Would more than happily vote Chaqa today.
Jamie - I’d be eggstatic to vote for Jamie today and any other day.
Snowy. Ghug and TFB - if push came to shove I’d vote for one of these.
I’d need a lot of convincing to vote for sabi, demon or Kakarroto.
President Eden is now off my kill list for now. ##unvote Eden

Rest are null.

People have talked about this but I think it'd be worth it to take a real look at it now that maniac is conf!scum. I believe this makes damo and pyxxy look slightly better due to being in the same category of scumread, and snowy/ghug/boat man being in the 'i'd whine if i had to vote them' category makes ghug and boat man look noticeably worse, in my opinion, as this sets up an out for him to vote scummates if/when they're pressured. Obviously, he's not going to put many scum into that category just cause that'd be obvious (and snowy already flipped lol), so I believe that we can say most likely 1, maybe 2, and definitely not neither of ghug and NFT are scum.

I'm going to say it. Macca subbing out is Town alignment indicative. Scum Macca would take the free pass for a couple of days. Town Macca knows they can't help town for a couple of days so wants someone to sub in that can be active.

kind of defending worcej? makes worcej look not as good but really it's not that big of a deal.

I don’t love either lead wagons. Unless a third candidate comes into play then I think ##vote TFB is marginally better than a Kak kill.

More defending of celaph. Makes Boat man look pretty good that maniac pushes him into a 5-3 lead over chaqa, celaph, and kak. maniac only leaves this wagon to save celaph with less than 10 minutes left on the clock.

yeah Maniac looks rly weird.

I don’t see that I’ve been inconsistent at all.

27 mins to go, I have a choice between TFB, Celaph, Chaqa and Kak. I’m town reading Celaph and Chaqa’s only -ve point is he wanted Celaph dead but that’s not really alignment indicative. So I was left choosing TFB over Kak, (who I’d already said I wouldn’t vote for easily). So TFB was best of bad choices.

Few minutes to go the two lead wagons were Celaph and Kak. As I town read Celaph, Kak was the only other choice unless someone got flash wagoned.

blamp looks good for already calling this out. he probably said everything here already. however, i only skim most wallposts unless they're eden's, and i suspect most other people do to. therefore i said it first cause i put tl;drs

@eden - I can’t help you with your puzzle

@Bona - you’re in my town core team; congratulations. But you’re off target with your SIMP analysis. Firstly, where is snowy on your list? Apart from that the only thing we know is the person with the lowest SIMP value (Kak) is town. You’ve then deduced that the person with the second lowest SIMP value, Celaph, must be scum. Think you need to re-look at this.

@Sabi - you’re also I’m my town core, so much so that I’d die on that hill. I recall when I first started playing I toyed with creating a spreadsheet like yours, but I’m lazy so it never happened. I just can’t see scum faking this, and if scum!Sabi is faking this, you deserve to win. I might just sheep you this game.

@celaph voters. - I’ve re-read Celaph and still can’t see anything scummy about them. Y’all wrong.

regarding myself: scum were scared of SIMP analysis <3. their interaction scores regarding me in qt are probably over 10.
regarding sabi: this is just buddying. sabi is most likely town from this.
more defense of celaph

Well that’s disappointing. Just re-read chaqa looking for a reason to vote for him and couldn’t find one. Too tired to iso anyone else.

@Bona - thanks for explanation, but why wasn’t snowy on your list?

not at all sure what the fixation on snowy is about. @scum send me to gt so i can ask him

##vote TFB

more evidence the NFT man is town

Mmmm so people think I killed the TFB wagon, so they are voting for me over TFB…

I didn’t kill the TFB wagon. When I first voted for them, I put them in the lead. 3 minutes to go they were in third place so I had to pick between the top two wagons and choose Kak. There is nothing suspicious there.

Quiz has finished. We came 2nd, but I’m staying in pub so not really engaged.

If I die, kill TFB, Jamie and Pyxxy

Rdriveria, Chaqa, Bona, Ghug look good.

this is posted after a 2 hour dip from d2, and right before EoD. He was aware enough of the vote count despite being 'not really engaged' to post end of day reads. he puts the NFT man (already likely town), jamie (town), and the pyx as scum. i think he might have put a scum in there, which makes the pxy look worse? not willing to go far out on that. As for list 2, I think he definitely puts a scum in there. I believe that is most likely to be ghuginator, in line with the rest of the stuff so far.

I think celaph hedged on maniac to justify why the maniac wagon was scum driven for when maniac flips town.

Good to see you have supreme confidence in me flipping town. You wouldn’t have any inside knowledge would you?

Brain looks good from this. Maniac is confrontational in a way that he isn't with other people.

there were other semi-interesting posts but these were the really salient ones that conformed to what i already thought so that's what i put

tl;dr:
1 (most likely) or 2 of ghuginator and NFT are scum. NFT looks very good so ghuginator is most likely a scumbo.
blamp is a cool dude
sabi is most likely town
the pyx is looking significantly worse.
brain good

How sure are you that Maniac is mafia?

[bozotheclown]

What did you all do to Sabi? This is why I asked for a game summary

Did you read ghug's posts?

[President Eden]

anyway Flum, just let me know if you actually want to take a swing at it. i’m still like almost positive you subbed into mafia spot but i think you’re a fucking champ for subbing into a 200 pg game and will give you some time to play if you want it. but like if this is too much to bother with we can see you out as well too.

if we’re believing Jamie’s claim then I have a fairly large pool of people I don’t want to kill.

- Sabi
- Bona
- bozo
- brain
- Lamp
- Chaqa
- Demon
- Jamie
- pyxxy

my POE pool is as follows.

- flum
- maniac
- worcej
- rivera
- beetlejuice

please note that this is a present state of the game, and while I think it’s pretty well zeroed in, new evidence can come to light, or old evidence can be analyzed well, which may change these results.

you can obviously discuss things however you like but I think we have a lot of info and can start putting everything together. if people have questions I’ll try to answer them to the best of my ability.

[President Eden]

finally Greg Oden graces the thread with his presence

[President Eden]

hi Wintogreen

[President Eden]

What did you all do to Sabi? This is why I asked for a game summary

tl;dr
- we almost ran your boy celaph up d1 but mafia saved him by blatantly bowling over kak (rest in peace brother i never doubted u)
- we ran your boy celaph up d2
- your predecessor bled scum all of n2
- jamie allegedly scanned maniac, but i believe it
- i was actually hoping you’d tell us who your other teammate is

[DemonRHK]

maybe we should all make a conscious effort to carefully describe our concerns with other players’ play in a way as plainly divorced from their person as possible. seems like there are a lot of wires getting crossed.

yes it’s hilarious that I’m the one saying this

Listen, I'm a humble neckbeard.
I don't have a degree.
I don't speak legalese.
I am not an artist of Shakespearean prose.

If I have to start formatting case in the vein of

"The party in question, henceforth known as Effectee A, has violated the truth and committed perjury within this count of public opinion and shall forthwith be called upon to explain themselves without abuse of the truth or I shall be forced to reccomend Effectee A be rejected from the mortal coil immediately forthwith."

In a social deduction game based on lying, arguing, and convincing...yea.

[Chaqa]

The party in question, known colloquially as “Eden,” “President Eden,” or sometimes “That bitch,” is furthermore and definitively town.

[President Eden]

maybe we should all make a conscious effort to carefully describe our concerns with other players’ play in a way as plainly divorced from their person as possible. seems like there are a lot of wires getting crossed.

yes it’s hilarious that I’m the one saying this

Listen, I’m a humble neckbeard.
I don’t have a degree.
I don’t speak legalese.
I am not an artist of Shakespearean prose.

If I have to start formatting case in the vein of

“The party in question, henceforth known as Effectee A, has violated the truth and committed perjury within this count of public opinion and shall forthwith be called upon to explain themselves without abuse of the truth or I shall be forced to reccomend Effectee A be rejected from the mortal coil immediately forthwith.”

In a social deduction game based on lying, arguing, and convincing…yea.

not like that… tbh this is probably a postgame discussion anyway.

just, attack the idea not the person is what I mean

[President Eden]

The party in question, known colloquially as “Eden,” “President Eden,” or sometimes “That bitch,” is furthermore and definitively town.

you’re goddamn right.

wait

[DemonRHK]

Man, I haven't (to my knowledge) leveled a single personal insult NOR have I strted using 'fuck' like a comma.

Like, I havben't activated Super Krellin. This ain't even KaioKrellin x10.

Base KaioKrellin at best.

[DemonRHK]

Welp.

*Crickets*

I'mma head out.

[Bonatogether]

tl;dr:
1 (most likely) or 2 of ghuginator and NFT are scum. NFT looks very good so ghuginator is most likely a scumbo.
blamp is a cool dude
sabi is most likely town
the pyx is looking significantly worse.
brain good

How sure are you that Maniac is mafia?

bozo do a reread

[President Eden]

##END

y’all don’t have to follow, and in fact we need to be sure to give Maniac time to speak. and indeed if we all decide to let the phase run and take a breather that’s cool too.

but if we have some general idea of where our next few kills are going then it’s paramount that we don’t let the game fall into that dreaded midgame lull where people get lazy and let mafia snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.

[rdrivera2005]

A really unexpected NK. Have someone with more time and less lazy then me looked at Damo's posts for any PR hints?

I am not completely sold on Maniac being scum, but if the day would be just pilling on him maybe ending is the right move.

[bozotheclown]

Ok guys, hear me out: today was scum v scum v scum.

Maybe ghug was right. For some reason a celaph/TFB/Maniac/BesharamSabi scum team seems plausible.

[rdrivera2005]

Ok guys, hear me out: today was scum v scum v scum.

Maybe ghug was right. For some reason a celaph/TFB/Maniac/BesharamSabi scum team seems plausible.

I don't think Sabi is scum for his general play and for the reasons Eden presented.

Both Maniac and TFB being scum means all votes are on three scum wagons yesterday close to EOD. I don't remember something like this in a regular day.