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Re: M73 - Fowl Play - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#2881 Post by Chaqa » Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:16 pm

President Eden wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 3:44 pm
Chaqa wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 3:37 pm
President Eden wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 3:30 pm
Chaqa what you did served literally no town purpose. Even if you think what I was doing was obvious, what you did increased the chance that mafia figured it out, for literally zero gain to town. This despite the fact that you have hardcore townread me the entire game. You did it entirely out of your own pride and conceit with no regard for how it helped the team.

Take a fucking break until you can put your silly stupid pride aside or sub the fuck out.
Increasing the chance from 100% lmao

You made a really terrible play. There is no reason to pretend it wasn't out there just for some vague "hehe we're so sneaky boiz" bullshit.

If you had just kept your crumbs close to the vest in a few days we would be golden, instead you played your hand to put out one inno scan.

You could have just said "I reread some old Bozo games and it made me town read him" and that would have explained his jump up the rankings. Instead you go "he's 70% town ask no more just trust me"

I'm not prideful about this. I'm feeling gaslit. You're blaming me because you can't admit you're wrong, and it's just like the Royal Bodyguard situation in Clank last year, which I STILL don't agree with you on, and probably never will.

I'm not gonna sub out lmao
You feel gaslit because you are terminally prideful and feel entitled to attack people as viciously as you want without any consequence if they ever say anything to you that you sufficiently don’t like, including calling you out for your bullshit, and you literally cannot imagine a world where that isn’t the case. In the “Royal Bodyguard situation” that you keep referencing as some kind of own, you gave one interpretation of a rule when I asked and then changed your interpretation once you saw me apply the rule on my turn, then when I pointed this out in a completely matter of fact tone and without accusing you, you flew off the handle and kept personally insulting me and talking over everyone until I quit the game and blocked you to get away from it.

You are being terminally prideful again. It shows in the fact that you have no answer to the 100% correct charge that nothing you did helped town. You cannot answer the points against you with reason, so you resort to emotional manipulation, the same as you did when you were the Cop in M70 and royally botched your crumbs and your D1 generally. You refused to meet me as an equal and have a constructive conversation about the misunderstanding. You were prideful and your pride led you to be shitty to me and engage in behavior that was actually gaslighting—acting like an encounter we had didn’t happen and explicitly resorting to emotional appeals to make me stop bringing it up.

You’re my friend and this doesn’t change that but you act REALLY FUCKING SHITTY sometimes and I wish you’d fucking stop.
That isn't how the Royal Bodyguard thing happened. I wasn't paying attention, assumed you knew how it worked and so agreed with you, and then saw what you did and was like "wait no that isn't how that works".

The M70 Cop game, where my crumb made sense despite having to veer from my original intent, and you were the only one seriously questioning it?

I don't even begin to know where you're coming from with this "viciously attacking people" thing. You KNOW that isn't me. That's some johnson bullshit.

I can only assume this is one of those cases where you are so emotionally invested in something that you refuse to see reason, and need some time to calm down, so I'll drop it for now because clearly you can't be reasonable here.

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Re: M73 - Fowl Play - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#2882 Post by brainbomb » Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:18 pm

damo666 wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:15 pm
brainbomb wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:09 pm
scum pile (in no order)
pyxxy
rdrivera
demonrhk
maniac
tfb
sabi
celaph

help me make this list smaller
I don't townread ghug but he's the least likely out of this lot.
ghug removed as per damo
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Re: M73 - Fowl Play - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#2883 Post by damo666 » Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:19 pm

worcej wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:13 pm
ghug wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:48 am
President Eden wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:12 am

who do you even think is mafia and why did EOD1 happen the way it did in light of that
Man it's day two, I'm not supposed to know that yet.

I've realized having missed EoD that it's harder to get a feel for the rhythm of it from the outside. My gut reading it said that celaph was town, and what was left was boat being saved. Boat hasn't been that scummy on his own, but I think celaph has been good, so I'm much more interested in boat if we're killing someone for scumread+info. If boat is scum, I think Chaqa and bozo look like savers. Sabi looks not great, but I'm discounting that because I think they're likely town. Maybe Lamp, maybe Brain, but the votes don't look as bad and the other play looks better.

Outside of that (i.e. if I'm wrong on celaph and/or boat or I'm looking for scum who didn't vote to save him), the people I find iffy are damo, Maniac, and Chaqa again. You were there but I've liked your day 2 more (in terms of towniness; I agreed with you more yesterday).

I don't feel particularly strongly about any one person, which is probably for the best as I'm liable to fall into bad patterns. The people I don't want to kill today are Sabi, bona, brain, lamp, celaph, RHK (though where the fuck is he?), you, maybe pyxxy though I don't totally buy the logic townclearing him.
As usual, we have an opposite opinion: I think celaph is the better info flip.

Celaph's result would help shine some light onto Maniac, Chaqa, Jamie, bozo, sabi, and TFB in my views of EOD1.
Do me a favour and list it out considering you have already done the work.

What can we infer about who as a result of the following:

a) celaph scumflip
b) celaph townflip
c) TFB scumslip
d) TFB townslip ?

TIA. ;)

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Re: M73 - Fowl Play - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#2884 Post by worcej » Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:19 pm

damo666 wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 9:38 am
President Eden wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 1:46 am
Tier 1 = strong towncore, do not want to kill in this group ever.
Tier 2 = leaning town, do not wish to kill today, but potentially open to killing later based on flips/etc.
Tier 3 = vaguely in the null space, probably don’t kill today
Tier 4 = killable today

Tier 1: Sabi, Bona, brain, Demon
Tier 2: bozo, Lamp, Chaqa, pyxxy
Tier 3: ghug, Jamie, worcej, rivera, Boat
Tier 4: celaph, Maniac
Gee thanks!

How do put Demon in Tier 1 ????
This must be the 6th person to comment on this ranking list.

Well done Eden, you unlocked the ability to get engagement from a list better than anyone else ever has.

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Re: M73 - Fowl Play - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#2885 Post by Chaqa » Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:20 pm

brainbomb wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:10 pm
who has rdrivera as town and why
There is a 69% chance rivera is town, but don't ask me why, just trust me, ok?

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Re: M73 - Fowl Play - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#2886 Post by damo666 » Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:21 pm

worcej wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:19 pm
damo666 wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 9:38 am
President Eden wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 1:46 am
Tier 1 = strong towncore, do not want to kill in this group ever.
Tier 2 = leaning town, do not wish to kill today, but potentially open to killing later based on flips/etc.
Tier 3 = vaguely in the null space, probably don’t kill today
Tier 4 = killable today

Tier 1: Sabi, Bona, brain, Demon
Tier 2: bozo, Lamp, Chaqa, pyxxy
Tier 3: ghug, Jamie, worcej, rivera, Boat
Tier 4: celaph, Maniac
Gee thanks!

How do put Demon in Tier 1 ????
This must be the 6th person to comment on this ranking list.

Well done Eden, you unlocked the ability to get engagement from a list better than anyone else ever has.
I assume I'm Tier 0 with PE

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Re: M73 - Fowl Play - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#2887 Post by damo666 » Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:21 pm

Chaqa wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:20 pm
brainbomb wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:10 pm
who has rdrivera as town and why
There is a 69% chance rivera is town, but don't ask me why, just trust me, ok?
Stop taking the piss.

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#2888 Post by worcej » Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:22 pm

damo666 wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 10:31 am
Chaqa is obvtown
This is where I'm at for the most part as well.

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#2889 Post by worcej » Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:23 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 11:46 am
President Eden wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 1:46 am
Tier 1 = strong towncore, do not want to kill in this group ever.
Tier 2 = leaning town, do not wish to kill today, but potentially open to killing later based on flips/etc.
Tier 3 = vaguely in the null space, probably don’t kill today
Tier 4 = killable today

Tier 1: Sabi, Bona, brain, Demon
Tier 2: bozo, Lamp, Chaqa, pyxxy
Tier 3: ghug, Jamie, worcej, rivera, Boat
Tier 4: celaph, Maniac
Could you explain your scumread on Maniac please, PE?

You've mentioned him a few times and put him in your scum-pool, but I've read back and I can't quite understand what your case on him is?
Got another!

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#2890 Post by worcej » Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:26 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:36 pm
celaph wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 11:45 am
damo666 wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 9:33 am


I don't know whether you are scum but you are a good info kill. This is unfortunate if you are town but there you are. If you are town scum are not going to NK you so there will always be a big ? over you so might as well get it over and done with now. Sorry for being so cold about it but as I said before it's inevitable (barring drama).
I appreciate your honesty, but I also think that a pure info kill is foolish. If town have no better way of finding scum than killing each other, this is going to be a fast game.
+1
I'll return this back to a 0 with a -1 because info kills are the best kills to make early as you begin to get tangible evidence to tie to people's motives/reasoning.

You start to create some pretty obvious town players and can go from there.

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#2891 Post by President Eden » Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:28 pm

oh about Maniac

I liked Demon’s post about Maniac being the cause for his own wagon on Boat collapsing, and then blaming the collapse for his late move off the wagon. it’s way easier to find the post itself in Demon’s ISO than it is to find my comment on it (if I did), but snowy also pointed out Demon’s post before dying. incidentally that’s also why I don’t want to kill Demon.

about rivera, there’s no specific reason for him to be town or mafia IMO. don’t feel he has done anything outside his mafia range but he also hasn’t done anything especially suspicious. he is a true null for me

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#2892 Post by worcej » Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:28 pm

BesharamSabi wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 1:27 pm
After much time away from thinking about it, my case on Chaqa is weak as heck.

Back to the drawing room.
This is why you're not as bad as you say you are.

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#2893 Post by President Eden » Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:29 pm

damo was meant to be tier 2 fwiw

but I think he’s just town. he saw a percentage post and immediately got fired up to solve the game

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#2894 Post by Jamiet99uk » Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:29 pm

President Eden wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:05 pm
have no idea how I managed to break that quote but my bad
How come you said you had to go, and would therefore explain your Maniac read later, but you're still here posting and not explaining about Maniac?

Did you scan him too?
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#2895 Post by Jamiet99uk » Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:31 pm

worcej wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:13 pm
ghug wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:48 am
President Eden wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:12 am

who do you even think is mafia and why did EOD1 happen the way it did in light of that
Man it's day two, I'm not supposed to know that yet.

I've realized having missed EoD that it's harder to get a feel for the rhythm of it from the outside. My gut reading it said that celaph was town, and what was left was boat being saved. Boat hasn't been that scummy on his own, but I think celaph has been good, so I'm much more interested in boat if we're killing someone for scumread+info. If boat is scum, I think Chaqa and bozo look like savers. Sabi looks not great, but I'm discounting that because I think they're likely town. Maybe Lamp, maybe Brain, but the votes don't look as bad and the other play looks better.

Outside of that (i.e. if I'm wrong on celaph and/or boat or I'm looking for scum who didn't vote to save him), the people I find iffy are damo, Maniac, and Chaqa again. You were there but I've liked your day 2 more (in terms of towniness; I agreed with you more yesterday).

I don't feel particularly strongly about any one person, which is probably for the best as I'm liable to fall into bad patterns. The people I don't want to kill today are Sabi, bona, brain, lamp, celaph, RHK (though where the fuck is he?), you, maybe pyxxy though I don't totally buy the logic townclearing him.
As usual, we have an opposite opinion: I think celaph is the better info flip.

Celaph's result would help shine some light onto Maniac, Chaqa, Jamie, bozo, sabi, and TFB in my views of EOD1.
What would flipping Celaph tell you about moi?
Potato, potato; potato.

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#2896 Post by worcej » Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:32 pm

BusinessLamp wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 1:52 pm
worcej wrote:
Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:05 pm
I'll try to go back and look, but give me some explanation on the Maniac and sabi stances.
the maniac stance is mainly based on thinking his townread on celaph is weird and artificial, and to this point he has had varying levels of justification for it. it reads as some sort of ploy, and the reason i've felt like he's a potentially better vote today is because if maniac flips scum then i think it would be prudent for us to reconsider what that means for celaph's alignment. admittedly there's also a predilection towards getting rid of people that aren't going to produce as much content so we can avoid what happened last game where the late days had no one talking.

sabi has been weirdly stubborn on bad logic a couple points now, but i'm struggling to come to a conclusion on whether that means scum. examples being that maniac posting wordles is alignment indicative, my phone story being fiction, and chaqa's RB fiasco (imo). in iso, you see that sabi is a motivator for the kak wagon's momentum, and also worth noting they tried to dissuade suspicion on celaph earlier in the day.
Rip kak.

I'm sorry for thinking you were scummy.
this post (at start of night) also feels fake to me, over-justification of "my reasoning for voting kak was legit." there has also been an MO of overly repeating "i'm scumhunting!" this is accompanied by the spreadsheets, which i'm not convinced by. sabi just does a lot of weird things lol and it's been hard for me to make sense of what's scum-indicative but that's where i'm leaning
I like these responses.

I didn't see Sabi as a motivator (did you mean instigator?) of the Kak wagon. I'll go re-read.

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#2897 Post by Chaqa » Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:32 pm

Towncore:
Bonatogether
brainbomb
damo666
President Eden - town unless Flipper

Conditional Town:
bozotheclown - based off Eden

Likely Town:
BesharamSabi
DemonRHK
Jamiet99uk
worcej

Scumpool: (ranked so that bottom are more preferred votes)
rdrivera2005
ghug
pyxxy
Maniac
BusinessLamp
TheFlyingBoat
celaph

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#2898 Post by President Eden » Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:32 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:29 pm
President Eden wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:05 pm
have no idea how I managed to break that quote but my bad
How come you said you had to go, and would therefore explain your Maniac read later, but you're still here posting and not explaining about Maniac?

Did you scan him too?
I really did and do need to go but I’m mad and a sucker for Internet trolls.

we crossposted re Maniac

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#2899 Post by Jamiet99uk » Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:32 pm

brainbomb wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:18 pm
damo666 wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:15 pm
brainbomb wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:09 pm
scum pile (in no order)
pyxxy
rdrivera
demonrhk
maniac
tfb
sabi
celaph

help me make this list smaller
I don't townread ghug but he's the least likely out of this lot.
ghug removed as per damo
Why are you accepting instructions from Damo?
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#2900 Post by President Eden » Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:34 pm

Chaqa wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:32 pm
Towncore:
Bonatogether
brainbomb
damo666
President Eden - town unless Flipper

Conditional Town:
bozotheclown - based off Eden

Likely Town:
BesharamSabi
DemonRHK
Jamiet99uk
worcej

Scumpool: (ranked so that bottom are more preferred votes)
rdrivera2005
ghug
pyxxy
Maniac
BusinessLamp
TheFlyingBoat
celaph
well, bozo can be Godfather still. and he’s been a sussy boy. hence why I haven’t hard defended him.

like the gist of this post, I’m not really sure about a few people but this is like 80% what I think

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