M73 - Fowl Play - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[brainbomb]

Is anyone reading my posts? I wouldnt mind feedback and opinions. I think ive established at a minimum that celaph was godfather and tfb isnt scum.

some of my other thoughts are maybe more intuitive than factual

Neither of those are FACTS

I mean you can disregard everything im thinking thats fine. If we cant agree on those basic ideas im certainly going to keep trying to illustrate it because we dont have unlimited swaths of time to trifle over it. TFB is independently towny in his posts.

[rdrivera2005]

I'm bothered by how many people coasted into today on reads. I think that Damo, Chaqa, and TFB all came into today with the idea to get me out without much of a contest which feels suspicious. I'm not convinced on people's townread of Chaqa, but definitely TFB is scummy and I think that Damo is worth a look.

this is right before flipping

none of these people are scum with celaph imo

Just for the record I really like the effort you are doing on all this.

This said, I don't like this conclusion. Celaph knows he is dead, so why not include a partner on this reads, specially one that is bussing him hard.
I would not rule any of this three out of the scumpool (maybe not targets for tomorrow, but won't give them such a pass).

Also, any experienced players saying Maniac is lock scum is giving me pause. How many times you saw scum openly defend another scum this way? And how many times you saw town to that. I am sure I see more the later. I am not saying Maniac is core town, but locking him as scum os something I can understand Sabi doing but not Demon for example.

[Jamiet99uk]

Is anyone reading my posts? I wouldnt mind feedback and opinions. I think ive established at a minimum that celaph was godfather and tfb isnt scum.

some of my other thoughts are maybe more intuitive than factual

Neither of those are FACTS

I mean you can disregard everything im thinking thats fine. If we cant agree on those basic ideas im certainly going to keep trying to illustrate it because we dont have unlimited swaths of time to trifle over it. TFB is independently towny in his posts.

Is there a possible world in which Flipper Celaph chooses Godfather to make us think the Godfather is dead, thus making us wrongly townclear the actual Godfather?

[rdrivera2005]

Woops I forgot to finish my thoughts.

What I'm asking is, if Celaph only listed town as his last post, can we figure out if we think he wrote those names feeling 100% certain that he was going to die and that he wouldn't have to explain the names?

And if so, is scum!Celaph the type of scum player who would list all town here, or try to sneak in 1 scum, especially if the plan was for that scum to be bussing him?

Exactly what I am thinking. If someone was hard bussing him, includinghim is the logic thing to do.

[brainbomb]

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?us ... blamp&g=73

celaph listing the blamp stances on maniac as his best reasons for townreading blamp comes at the same time celaph is saying maniac will flip town. You wouldnt talk about your scum bro and set them up for egg faced culpability on their first outing as scum. celaph knows that if maniac flips town then blamp looks bad and this read can be changed on a dime with ease of explanation

I told you so but you didnt listen
now my townread on you can fade away

[damo666]

Woops I forgot to finish my thoughts.

What I'm asking is, if Celaph only listed town as his last post, can we figure out if we think he wrote those names feeling 100% certain that he was going to die and that he wouldn't have to explain the names?

And if so, is scum!Celaph the type of scum player who would list all town here, or try to sneak in 1 scum, especially if the plan was for that scum to be bussing him?

I think celaph would list either one teammate or none. It is very possible there were no bussers on celaph.

[brainbomb]

Neither of those are FACTS

I mean you can disregard everything im thinking thats fine. If we cant agree on those basic ideas im certainly going to keep trying to illustrate it because we dont have unlimited swaths of time to trifle over it. TFB is independently towny in his posts.

Is there a possible world in which Flipper Celaph chooses Godfather to make us think the Godfather is dead, thus making us wrongly townclear the actual Godfather?

yes and I dont think that is the case. the relief of seeing his role seems more likely to be godfather play when coupled to his d1 low posting and carefree attitude

[Jamiet99uk]

I mean you can disregard everything im thinking thats fine. If we cant agree on those basic ideas im certainly going to keep trying to illustrate it because we dont have unlimited swaths of time to trifle over it. TFB is independently towny in his posts.

Is there a possible world in which Flipper Celaph chooses Godfather to make us think the Godfather is dead, thus making us wrongly townclear the actual Godfather?

yes and I dont think that is the case. the relief of seeing his role seems more likely to be godfather play when coupled to his d1 low posting and carefree attitude

Relief?

[brainbomb]

if there is a hard busser its chaqa. celaph spent the most time in omgus vs chaqa

[brainbomb]

Is there a possible world in which Flipper Celaph chooses Godfather to make us think the Godfather is dead, thus making us wrongly townclear the actual Godfather?

yes and I dont think that is the case. the relief of seeing his role seems more likely to be godfather play when coupled to his d1 low posting and carefree attitude

Relief?

in his opening post celaph openly conveys a sense of relief at seeing his role pm.

[brainbomb]

its not critical to anything to wanna go off into dreamland and think celaph was flipper. but I dont think that same sincerity and behavior would occur with celaph if hes some brand new scum role that has alot of choices and strategies to consider. I will concede this point however if its that objectionable

[Jamiet99uk]

yes and I dont think that is the case. the relief of seeing his role seems more likely to be godfather play when coupled to his d1 low posting and carefree attitude

Relief?

in his opening post celaph openly conveys a sense of relief at seeing his role pm.

Celaph's opening post said "Howdy!".

[brainbomb]

Relief?

in his opening post celaph openly conveys a sense of relief at seeing his role pm.

Celaph's opening post said "Howdy!".

okay lets just move on so we avoid making you have to read to the point where celaph talks about his role with sabi

[brainbomb]

fine. wasnt his opening post. not important and its just celaph being random and hes the flipper then. cool. lets just say that hes the flipper instead

[brainbomb]

if we wanna be sure to stimulate an environment where the cop scans are irrelevant as possible then lets use WCS thinking. Im fine with that.

[brainbomb]

Neither of those are FACTS

I mean you can disregard everything im thinking thats fine. If we cant agree on those basic ideas im certainly going to keep trying to illustrate it because we dont have unlimited swaths of time to trifle over it. TFB is independently towny in his posts.

Is there a possible world in which Flipper Celaph chooses Godfather to make us think the Godfather is dead, thus making us wrongly townclear the actual Godfather?

yep.
lets just go with that and live in the theoretical based on the setup rather than make inferences based on actual content and behavior.

[damo666]

Neither of those are FACTS

I mean you can disregard everything im thinking thats fine. If we cant agree on those basic ideas im certainly going to keep trying to illustrate it because we dont have unlimited swaths of time to trifle over it. TFB is independently towny in his posts.

Is there a possible world in which Flipper Celaph chooses Godfather to make us think the Godfather is dead, thus making us wrongly townclear the actual Godfather?

Or celaph was flipper and the GF remains hidden.

[Jamiet99uk]

fine. wasnt his opening post. not important and its just celaph being random and hes the flipper then. cool. lets just say that hes the flipper instead

It's the less likely of two scenarios (the more likely being, yeah he was actually GF) I just don't want to totally forget about this possibility later.

If Bozo is one of the last 4 people alive, for example, this issue should be brought back to the table.

Happy to move on for now.

I wish I had time to properly catch up but I won't for a while.

[Jamiet99uk]

I mean you can disregard everything im thinking thats fine. If we cant agree on those basic ideas im certainly going to keep trying to illustrate it because we dont have unlimited swaths of time to trifle over it. TFB is independently towny in his posts.

Is there a possible world in which Flipper Celaph chooses Godfather to make us think the Godfather is dead, thus making us wrongly townclear the actual Godfather?

Or celaph was flipper and the GF remains hidden.

What do you mean "OR"? You literally just repeated what I said.

[brainbomb]

fine. wasnt his opening post. not important and its just celaph being random and hes the flipper then. cool. lets just say that hes the flipper instead

It's the less likely of two scenarios (the more likely being, yeah he was actually GF) I just don't want to totally forget about this possibility later.

If Bozo is one of the last 4 people alive, for example, this issue should be brought back to the table.

Happy to move on for now.

I wish I had time to properly catch up but I won't for a while.

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