M73 - Fowl Play - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[BusinessLamp]

everyone plz vote pyx thx

[TheFlyingBoat]

On my side I want a viable wagon to Celaph so we have an EOD and I didn't like the way TFB answered about why he would not fear kill Snowy. He answered me that many people scumread Snowy, but it just doesn't match what I was feeling at night.

Iirc the only person not giving somewhat townie lean on snowy was Jamiet.

Snowy was in my scumpool

This. Where the hell are all these "no one scum read Snowy" views coming from? People objectively shaded him a bunch. I straight up mentioned these times explicitly in a post. Am I through the looking glass or something?

[worcej]

I haven't called you any rude names at any point.

Why are you suddenly being so salty?

I remember a time I thought you and I got along pretty well.

I'm salty because you're being annoying.

Your line of thinking comes off like this: if celaph flips scum, worcej thinks I might be scummy and he's clearly scum because he hasn't investigated in thorough detail how I am clearly not scummy.

And yes, we do get along - that doesn't mean you're not a fuck stick right now.

Not "in thorough detail" but "AT ALL". You did not take the 20 seconds it would take, to check the bot to see if I'd given a reason to scumread Kak, before or during my vote. You just came out and said that if Celaph flips scum, that'll make me one of your top scumreads. Mate. It's either lazy or insincere, one or the other.

Because.

Celaph.

Isn't.

Flipped.

Yet.

[bozotheclown]

Most others had some level of established opinion on the subject, has vested interest in saving themselves, or were voting to prevent a tie in the final moments. Bozo broke a tie with no existing opinions on either player. If the one he saves flips scum, he looks bad.

Are you agreeing that it looks bad, or just explaining why it may look bad to others? I think rdrivera knows why I would never place that vote if celaph and I were both mafia, as I would expect you to as well.

Bozo - are you trying to imply that you'd bus over save a teammate?

In that situation, yes, or not vote for either.

[BusinessLamp]

Bozo - are you trying to imply that you'd bus over save a teammate?

In that situation, yes, or not vote for either.
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right same lol why would you associate yourself

[Chaqa]

I’m gonna refer to him as BFT for awhile and see if he ever responds to my posts. I encourage others to do likewise hehehe

[Chaqa]

everyone plz vote pyx thx

Based.

[TheFlyingBoat]

Point of Interest #3: Blamp votes for Kak. This is really interesting, given that just an hour and a half earlier, Blamp had given his vote preferences as "Chaqa > celaph > Demon":

i think im

chaqa>celaph>demon

at this point. debating first two

so my situation was that i came into the thread with 10 min left with no idea of what the vote count was. IIRC there wasnt really an up to date one readily available, it took effort to figure out. because i wasn't able to follow the events of the last hour, i wanted to just sit back and let the votes go wherever without influencing anything. however, you voted celaph, and people said it was tied. and i honestly don't remember exactly but i think i was just refreshing madly seeing what would happen and staring at the clock. and then when bozo's vote for kak came in i just piled on to that to combat one other person following your lead and it becoming another tie. plus i was sus of you at that time so that made me feel ok voting opposite. i did see celaph's "if i die" post and thought it was different from last time, too. it was stressful lol

i think if i'm scum there, even if celaph is also scum, i just lurk and don't vote. playing as mafia is fun and i wouldn't want to risk my experience for my partner who is under heat day one, lol.

If you want to have a reasonably up to date count mafia.peterlund.se is great. Should be near instant updates close to EOD

[BusinessLamp]

pyxxy refreshing the thread and liking my post asking ppl to vote him instead of providing any sort of explanation

[worcej]

If celaph flips scum, it doesn't matter what you said to go Kak - it could be a big lie and you need to be dived in more Jamie.

I'm not doing an deep dive without the necessary first step being confirmed Jamie.

[brainbomb]

pyxxy refreshing the thread and liking my post asking ppl to vote him instead of providing any sort of explanation

Patience.
pyxxy can be removed of in other ways.
and if not we have plenty of days and it wont be forgotten.

Is saw what you saw. Anyone paying attention saw it. its gonna happen. in time

[pyxxy]

pyxxy refreshing the thread and liking my post asking ppl to vote him instead of providing any sort of explanation

Would you rather I rush an explanation so that you can just keep hammering me now that EOD is approaching?

[brainbomb]

good catch blampy.

[TheFlyingBoat]

Why is sabi tier 1?

kind of hardcore doubt they actually go to all the trouble of spreadsheeting like this if they’re mafia. concededly there’s no reason they can’t have, but in my mind it’s a very low probability.

and I think they have been trying to solve the game in their own way. as we’ve seen in the past, their way is unfortunately easily replicated as mafia. but I think it’s genuine.

see, but imagine the scenario where sabi draws mafia again right after having an amazing mafia game. they'd have to know that in order to pull it off again, they're going to have to put in an extraordinant amount of effort and pull out all the stops. including the pity card of "you're all just voting me because i played well," including the spreadsheets, etc. Sabi strikes me as someone hyper-competitive-- apparently they sandbagged old games in order to have a good mafia one. Playing as mafia seems to be their main draw to the game, so I have no doubt they'd go to whatever trouble. so i don't think effort should be the way to determine their role, moreso motive behind their actions

This is actually a pretty good point. Perhaps I'm giving them too much credit. Certainly a plausible explanation. I'll reread (God that's going to be a slog) tomorrow if I make it out of this alive to see if I'm also explaining too many scummy parts of their game with "it's NAI for Sabi". I know I did it once but I'm pretty confident in that one. If I did it multiple times that's a decent sign I've fallen into the same trap as last time.

[rdrivera2005]

I'm not seeing how boatman is scum this game.

What am I missing

On my side I want a viable wagon to Celaph so we have an EOD and I didn't like the way TFB answered about why he would not fear kill Snowy. He answered me that many people scumread Snowy, but it just doesn't match what I was feeling at night.

Instead of basing things off of what you're feeling why don't you read what people were saying? Plenty of people expressed suspicion in Snowy. If you go back and use the bot you'll find out what I say is true
this is just like Snowy complaining I never mentioned him when I had one of the highest engagements with him of any player. It's just factually false. You're also supposed to be a lot more rational than this rdr so what is going on?

I have read all N1 and I even searched the bot. The only person that included Snowy on a scumpool was Jamiet. Others just put him on null and at least 3 out him on towncore (Eden, Chaqa and Brain). I think this is a lot more on being townread side then being scumread.
I am being rational now, my vote on Chaqa was a lot more gut based.

[BusinessLamp]

pyxxy refreshing the thread and liking my post asking ppl to vote him instead of providing any sort of explanation

Would you rather I rush an explanation so that you can just keep hammering me now that EOD is approaching?

i mean i assume you'd be typing said explanation instead of refreshing the thread and seeing how seriously people take the accusation but go off

[TheFlyingBoat]

to try to do SOMETHING useful before I go…

##VOTE TheFlyingBoat

this guy was as intensely interested as anyone else about why bozo would be town and then immediately fucked off to Narnia once it became clear what happened and hasn’t posted since

Because what you said with the soft claim was 1) pretty obvious and I didn't want to go full omgzorz look what PE is implying (not that it matters now) and 2) I had work calls from 9 until just before 11pm again yesterday.

[pyxxy]

Omg no not like "I saw your post and agreed" like I also thought TFB's post was sus but I lurked for most of D1, started feeling myself in N1, and now have completely embarassed myself into baiting your vote here in D2.

Honestly well played to brainbomb for poking me into doing this to myself XD

Brainbomb, I'll double respond here. Your posts are legendary on this forum. I've been on webdip long enough to know that.

that's not what i'm saying. I asked you why you agreed with Brain at that time that TFB was a good wagon. You have now said twice that it was because you thought TFB's post was sus. That post hadn't happened yet. So that means your initial agreement with TFB being a good wagon was fake, and now you're caught trying to come up with a justification.

This is 100% true, I didn't check the times on the posts, and I just wanted an excuse to run another wagon besides Celaph so that we would have a decent EOD discussion.

I should have just shut up and not tried to participate like I did during D1. Instead I got in over my head here and now there's no reasonable explanation for what I did besides "newbie town plays with toy posting gun and shoots self in foot".

I am refreshing the thread while typing, Blamp.

But if you were actually reading my posts, you would have seen earlier when I talked about reasoning behind Celaph flip outcomes, that I missed a few while reading and Chaqa commented as such, but I didn't refresh in time to see his comment.

I'm trying to avoid making what seem to be a sudden swarm of endless mistakes here.

[BusinessLamp]

good catch blampy.

thanks dad

[rdrivera2005]

Iirc the only person not giving somewhat townie lean on snowy was Jamiet.

Snowy was in my scumpool

This. Where the hell are all these "no one scum read Snowy" views coming from? People objectively shaded him a bunch. I straight up mentioned these times explicitly in a post. Am I through the looking glass or something?

Did you and Dano discussed reads on Mafia QT? Because Damo never posted about Damo on N1.