M73 - Fowl Play - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[Jamiet99uk]

##CALL GM

Is Ghug being replaced?

[Bonatogether]

[case]

love this post

hate that like 5 people will quote the entire thing to nitpick 1 line

do you love the post in terms of agreeing with all the logic? that's surprising to me, normally you're the first to pick apart flawed stuff, and i don't think that case holds up at all.

I don't see any glaring issues. If you've posted any rebuttals I haven't read them too closely as I've largely skimmed today

[damo666]

I respect dargo

[BusinessLamp]

love this post

hate that like 5 people will quote the entire thing to nitpick 1 line

do you love the post in terms of agreeing with all the logic? that's surprising to me, normally you're the first to pick apart flawed stuff, and i don't think that case holds up at all.

I don't see any glaring issues. If you've posted any rebuttals I haven't read them too closely as I've largely skimmed today

responded in depth on page 186

[Bonatogether]

blamp.
Do not panic
your safety is not in peril from sabi. no one actually reads sabi posts or follows their lines of attack.

[damo666]

##CALL GM

Is Ghug being replaced?

You don't know whether ghug has requested replacement. Assume the GM will do his job

[Jamiet99uk]

I respect dargo

So do I but why did you mention him exactly?

[Jamiet99uk]

##CALL GM

Is Ghug being replaced?

You don't know whether ghug has requested replacement. Assume the GM will do his job

Ghug says he did and hasn't posted since.

[Jamiet99uk]

Also Damo one of the GMs is female so check yourself on the use of "he".

[President Eden]

##CALL GM

Is Ghug being replaced?

You don't know whether ghug has requested replacement. Assume the GM will do his job

Ghug says he did and hasn't posted since.

I agree with damo… give it some time here. we’ll know soon enough. let’s not pressure the GM to disclose something that maybe he shouldn’t. (not that I think you were intentionally doing this, but nonetheless)

[TheFlyingBoat]

My EoN 2 reads in case I die

BesharamSabi: Town

As far as I can tell they're trying their best to solve even if they have drifted back in a lot of way to either saying "this is weird" or something to that effect or now sometimes failing to really provide the internal links that make a strong case. That all being said I don't think Sabi plays like this as scum.

Bonatogether: Town

The SIMP spreadsheet was hilarious and was a strong independent source for scum!celaph read. Has engaged with the thread well outside of his celaph read and pushed Sabi and encouraged others to reconsider giving them as much town cred as we have which seems like a reasonable thing for town!bona to do.

bozotheclown: Conditional town

I think their play is straight up pretty scummy if I am being honest. town!bozo seems like he would put in significantly more effort here in terms of reading the game, referencing history, and doing some actually good complex analysis. He's made some more serious posts during N2 as he makes some attempt to read and solve the game, but the real analysis to back it up you would expect from them is sorely lacking. That being said Eden cleared him so I trust him for now. So long as Celaph isn't the flipper, which I severely doubt, I think that bozo is basically town cleared.

brainbomb: Town core

He asked me what it would take for me to town core him either yesterday or the day before and he just did it. His posts over the course of last night showed deep thought and consideration of the game and I found his overall narrative for the game has gone to be compelling. I do find his defense of Maniac odd, but honestly it boosts his town cred in my view for the arguments he employed to justify it. I'll explain my argument for why I disagree with him in a bit on Maniac in a separate post to avoid clogging this one up, but yeah.

BusinessLamp: Slight town

Blamp is one of the hardest players in the game for me to reconcile. I like his vote a lot for Celaph at the end. I like his thoughts on Maniac. I like a lot of his posts in general. But there's some weird thing nagging me in the back of my head that just doesn't sit right with me when I think about him and I find it impossible to put a finger on. It almost felt like he was soft bussing Celaph. Almost as if while voting for him he was always genuinely trying to find a way to clear celaph, but I think that's the paranoia that dooms webDip towns talking, so I'll push that aside for now. I generally like what I see overall, so I'd be disinclined to see Blamp go anytime soon.

Chaqa: Town

I really didn't like our early interactions but I think since then I've been quite happy with Chaqa's explanations and his reads and his attempts to the solve the game. I think he comes out looking really good from his push on Celaph. I think his push on Maniac is the correct one. I think his read on Blamp is sensible even though I don't fully agree. I think he backed off his push on Sabi as well when he realize Sabi and I were linked not them and Celaph. Also scum leans ghug. I think the desire to create discussion with the shift to Maniac before coming back to Celaph with a proper amount of time to spare also looks really good. All around really good D2 imo.

damo666: Slight town

I feel like Damo is normally more memorable than this, but I think thinking about his progressions post ISO is enough to be mostly comfortable with him. I think it was overly reactive to have me in his tier 4, but outright declaring at night that following the celaph kill his new kill list was "1) Maniac
2) Sabi/ghug/rdr/Jamie [that order]" without any bad math in the way suggests to me that he is thinking about this game earnestly and in a townie way and doesn't feel the need to create fake reads.


DemonRHK: Town

Even though he has an activity problem in my view, when he does post, I thought his posts have been generally excellent this game and has left me impressed. I think his analysis of what EoD1 meant makes sense and his analysis of Maniac and his prediction of D3 wars suggest good town insights. I am a little confused by when he suggested Maniac needed to be scanned and flipped (surely he only needs one to be done?). Also good read on ghug.

ghug: Scumpool

I have been mildly wary of ghug given that I expected to do a lot more for town. I've mentioned this in other games, thought kept quiet about it this one to watch, and probably would have waited one more day to say something if not for this sub kerfuffle, but ghug is certainly a player likely to go open wolfing as scum. I called him being scum in the god thread because of the way he generated miskills along with damo (due to his blatant scum slip), though I admittedly missed hard on DL8, but I digress.

The important part of this is that ghug's game there reminded me a lot of his game here with the biggest difference that it hasn't worked as well with a more competent town. D1 he seemed to subtly protect Celaph while pushing me, RHK, and Kak. D2 he aggressively pushes me to try and save celaph.

I don't think the desire to sub or his emotional reaction are scummy though. I think this drama has been hashed out multiple times here on the forum and on discord before the game started so I don't think this is some manufactured issue. I think both of y'all need to calm down and find a way not to provoke each other to keep D3 useful if the sub doesn't happen.

Jamiet99uk: Null

I think his evolution on reads like Chaqa bought town cred with me. His EOD1 looked acceptable as well even though he chose the wrong side without much explanation, it seems like he did it to break the tie and had a decently explained read on Chaqa. Over the course of D2 though his play becomes weirder. It is odd and notable he never voted for celaph at any post that day. It is also odd that his comments on celaph and speculation as to his role is really limited to one post commenting that he viewed celaph as collected and likely town. Outside of that most discussion of celaph is limited to his links to Maniac despite him basically being the biggest wagon most of the day. Hard to parse. I lean town on vibes, scum on actions.

Maniac: Scumpool

Already hashed out a billion times

President Eden: Town core

Already hashed out

pyxxy: Scumpool

The attempt to save celaph either by tying or last minute getting me killed strikes me as highly suspicious now that we know Celaph is the god father. Perhaps he got cold feet on the bus when he realized there was a chance to save the godfather and as a new forum mafia player didn't understand the follow on effects of that decision? Regardless, that vote looks highly suspect. Celaph's strong defense of him could point to a pocket attempt of a newbie or an effort to save scum. Normally I would lean the former, but part of me thinks the latter under the hope of being able to coach him as pyxxy is clearly a smart new player.

His other posts and hunting strike me as smart new town as well. I would say this is my weakest scum read despite that vote behavior being pretty scummy

rdrivera2005: Scumpool

Post-carnival I'd expect a much higher quality of analysis from RDR. I found his posts lazy, ad hoc, and illogical. Felt like he didn't care really if he were right or wrong and was just going through the motions in an attempt to survive rather than contribute.

worcej: Scumpool

I feel like this is scum trying to setup a miskill on me again. Worcej in his mentions of me during D2 seems to heavily imply that he was looking at late unexplained shifters onto to Kak as the primary source of scum targets if celaph flipped scum. He says these are the people he wants to look at. He also indicated earlier in that post he found my votes easily explainable.

Maniac moves to Kak
Celaph moves to Kak - self-saving IMHO
Chaqa moves to Celaph - once again tying the vote...
Bozo moves to Kak
Blamp moves to Kak
Jamie moves to Kak

However, now in the night where we have celaph as known scum we have blamp sailing high without much explanation, me at the bottom with Jamie and Sabi which makes no sense given his prior explanations. To me it seems like he's just lazily aggregating reads by others and tossing them together into a mix without much thought at all and calling a day and hoping no one notices.

[Bonatogether]

i dont like this game

too much arguing

[Jamiet99uk]

Scumreads: Maniac, Sabi, and someone out of Worcej, Bona, Damo.

Possibly also the Ghug slot.

My N1 scan was Maniac, who is guilty. Didn't expect Eden to cover for me quite that well.

If I die, kill every living thing on the surface of the Earth.

[damo666]

Also Damo one of the GMs is female so check yourself on the use of "he".

I was obviously referring to Bob. Stop trying to wind things up.

[Bonatogether]

scum would never kill me

they're too smoothbrained

[Chaqa]

Here are two numbered lists of players:

list Number 1:
1. Jamiet99uk
2. DemonRHK
3. ghug
4. wjessop
5. TheFlyingBoat
6. Bonatogether
7. President Eden
8. pyxxy
9. wjessop
10. Chaqa

list Number 2:
1. damo666
2. wjessop
3. BesharamSabi
4. brainbomb
5. worcej
6. Maniac
7. Bozotheclown
8. BusinessLamp
9. wjessop
10. rdrivera2005

Read into them as you will.

Back to work

[BobMcBob]

NIGHT HAS ENDED, PLEASE HOLD

[Jamiet99uk]

Here are two numbered lists of players:

list Number 1:
1. Jamiet99uk
2. DemonRHK
3. ghug
4. wjessop
5. TheFlyingBoat
6. Bonatogether
7. President Eden
8. pyxxy
9. wjessop
10. Chaqa

list Number 2:
1. damo666
2. wjessop
3. BesharamSabi
4. brainbomb
5. worcej
6. Maniac
7. Bozotheclown
8. BusinessLamp
9. wjessop
10. rdrivera2005

Read into them as you will.

Back to work

I don't agree with your Wjessop read.

[damo666]

Scumreads: Maniac, Sabi, and someone out of Worcej, Bona, Damo.

Possibly also the Ghug slot.

My N1 scan was Maniac, who is guilty. Didn't expect Eden to cover for me quite that well.

If I die, kill every living thing on the surface of the Earth.

Jamie P

[BobMcBob]

When the chickens woke up again, they were tired, hungry, and one of them was an anvil. The problem with anvils is that you can't eat them. And also it's impossible to tell what on earth that pulp underneath originally was.

DAMO HAS DIED

DAY HAS BEGUN, YOU MAY NOW POST