M73 - Fowl Play - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[ghug]

rdrivera is very hard to use the bot on because almost nobody uses his full username so you have to guess what they used

You can use |

Great town energy from brain right now.

im bewildered you dont find my research exhausting and thread clogging

Honestly I've agreed with a good chunk of it, but mostly I think it's just very towny that you're doing it.

Ask me in a day though, maybe I'll be tired of it then

[brainbomb]

Overall heres my grades so far of how celaph spoke to and was spoken of by these folks

TFB A-
Worcej B
Ghug B+
Damo C
Jamiet99uk D
DemonRHK A
bontogether A
rdrivera (inconclusive)
Maniac B+
Chaqa A-

[ghug]

You can use |

Great town energy from brain right now.

im bewildered you dont find my research exhausting and thread clogging

he shook and tryna win friends and influence ppl

Yes I'm so scared of the guy that can't keep his role to himself.

[brainbomb]

You can use |

Great town energy from brain right now.

im bewildered you dont find my research exhausting and thread clogging

Honestly I've agreed with a good chunk of it, but mostly I think it's just very towny that you're doing it.

Ask me in a day though, maybe I'll be tired of it then

we may not be alive much longer. just saying. especially if im actually getting anything right here

[ghug]

if ghug wants to win me over as a friend all he needs to do is talk about the juicy fruit

Makes me feel like a man, man.

[brainbomb]

im bewildered you dont find my research exhausting and thread clogging

he shook and tryna win friends and influence ppl

Yes I'm so scared of the guy that can't keep his role to himself.

Yea its a disease of my mind honestly. I cant stand witholding information from the town

[ghug]

I have to wake up in four hours but I need to reread since I won't have time later. I made it to damo iso. Only 9 more to go after this :blobcatsalute:

I need to wake up in 10 hours and I'm too fucking exhausted to read anything. Don't know how y'all do it.

[ghug]

im bewildered you dont find my research exhausting and thread clogging

Honestly I've agreed with a good chunk of it, but mostly I think it's just very towny that you're doing it.

Ask me in a day though, maybe I'll be tired of it then

we may not be alive much longer. just saying. especially if im actually getting anything right here

Something tells me working so hard to save their godfather has bought me a night of the mafia ignoring me.

[ghug]

he shook and tryna win friends and influence ppl

Yes I'm so scared of the guy that can't keep his role to himself.

Yea its a disease of my mind honestly. I cant stand witholding information from the town

Lmao I meant Eden

[brainbomb]

Celaph mentions of pyxxy
http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?us ... pyxxy&g=73

summed up as a very hard defense of pyxxy encompassing dismissal of my case as well as putting pyxxy in towncore with little hesitation

on the surface this is a pretty odd one to read. it mirrors how cel talks about jamie and causes me to think that cel wouldnt use the same defenses for both scum partners here so maybe this actually gives pyxxy a better grade in spite of the tie vote attempt

C-

[pyxxy]

Celaph mentions of pyxxy
http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?us ... pyxxy&g=73

summed up as a very hard defense of pyxxy encompassing dismissal of my case as well as putting pyxxy in towncore with little hesitation

on the surface this is a pretty odd one to read. it mirrors how cel talks about jamie and causes me to think that cel wouldnt use the same defenses for both scum partners here so maybe this actually gives pyxxy a better grade in spite of the tie vote attempt

C-

C's get degrees

[brainbomb]

Celaph mentions of pyxxy
http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?us ... pyxxy&g=73

summed up as a very hard defense of pyxxy encompassing dismissal of my case as well as putting pyxxy in towncore with little hesitation

on the surface this is a pretty odd one to read. it mirrors how cel talks about jamie and causes me to think that cel wouldnt use the same defenses for both scum partners here so maybe this actually gives pyxxy a better grade in spite of the tie vote attempt

C-

C's get degrees

Amen

[brainbomb]

will begin my day 1 rereads now
some people want to claim the game is easier now and the net is smaller
the net is larger now because we have variables to consider

Here are the four easiest scenarios

A. tfb and maniac are both town and celaph was bussed day 2
B. both tfb and maniac are also scum
C. one of tfb and maniac is scum but not both
D. tfb and maniac are both town and celaph was not bussed day 2 until late

A and D seem more likely than B and C now

[BesharamSabi]

I have to wake up in four hours but I need to reread since I won't have time later. I made it to damo iso. Only 9 more to go after this :blobcatsalute:

I need to wake up in 10 hours and I'm too fucking exhausted to read anything. Don't know how y'all do it.

Vyvanse

[ghug]

I have to wake up in four hours but I need to reread since I won't have time later. I made it to damo iso. Only 9 more to go after this :blobcatsalute:

I need to wake up in 10 hours and I'm too fucking exhausted to read anything. Don't know how y'all do it.

Vyvanse

I realized sometime in college that nothing works as well as eight hours of sleep.

[ghug]

will begin my day 1 rereads now
some people want to claim the game is easier now and the net is smaller
the net is larger now because we have variables to consider

Here are the four easiest scenarios

A. tfb and maniac are both town and celaph was bussed day 2
B. both tfb and maniac are also scum
C. one of tfb and maniac is scum but not both
D. tfb and maniac are both town and celaph was not bussed day 2 until late

A and D seem more likely than B and C now

I still like B

[brainbomb]

I know you do but you gotta view it from celaphs pov and youll see hes hedging maniac will flip town which looks like an I told you so

[brainbomb]

maybe too subtle and too simple but cel wants ppl to look bad when maniac flips town there

[BesharamSabi]

I have to wake up in four hours but I need to reread since I won't have time later. I made it to damo iso. Only 9 more to go after this :blobcatsalute:

I need to wake up in 10 hours and I'm too fucking exhausted to read anything. Don't know how y'all do it.

Vyvanse

[pyxxy]

is anyone irritated by what im doing and wants me to cease because its flooding the thread with links to things anyone could just go look up on their own?

I'm learning a lot just watching how you investigate. Please keep going. And like Eden mentioned I had no idea about the mentions bot trick, which I'm using to look at blamp talking about celaph rn

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?us ... elaph&g=73

I went somewhere with this. Allow me to do an offensively poor imitation of brainbomb

TLDR: I think blamp was trying to push town!Celaph during D2 to cover for him but once blamp thought Celaph was a goner, he switched to bussing Celaph.

These two posts from blamp which feel weird to me:

If you think celaph is town, do you agree that makes Maniac sus af?

anyway as more people start to town-lean celaph i encourage everyone to look at the fact that that makes Maniac look rly rly sus.

There's 28 minutes between these posts during which page 143/144 are posted:
http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g= ... d=w:292500

No one mentions moving towards town!Celaph during that time period. So it's very weird to keep trying to push that argument.

Keep in mind the votes were "6 The 4 cel 3 dam 2 Jam" when blamp wrote these posts, TFB had been tied or leading the votes since ~5 hours before these posts, so I think it would be reasonable to assume that at this point in D2, blamp didn't think Celaph would be DK'd, thus there's no risk to blamp pushing town!Celaph since he doubts that Celaph would flip and that he (blamp) would have to explain himself.

This makes even more sense now that we know Celaph was GF, because then blamp also knows that any Cop scans of Celaph will be clean, so there's no risk of the cop/JOAT revealing that Celaph is scum and then following that thread to realize that blamp was covering for Celaph here during D2.

If anything, a clean scan of Celaph makes blamp look very, very smart.

Of course, once it seems more likely that Maniac isn't going to die...

##vote celaph

leggooooo

he was on maniac?

Why did you move to celaph? I thought you townread him.

all part of the plan

anyway yea the whole day i was thinking that unless the maniac wagon picked up steam i'd move to celaph. even then i think i wouldve. idk. i never really was that confident in my townread of him i just pushed other stuff to try and make the day have more content (without deliberately announcing that was the goal like others lol).

blamp changes to vote from Maniac for Celaph at D2 00:06 and then quickly explains why once N2 begins.

In all fairness, I don't have a good explanation for why he wouldn't just switch to TFB when both TFB and Celaph were on 6 votes?

Except it's totally possible that blamp doesn't know that it's 6-6-5 when he changes to vote from Maniac for Celaph at D2 00:06, and instead thinks that Chaqa switching from Maniac to Celaph has made Celaph's death a forgone conclusion at 7 or 8 votes, which suggests that blamp is bussing Celaph here late in D2.

blamp then provides the explanation of "I just wanted Maniac as another wagon to debate instead of a day of just voting Celaph", which sounds reasonable in the abstract. But if you look at all his D2 posts that mention Maniac, this is the only one with any substantive argument for why he's voting for Maniac.

I've included the bot link too so that y'all can double check me.
http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?us ... rt=Day%202

the maniac stance is mainly based on thinking his townread on celaph is weird and artificial, and to this point he has had varying levels of justification for it. it reads as some sort of ploy, and the reason i've felt like he's a potentially better vote today is because if maniac flips scum then i think it would be prudent for us to reconsider what that means for celaph's alignment

The context for this is here in N1:

i feel like a scenario that feels likely to me is that maniac is scum, picked town member celaph to randomly white knight for, and can't keep track of his justifications for it. that's why i think maniac before celaph. because like. Maniac!scum and celaph!town makes sense, as well as Maniac!scum and celaph!scum. maniac seems sus either way

blamp has already been laying the groundwork for clearing Celaph since N1, ever since we almost DK'd Celaph on D1.

But blamp waited 40 out of the 48 hours of D2 before continuing to make a real argument for why Maniac is sus. And when he finally did...the true goal is still that it's a way to clear Celaph.

Like brainbomb wrote:

maybe too subtle and too simple but cel wants ppl to look bad when maniac flips town there

I think blamp was also working towards this goal flipping town!Maniac in order to take the heat off Celaph. Fin.