M73 - Fowl Play - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[bozotheclown]

Kills happen for a reason
and a ghug-jamie maf team always kills snowy there always because they know that snowy can eventually take over a thread and summon a throng of followers. Snowy always gets it right eventually and ghug would want to get rid or snowy to stay ahead of inevitables

I'm the last person who left snowy alive. You cannot paint snowy's death as implicating me more than anyone else.

Are you talking about M71, where you NKed him N2?

[ghug]

do you believe chaqa is scum ghugert

on a ctrl f of you it doesn't seem like you've elaborated on this much

I spent a while voting for him earlier in the day, if you'll recall.

[President Eden]

while I do like giving dead players who played well their due, I don’t think the snowy kill is severely incriminating on anybody based on his reads.

for me the BTF/celaph question just came down to thinking celaph looked townier once pressure was applied. I could be misreading BTF here but I feel he is much more concerned with image than celaph is with a lot of their respective arguments. can’t pull up specific arguments in time so suffer my naked assertions. once celaph got twisted into doing things he looked more concerned with figuring out what’s going on holistically, whereas BTF’s engagement is much more focused on reads of the moment based on flash points and upon defusing theories that implicate him.

and there’s nothing WRONG with the latter if you’re town because you should know theories implicating you are wrong and should seek to defuse them. but I get more of a mafia vibe from the way BTF does it because it’s more concerned with negating the individual argument and not with providing a big picture counternarrative which implicates actual mafia. it’s the difference between the guy who just vetoes everything because it has flaws and the guy presenting an alternative worldview which has certain advantages in explaining current phenomena.

all of THAT said, ultimately I struggle to think both are town, so if BTF lives here and celaph dies that’s not that big a deal IMO. but that’s why I ultimately ended up favoring a BTF kill over celaph

[BusinessLamp]

do you believe chaqa is scum ghugert

on a ctrl f of you it doesn't seem like you've elaborated on this much

I spent a while voting for him earlier in the day, if you'll recall.

a lovely 16 minutes

[President Eden]

do you believe chaqa is scum ghugert

on a ctrl f of you it doesn't seem like you've elaborated on this much

I spent a while voting for him earlier in the day, if you'll recall.

a lovely 16 minutes

fuck yea get his ass

[ghug]

Kills happen for a reason
and a ghug-jamie maf team always kills snowy there always because they know that snowy can eventually take over a thread and summon a throng of followers. Snowy always gets it right eventually and ghug would want to get rid or snowy to stay ahead of inevitables

I'm the last person who left snowy alive. You cannot paint snowy's death as implicating me more than anyone else.

Are you talking about M71, where you NKed him N2?

I was thinking about the game where I won with DL and damo, but I suppose that works too.

[worcej]

I still recall when I first started bringing mafiauniverse and mafiascum
concepts onto this forum like towncores that people immediately said I was a fucking moron

How many of those people are actively still here?

[ghug]

do you believe chaqa is scum ghugert

on a ctrl f of you it doesn't seem like you've elaborated on this much

I spent a while voting for him earlier in the day, if you'll recall.

a lovely 16 minutes

Still counts.

He's in the pool of players I'd be interested in killing.

[celaph]

I see there are is a wagon on Maniac and a quick scan suggests that it's all the same reasons as before. I think his explanation on not voting Chaqa makes sense in context of someone who was having fun D1 and wanted to defend his townread in me. Also liked his other comments on people both from D1 and today.

[bozotheclown]

I'm the last person who left snowy alive. You cannot paint snowy's death as implicating me more than anyone else.

Are you talking about M71, where you NKed him N2?

I was thinking about the game where I won with DL and damo, but I suppose that works too.

In M71 I did not try to NK him N2, so I would say I was the last person to leave him alive.

[President Eden]

do y’all know how tempting it is to wildcard this shit and vote myself at :59

[worcej]

I beleive more in a system of checks and balances and hard questioning into supposed towncores for the sake of not letting anything get passed through without a comb. which is why damo
and snowy tend to hate my style of play because they usually start accepting people as town and leaving that list out of their sight.

a great example is many games back when vecna was 3p and I kept repeating vecna was scum and I was mocked to the point of subbing out of the game and low and behold vecna was absolutely not town and was allowed a hall pass for 80% of the game

i believe we should all elect one person who we trust and then let them solely decide who dies

back in the olden days, about a year before starting mafia here, I played a game with my IRL group at the time that had this exact mechanic.

I got elected day 1 and we literally killed mafia every single day until we won.

just saying…

If you add the modifier that the elected person gets it wrong, they die themselves, I'm in.

In fact... unique rule twist for a future game...

[President Eden]

Are you talking about M71, where you NKed him N2?

I was thinking about the game where I won with DL and damo, but I suppose that works too.

In M71 I did not try to NK him N2, so I would say I was the last person to leave him alive.

never change

[DemonRHK]

I just don't like about half the voters on this TFB wagon. Both counters and bozo make me go bleh.

[Bonatogether]

Why is sabi tier 1?

kind of hardcore doubt they actually go to all the trouble of spreadsheeting like this if they’re mafia. concededly there’s no reason they can’t have, but in my mind it’s a very low probability.

and I think they have been trying to solve the game in their own way. as we’ve seen in the past, their way is unfortunately easily replicated as mafia. but I think it’s genuine.

see, but imagine the scenario where sabi draws mafia again right after having an amazing mafia game. they'd have to know that in order to pull it off again, they're going to have to put in an extraordinant amount of effort and pull out all the stops. including the pity card of "you're all just voting me because i played well," including the spreadsheets, etc. Sabi strikes me as someone hyper-competitive-- apparently they sandbagged old games in order to have a good mafia one. Playing as mafia seems to be their main draw to the game, so I have no doubt they'd go to whatever trouble. so i don't think effort should be the way to determine their role, moreso motive behind their actions

100% agree

[BusinessLamp]

i believe we should all elect one person who we trust and then let them solely decide who dies

back in the olden days, about a year before starting mafia here, I played a game with my IRL group at the time that had this exact mechanic.

I got elected day 1 and we literally killed mafia every single day until we won.

just saying…

If you add the modifier that the elected person gets it wrong, they die themselves, I'm in.

In fact... unique rule twist for a future game...

but what if a mafia gets elected

[ghug]

Are you talking about M71, where you NKed him N2?

I was thinking about the game where I won with DL and damo, but I suppose that works too.

In M71 I did not try to NK him N2, so I would say I was the last person to leave him alive.

That wasn't a real mafia game anyway.

[President Eden]

i believe we should all elect one person who we trust and then let them solely decide who dies

back in the olden days, about a year before starting mafia here, I played a game with my IRL group at the time that had this exact mechanic.

I got elected day 1 and we literally killed mafia every single day until we won.

just saying…

If you add the modifier that the elected person gets it wrong, they die themselves, I'm in.

In fact... unique rule twist for a future game...

oh the setup was comically broken in half, I had like 2 bodyguards or some shit that the mafia had to kill first, and I think by default I stayed in power until a majority voted otherwise. and as obvtown who shot mafia d1, that wasn’t happening…

[worcej]

this is also why I was 100% content to lose to Sabi faking a townslip in M71. because for every one time a newbie actually does that there’s conservatively 5-6 times, and more probably 10+, where it’s a genuine slip. and in the times where it’s genuine you get a massive edge from just trusting it and moving on.

this is a game of probabilities, heuristics, and certain action off uncertain info.

Yet no one ever wants to factor in probabilities to justify actions and just use feelings...

[brainbomb]

I just don't like about half the voters on this TFB wagon. Both counters and bozo make me go bleh.

is RHK pretending that he isnt reading edens posts or is RHK actually not reading edens posts