M73 - Fowl Play - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[President Eden]

OK so reading up on JOAT, are we sure JOAT didn't kill snowy and mafia kill was saved by the doc/roleblocked by whomever?

I was just thinking this. It's possible, but there's no way of knowing.

Hell, it's also possible Snowy was Flipper that picked VT and got shot by Vig.

You never know in these games

bruh.

[Chaqa]

OK so reading up on JOAT, are we sure JOAT didn't kill snowy and mafia kill was saved by the doc/roleblocked by whomever?

I was just thinking this. It's possible, but there's no way of knowing.

Hell, it's also possible Snowy was Flipper that picked VT and got shot by Vig.

You never know in these games

bruh.

I don't think it's what happened, but you know some weird shit has happened in these games.

[BesharamSabi]

OK so reading up on JOAT, are we sure JOAT didn't kill snowy and mafia kill was saved by the doc/roleblocked by whomever?

I was just thinking this. It's possible, but there's no way of knowing.

Hell, it's also possible Snowy was Flipper that picked VT and got shot by Vig.

You never know in these games

It would be a snowy thing to do

[ghug]

I was just thinking this. It's possible, but there's no way of knowing.

Hell, it's also possible Snowy was Flipper that picked VT and got shot by Vig.

You never know in these games

bruh.

I don't think it's what happened, but you know some weird shit has happened in these games.

Someday we're actually going to townclear scum. I hope it's Maniac.

[TheFlyingBoat]

Somebody thought a lot about how he would deal with snowy if he were scum...

Or it's just an on the spot rebuttal to why it's a fundamentally poorly thought out argument? Care to engage with the substance of it at all or is a lazy sideswipe the name of the game here?

Snowy good and snowy PR are enough for the NK to make sense, but I find the idea that you wouldn't kill a strong player who has you pegged because he's nice to have I'm the thread a little absurd.

He is a strong player in general but as I pointed out earlier I implored him if he were town and not scum as I read him to be to play better. That clearly shows while I respected him in the general sense I thought his play this game was more than subpar and not just for him but in general. I really think these claims of a fear kill or whatever to be quite silly.

[BesharamSabi]

OK so reading up on JOAT, are we sure JOAT didn't kill snowy and mafia kill was saved by the doc/roleblocked by whomever?

would eagerly refund the JOAT’s bullet so they could shoot themselves if this is what happened

I mean some people, namely Jamiet, didn't townread or close to townread snowy so it's not that much of a surprise.

[TheFlyingBoat]

OK so reading up on JOAT, are we sure JOAT didn't kill snowy and mafia kill was saved by the doc/roleblocked by whomever?

I was just thinking this. It's possible, but there's no way of knowing.

Hell, it's also possible Snowy was Flipper that picked VT and got shot by Vig.

You never know in these games

It would be a snowy thing to do

Why would it be a Snowy thing to do?

[President Eden]

I was just thinking this. It's possible, but there's no way of knowing.

Hell, it's also possible Snowy was Flipper that picked VT and got shot by Vig.

You never know in these games

bruh.

I don't think it's what happened, but you know some weird shit has happened in these games.

you’ve officially spent more time posting about this wild 2% bs than you have researching your giga brain EOD1 jebait trap. why am I supposed to believe that you actually cared about said jebait trap?

[brainbomb]

what was that game where damo and rdrivera both claimed a janitored pr and scum ended up winning because of it

[brainbomb]

what was that game where damo and rdrivera both claimed a janitored pr and scum ended up winning because of it

im almost certain that was the game where I fake claimed to try to save ghug and it got us both killed instead

[President Eden]

what was that game where damo and rdrivera both claimed a janitored pr and scum ended up winning because of it

im almost certain that was the game where I fake claimed to try to save ghug and it got us both killed instead

town absolutely axe-murdered mafia that game

[Chaqa]

bruh.

I don't think it's what happened, but you know some weird shit has happened in these games.

you’ve officially spent more time posting about this wild 2% bs than you have researching your giga brain EOD1 jebait trap. why am I supposed to believe that you actually cared about said jebait trap?

I can't put the time into researching a more in-depth issue during working hours. It's much easier to make short responses to the ongoing discussion.

[President Eden]

steam literally says you’re playing Civ 6 rn so

[BesharamSabi]

bruh.

I don't think it's what happened, but you know some weird shit has happened in these games.

you’ve officially spent more time posting about this wild 2% bs than you have researching your giga brain EOD1 jebait trap. why am I supposed to believe that you actually cared about said jebait trap?

Get his ass eden

[Chaqa]

steam literally says you’re playing Civ 6 rn so

For the record, he is joking.

[worcej]

My shitty take of EOD1:
I label it as shitty because I am not going to spend hours digging into reasoning, but will at least comment what I can tell by looking at the movement. Key thing I see is with 30 minutes left, there was a lot of opportunity to consolidate on a variety of options, no real surefire wagon just yet.

From 30 to 20 min left, I see the following:

• TFB move to Chaqa, from Kak, which can be seen as making more options for others in order to save himself since he was the leading wagon. Votes are 4 TFB, 3 Cha, 3 cel, 3 Kak
• Maniac pushes TFB up another vote, now up by 2 with 5 votes. I peg this as making a practical vote and Maniac provided explanation in his own words already that I read.
• Sabi move to celaph, from Kak. This makes the top wagons TFB and celaph (5, 4 respectively - next wagons 3 and 2). With no context available, this movement doesn't spark any concerns for me.
• Chaqa moves to Blamp, from TFB. Now have TFB and celaph tied at 4. Like Sabi, not concerning because there is 23 minutes left in the phase when it was tied.

@ the 20 minute mark, the VC is 4 TFB, 4 cel, 3 Cha, 2 Kak. Nothing blatantly scummy for me to want to dig into at this point.

From 20 to 10 min left, I see the following:

• Demon moves to celaph, from bozo. Celaph now @ 5. My take is this is consolidation - bozo isn't likely happening at this point.
• Kak votes for celaph. No vote prior to this, now up by 2. Need to review Kak's posts to see if this was a legit read or just saving himself.
• Chaqa moves to Kak, from BLamp. Cel still comfortably up by 2 votes.
• Sabi move to Kak, from Cel. Now wagons are less consolidated and we have a 5, 4, 4 situation with Cel, TFB, and Kak.

@ the 10 minute mark, I am questioning the votes from Chaqa and Sabi and will have to dive further for this reasoning. I'm interested in why their votes were moved during this time period.

From 10 to 5 min left, only one thing happens:

• TFB moves to Kak, from Chaqa. We now have a tied top wagon between Celaph and Kak. You can look at this move as ensuring he doesn't die (by putting two options above him on vote count) and I would default to this without any further context.

What shocks me is the vote stayed tied for 6 minutes...

From 5 to 0 min left, shit happens to consolidate:

• Maniac moves to Kak
• Celaph moves to Kak - self-saving IMHO
• Chaqa moves to Celaph - once again tying the vote...
• Bozo moves to Kak
• Blamp moves to Kak
• Jamie moves to Kak

The obvious question I have is why all of this movement explicitly to Kak and not celaph? I'd expect more dispersion than this, but it seems rather consolidated which strikes me as abnormal.

A celaph info flip grows in merit. If celaph is in fact scum, there is a small group of people who would fit the 'saving my teammate'. If celaph is town, then at least we know we're all a bunch of idiots.

[BesharamSabi]

My shitty take of EOD1:
I label it as shitty because I am not going to spend hours digging into reasoning, but will at least comment what I can tell by looking at the movement. Key thing I see is with 30 minutes left, there was a lot of opportunity to consolidate on a variety of options, no real surefire wagon just yet.

From 30 to 20 min left, I see the following:

• TFB move to Chaqa, from Kak, which can be seen as making more options for others in order to save himself since he was the leading wagon. Votes are 4 TFB, 3 Cha, 3 cel, 3 Kak
• Maniac pushes TFB up another vote, now up by 2 with 5 votes. I peg this as making a practical vote and Maniac provided explanation in his own words already that I read.
• Sabi move to celaph, from Kak. This makes the top wagons TFB and celaph (5, 4 respectively - next wagons 3 and 2). With no context available, this movement doesn't spark any concerns for me.
• Chaqa moves to Blamp, from TFB. Now have TFB and celaph tied at 4. Like Sabi, not concerning because there is 23 minutes left in the phase when it was tied.

@ the 20 minute mark, the VC is 4 TFB, 4 cel, 3 Cha, 2 Kak. Nothing blatantly scummy for me to want to dig into at this point.

From 20 to 10 min left, I see the following:

• Demon moves to celaph, from bozo. Celaph now @ 5. My take is this is consolidation - bozo isn't likely happening at this point.
• Kak votes for celaph. No vote prior to this, now up by 2. Need to review Kak's posts to see if this was a legit read or just saving himself.
• Chaqa moves to Kak, from BLamp. Cel still comfortably up by 2 votes.
• Sabi move to Kak, from Cel. Now wagons are less consolidated and we have a 5, 4, 4 situation with Cel, TFB, and Kak.

@ the 10 minute mark, I am questioning the votes from Chaqa and Sabi and will have to dive further for this reasoning. I'm interested in why their votes were moved during this time period.

From 10 to 5 min left, only one thing happens:

• TFB moves to Kak, from Chaqa. We now have a tied top wagon between Celaph and Kak. You can look at this move as ensuring he doesn't die (by putting two options above him on vote count) and I would default to this without any further context.

What shocks me is the vote stayed tied for 6 minutes...

From 5 to 0 min left, shit happens to consolidate:

• Maniac moves to Kak
• Celaph moves to Kak - self-saving IMHO
• Chaqa moves to Celaph - once again tying the vote...
• Bozo moves to Kak
• Blamp moves to Kak
• Jamie moves to Kak

The obvious question I have is why all of this movement explicitly to Kak and not celaph? I'd expect more dispersion than this, but it seems rather consolidated which strikes me as abnormal.

A celaph info flip grows in merit. If celaph is in fact scum, there is a small group of people who would fit the 'saving my teammate'. If celaph is town, then at least we know we're all a bunch of idiots.

I have explained my reasoning:

• kak last post seemed sus
  
  I didn't think tfb should be a D1 kill

[damo666]

They did include me in the townie list?

im saying he didnt list you as vt and youre the only person who has claimed vt

In fact I claimed 100% confirmed vanilla chicken ®

Thank you rdr

[worcej]

Can't tell if ghug is buddying me or not

ghug doesn't buddy people, so default to not.

What? I buddy people constantly.

Perhaps I don't see it because we normally keep a Washington-state sized gap between us.

[worcej]

TL;DR on Chaqa - I don't think scum!Chaqa would risk being openly scum in the off chance to verify if his team hit the cop or JOAT.

It's far too much of a risk to get information that would be dependent on the PRs being stupid and blurting it out when it's established that role blocks will not receive a message normally.

Chaqa scum confirmed.

Ooof...