M73 - Fowl Play - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[worcej]

@Sabi
You reference this as the crap explanation?

guarantee* Chaqa just forgot how the rb worked

I was trying to catch a mafia fake claiming the roleblock…

And from my perspective, this fits more of Chaqa's town playbook than being an openly stupid scum trying to see if his team's RB hit the cop or JOAT, of which only a couple would know (this is based on my understanding the doctor will never receive an RB message because they'll never know if they were needed or not, per my question @ Bob during the signup thread)

[Chaqa]

I don't get why people think Chaqa is too dumb to make a play like this. Chaqa is very smart and he knew what he was doing.

Wasn’t a crux of your argument that I did the RB thing to PR hunt and got caught and couldn’t come up with a good reason for it?

So simultaneously im not dumb enough to make a mistake but also dumb enough to not think through if it’s a good ides in the first place?

Yes because you didn't think you would have gotten caught for it if someone didn't notice

Eden is literally in the game and was actively posting. You must think I'm really dumb to not know he would know how the roleblocks work.

But you don't think I'm dumb.

So therefore - I'm not scum.

[brainbomb]

Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people.

[TheFlyingBoat]

disagree. im actually a bit more wary of the people who hardcore latch onto it as suspicious. Eye emoji

Scumlean me more. Chaqa, as member of kouncil, should have known better when he knew this set up was different

in what scenario does it work as a scum play? say scum purposely roleblocked like, me or pyxxy for optimal chance that we’d make a mistake as PR and claim to be roleblocked since we are newer. If it works and a PR is outed, Chaqa gets insta-eliminated by the vote, and the PR is likely doc saved or something. It’s not a good trade for scum, imo. So I don’t think the motivation is as simple as you seem to

That’s only true if you assume Chaqa insta dies. I don’t think that’s true. I think he’d be able to pass it off as a mistake or not knowing the new rule. I probably would have forgiven it given I already said earlier that would be a much more believable explanation than what he came up with.

[Chaqa]

Chaqa starting the TFB wagon in the last hour of D1, then jumping off when it took the lead, makes it look like bussing. Why start a new wagon in the last hour unless you would like to see it happen?

This is why I'm wondering if it wasn't celaph, but TFB, who was being protected on Day 1. The sudden and weird shift onto Kak could be explained that way, as could Snowy's NK.

[worcej]

TL;DR on Chaqa - I don't think scum!Chaqa would risk being openly scum in the off chance to verify if his team hit the cop or JOAT.

It's far too much of a risk to get information that would be dependent on the PRs being stupid and blurting it out when it's established that role blocks will not receive a message normally.

[TheFlyingBoat]

My reason for scumreading pyxxy is their selective application of giving +1’s to posts througout the game without interacting with said posts or explaining what they liked about them. It feels like laughing about things without saying why those things would be funny. if you go look at who is giving +1’s there are numerous bizarre instances where pyxxy is liking posts they arent even addressing.

Strange sure, but why do you see it as scummy? What's the motivation?

[worcej]

Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people.

Who did you steal this quote from?

[Chaqa]

Scumlean me more. Chaqa, as member of kouncil, should have known better when he knew this set up was different

in what scenario does it work as a scum play? say scum purposely roleblocked like, me or pyxxy for optimal chance that we’d make a mistake as PR and claim to be roleblocked since we are newer. If it works and a PR is outed, Chaqa gets insta-eliminated by the vote, and the PR is likely doc saved or something. It’s not a good trade for scum, imo. So I don’t think the motivation is as simple as you seem to

That’s only true if you assume Chaqa insta dies. I don’t think that’s true. I think he’d be able to pass it off as a mistake or not knowing the new rule. I probably would have forgiven it given I already said earlier that would be a much more believable explanation than what he came up with.

Which is why I'm town:
1. I reviewed the setup and discussed the roleblock rule with several people
2. People not believing the true explanations of things I do is alsomost a meme by now - see the time I crumbed Cop and lots of people doubted it
3. The only mistake I made was signing up for this game

[TheFlyingBoat]

to me it felt like pyxxy trying to fit in without having to engage

Does giving +1s result in any credit being given to anyone without engagement in terms of reads? I don't think I see your case here

[worcej]

Alright semi-current with the day phase, now digging into this:

1. EOD1
2. Sabi's VT claim with mild pressure
3. Looking for the SIMPing score or whatever

[TheFlyingBoat]

its a bit odd to be sitting there giving +1s to substantive talking points from the shadows and actively avoiding talking in the game thread for 23 pages.

Ok this kind of makes sense

[brainbomb]

to me it felt like pyxxy trying to fit in without having to engage

Does giving +1s result in any credit being given to anyone without engagement in terms of reads? I don't think I see your case here

then look at their vote for kak and then as soon as maf chat becomes available they come in with a post that can be used as a false townslip

[TheFlyingBoat]

a quick cheeky check in before work

(as if I won’t be shitposting here all day)

• celaph concededly looks better but need to think more about what it means.
• still think Chaqa is fine but don’t mind him getting a lil heat

@Boat: I know I highlighted the suspects instead of the non suspects, but the point of my post was actually to say that I thought everyone outside that pool looked good n1, and thus that it’s more of a POE list than a suspects list (though in practice those are pretty much the same for me). so yes while a lot of the people who weren’t contributing at night weren’t contributing at day either, and while it’s better to hunt the people with marked departures, ultimately I stand by that list being a good place to shoot.

That makes sense and I ultimately agreed with your conclusion it was a good place to shoot

[brainbomb]

I find pyxxy acknoledging my concerns but never actually explaining on the three posts I quoted any reasons why they gave those three a +1

It wasnt like I asked them to explain what they liked on every +1

I gave three examples

three

and they dodged even trying to answer and their return post was as slimy as can be.

[brainbomb]

rather than spam the game with every posy pyxxy gave a +1 too here are three in particular that im curious what they liked from these posts and why they selectively picked these

You should probably start with doing this instead of what you did

I think brain meant to attach them but just forgot :'(

Just caught up on the thread and I was excited to finally get some attention besides a few pats on the head and "oh what a good newbie town you are" especially from one as lauded as bb

I think the fact celaph wasnt killed by Joat indicates that the Joat doesnt beleive celaph is scum. which is interesting and obviously joat dont react to this but if there is a PR on the fence about a particular consensus read should that give us pause or do we just think the Joat is justified in saving their kill for a later time? I feel like flipping celaph via joat kill was probably a decent play here and unless celaph is the joat maybe we should prop up a viable counter wagon which can actaully make this day interesting

I propose we make the counter wagons from pyxxy, flyingboat, and one of our absentee players worcej or rdrivera

discuss
I prefer we not use today to hammer celaph

+1 to the idea that JOAT maybe should have shot celaph

+0.5 to the idea of not hammering celaph, in that I think we've done a good job of getting that done right away here in D2 and now we're progressing to other conversations naturally

+0.5 to getting another wagon going, boat seems like a fine choice to drive again

pyxxy is very concerned about the ease of which their +1 behaviors can be seen

It's just a pain to view them en mass, as you are undoubtably experiencing while combing through mine B) I thought Eden had some way to view them all at once.

to me it felt like pyxxy trying to fit in without having to engage

in what scenario does it work as a scum play? say scum purposely roleblocked like, me or pyxxy for optimal chance that we’d make a mistake as PR and claim to be roleblocked since we are newer. If it works and a PR is outed, Chaqa gets insta-eliminated by the vote, and the PR is likely doc saved or something. It’s not a good trade for scum, imo. So I don’t think the motivation is as simple as you seem to

never underestimate scums ability to out a PR and then feign ignorance. Ive done it before. Ive PR claimed as scum to bait a counter claim and then I retracted and just acted like I was trying to protect the real PR

In other news, Pyxxy is town core. Having been the main cw yesterday and given the talk surrounding me, there is no reason to ever assume that mafia would kill me there. They'd be fools for doing so. The fact that this was not immediately and intuitively obvious shows a complete lack of scum thought on his front. This also matches well with his earlier comments trying to figure things out and his evident lack of experience.

Returning to the game, do we assume Brainbomb's roleblock claim is legit since nobody else has claimed it? Or could it be a ruse?

It's BB - assume chaos at all times.

Ah...

If a flipper picks VT, does their win condition change? I.e. does picking VT/a town role as the flipper mean that now you win if town wins? Or do you still just win if mafia wins?

No, the only thing affected by the Flipper's choice is what role/alignment their body appears to be if they die. It effectively allows them to pick a fake role reveal on death. They don't actually assume that role.

Thank you!

Damn disappointing that Snowy was gone, especially given he didn't get to get into normal hard carry Snowy mode. Him and Durga were the two primary reasons I joined this game and Durga dropped

Anyways Celaph managed to avoid posting at all during the night so I'm feeling pretty comfortable voting ##VOTE Celaph here.

Given my lack of posting it you could say that your reasons for voting have not changed, but to phrase it as I "managed to avoid posting" is a blatant mischaracterization. I'm never an active night poster.

Noted! Bona and Chaqa +1'd this which means absolutely nothing so I would love if an experienced player could confirm this about Celaph.

none of this addresses my posts I chose.
it basically emojis its way through actually having to engage

[brainbomb]

its a bit odd to be sitting there giving +1s to substantive talking points from the shadows and actively avoiding talking in the game thread for 23 pages.

Ok this kind of makes sense

[TheFlyingBoat]

I agree with this

Inb4 “it’s scummy”

the thing that actually raises my eyebrows here a bit is, you very specifically demurred on pursuing your alleged bait at EOD1 until celaph flips because you “don’t know” that celaph is mafia. but you’re treating his flip like a foregone conclusion. so while we have 24+ hours left, what’s the harm in pursuing your angle now? surely you can find something of value to derive from your play even if celaph flips town?

Well yeah, but how am I to know which conclusions to draw before he flips?

So let’s get the flip over with so we can analyze

I mean it's a binary outcome, it's not that hard to create a decision tree. I don't think you're scum for avoiding this because I had this same frustration with you last game for being unwilling to create decision trees based on the outcome of simple variables that would have been easy to generate and show that you had some theory as to what the info you're trying to get showed. That being said why can't you create this basic decision tree and walk us through it?

[brainbomb]

I don't know if I trust my own vibes enough yet to be willing to name anyone.

My concern then, is, how often do people just vote out low posters and does low posting actually have a decent track record for finding scum? Or is it just a good way of creating "good chat" and generally gathering more D1 info for town to reference in the future?

imo just go for it, act hyper confident in every whim or thought you have and pursue them to the fullest degree. it's a game and more fun that way. if you're wrong that's okay. if you're right then you get bragging rights for the rest of your life. plus, as long as there is some basis to your thoughts, it helps prod discussion.

and in my experience of one (1) game here it was talked about a bit but no one ever voted off lurkers or low posters. which led to a lackluster endgame kinda. no idea on stats

Okay!

##VOTE Kakarroto

Gonna go get brunch with a friend, idk if I'll check the game again before EOD

(dammit Sabi beat me to it, now it looks like I'm sheeping )

[brainbomb]

based on the +1s pyxxy liked all of
kakarrotos posts early game and gave them all a +1

where does pyxxy go from liking the way kak is playing to progressing that kak is OKAY! lets kill this guy sure!