M73 - Fowl Play - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[damo666]

Scumteam
sabi
pyxxy
ghug
and one other person among tfb-eden-rivera

NO
NO
maybe
tfb if the case

[worcej]

Stop this, will you?

Feel free to write as much Ghug/Eden slash fiction as you like in the privacy of your own basement, but don't post it here.

I will stop whenever they stop talking about how hard it has been for them to get along and what not.

https://onlyfans.com/GhugsGrotto

Talk about a link I won't click at work...

[worcej]

Returning to the game, do we assume Brainbomb's roleblock claim is legit since nobody else has claimed it? Or could it be a ruse?

It's BB - assume chaos at all times.

[worcej]

Why I'm voting for you :

The eod thing
The beginning of day stuff irt roleblock
You and Maniac weird connection
Your pattern of announcing afks

Don't act obtuse.

I actually think this part was towny as it was a legit way to see who'd react (including borks like me who hadn't noticed Bob's unusual rule, but also possibly other reactions).

You're the only one who thinks that. It was a way to pr hunt by scum.

Do you think that level of wolfing (probably not using the term correctly here) would be in Chaqa's scum game?

[BesharamSabi]

I actually think this part was towny as it was a legit way to see who'd react (including borks like me who hadn't noticed Bob's unusual rule, but also possibly other reactions).

You're the only one who thinks that. It was a way to pr hunt by scum.

Do you think that level of wolfing (probably not using the term correctly here) would be in Chaqa's scum game?

What is wolfing?

I don't doubt it would not be in his arsenal since he was well aware of how roleblock work in this system and that his own explanation for doing that was weak.

[worcej]

Scumlean me more. Chaqa, as member of kouncil, should have known better when he knew this set up was different

in what scenario does it work as a scum play? say scum purposely roleblocked like, me or pyxxy for optimal chance that we’d make a mistake as PR and claim to be roleblocked since we are newer. If it works and a PR is outed, Chaqa gets insta-eliminated by the vote, and the PR is likely doc saved or something. It’s not a good trade for scum, imo. So I don’t think the motivation is as simple as you seem to

never underestimate scums ability to out a PR and then feign ignorance. Ive done it before. Ive PR claimed as scum to bait a counter claim and then I retracted and just acted like I was trying to protect the real PR

Do you think Jamie may have done something like this with the RB question?

[worcej]

You're the only one who thinks that. It was a way to pr hunt by scum.

Do you think that level of wolfing (probably not using the term correctly here) would be in Chaqa's scum game?

What is wolfing?

I don't doubt it would not be in his arsenal since he was well aware of how roleblock work in this system and that his own explanation for doing that was weak.

From mafia.gg :

Open wolfing – Openly propagating a scum agenda -- never bussing, pushing wagons on town, speed-hammering, preventing discussion, refusing to commit to reads you don't want to, etc.

[BesharamSabi]

Do you think that level of wolfing (probably not using the term correctly here) would be in Chaqa's scum game?

What is wolfing?

I don't doubt it would not be in his arsenal since he was well aware of how roleblock work in this system and that his own explanation for doing that was weak.

From mafia.gg :

Open wolfing – Openly propagating a scum agenda -- never bussing, pushing wagons on town, speed-hammering, preventing discussion, refusing to commit to reads you don't want to, etc.

He was pretty gung ho about hammering today on celaph.

But idk if that means he's open wolfing.

[worcej]

You're the only one who thinks that. It was a way to pr hunt by scum.

Do you think that level of wolfing (probably not using the term correctly here) would be in Chaqa's scum game?

What is wolfing?

I don't doubt it would not be in his arsenal since he was well aware of how roleblock work in this system and that his own explanation for doing that was weak.

Replying to the second part here, but how sure are you that Chaqa was openly aware of something before posting?

If you strongly believe he knew it, are you certain Chaqa would be so brazen as scum to ask that with the intent to see if his teams RB landed on a PR?

[BesharamSabi]

Do you think that level of wolfing (probably not using the term correctly here) would be in Chaqa's scum game?

What is wolfing?

I don't doubt it would not be in his arsenal since he was well aware of how roleblock work in this system and that his own explanation for doing that was weak.

Replying to the second part here, but how sure are you that Chaqa was openly aware of something before posting?

If you strongly believe he knew it, are you certain Chaqa would be so brazen as scum to ask that with the intent to see if his teams RB landed on a PR?

Chaqa, before the game, was discussing the set up for this game with me and Eden and Demon since they were reviewing it for Bob. He talked about the roleblock feature. Since Chaqa is part of the kkkouncil.

[worcej]

My reason for scumreading pyxxy is their selective application of giving +1’s to posts througout the game without interacting with said posts or explaining what they liked about them. It feels like laughing about things without saying why those things would be funny. if you go look at who is giving +1’s there are numerous bizarre instances where pyxxy is liking posts they arent even addressing.

This requires too much effort to do individually - can you reference posts of importance?

[worcej]

What is wolfing?

I don't doubt it would not be in his arsenal since he was well aware of how roleblock work in this system and that his own explanation for doing that was weak.

Replying to the second part here, but how sure are you that Chaqa was openly aware of something before posting?

If you strongly believe he knew it, are you certain Chaqa would be so brazen as scum to ask that with the intent to see if his teams RB landed on a PR?

Chaqa, before the game, was discussing the set up for this game with me and Eden and Demon since they were reviewing it for Bob. He talked about the roleblock feature. Since Chaqa is part of the kkkouncil.

That addresses the first part - what about the second?

[BesharamSabi]

Replying to the second part here, but how sure are you that Chaqa was openly aware of something before posting?

If you strongly believe he knew it, are you certain Chaqa would be so brazen as scum to ask that with the intent to see if his teams RB landed on a PR?

Chaqa, before the game, was discussing the set up for this game with me and Eden and Demon since they were reviewing it for Bob. He talked about the roleblock feature. Since Chaqa is part of the kkkouncil.

That addresses the first part - what about the second?

Yes because this type of roleblock feature hasnt been the norm for a while now so someone, who isn't aware of the new set up, would have said oh wait I was roleblocked and thus putting themselves as pr.

And yes I do think Chaqa is brazen enough to do this as scum. His excuse when he got caught was 100% cap.

[worcej]

anyway let me force myself to be productive and end my morning tirade lol

in sum:

maniac and sabi are scum probs

whoever is town of damo/ghug/bozo need to pick up their play

celaph is still a decent option but like I don’t want this day to be a foregone conclusion that celaph is leaving.

rdr and worcej need to produce as much content as possible plz

I'll try to go back and look, but give me some explanation on the Maniac and sabi stances.

[ghug]

to build upon what snowy pointed out, night solving is a powerful way to sort people because the mafia just don’t get as heavily invested in keeping up appearances during the night. the night phase is when they get to do their planning for how to attack town, and they’re often very busy figuring out how they want to frame the narrative, how they need to use their night actions, scanning the thread for PRs, etc. so naturally, their attention is diverted.

additionally, even on a “bad” day for town (mislynch), town gets a new piece of hard information that can help them figure out the puzzle, as well as a lot of soft information (votes and their movement, particularly near EOD). there’s a lot to unpack for town. but because mafia already knows what happened, it’s not nearly as exciting. town motivation naturally increases.

accordingly, I tend to townread active, solving nightposters more heavily, and in particular tend to be more suspicious of prior nulls who aren’t around.

and with all that in mind, the players jumping off the page as fitting the mafia tendency are:

- celaph
- worcej
- rivera
- Maniac
- damo
- bozo

pyxxy I guess too but he kinda gets a newbie pass imo. he clearly engaged with a lot more of what was going on than the rest of the list. also I feel bad I missed a question from him.

Demon had a low post count but his posts were absolute bangers so there’s nothing to worry about there. everyone else was actively involved in solving in various ways. ghug and Jamie maybe a bit behind the rest, and I think both are experienced enough to know they need to put in some amount of time on it, but still at least showing some amount of investment.

I’m not saying all four mafia are in that list of six but I am saying at least one is. probably multiple. this heuristic won’t catch the team but it will catch some of them, and in the process will force the survivors to go on the record.

I like the theory and think overall at first glance it is sound. My issue is with how you apply it. Your application reminds me of this: https://xkcd.com/1138/

Your set of 6 isn't a set of people who avoided the night, it's just a list of 6 inactive players. They were inactive during the day, they were inactive during the night. That doesn't suggest they're avoiding the night so much as they were just avoiding the game altogether, being lazy, or what have you.

Imo the correct way to look at this is to look at the obvious decreases from day to night.

Celaph is one going from 12th place in posts during the day to dead last at night with zero. Given he claimed that parents weekend kept him busy but he would be active after, one would expect to be able to post at least once during the second half of the night phase given it is a Monday morning to afternoon for him. That didn't happen at all. Very SAI.

Another is Bona. He drops from 4th to 10th. That's a notable drop, but the gap between 10th and 11th is fairly massive and his 16 posts are certainly numerous enough for a night and he did a lot of work with the SIMP spreadsheet. Still considering him town.

Other than those two most people do stay roughly where they are. Maybe less useful than I though given I basically got told an obv scum is obv scum and am disinclined to accept the implication on the latter for fairly substantive reasons. Perhaps the general inactivity chart is better than this attempt in this case because firing shots in the inactive pool generally does turn up a couple scum.

Let's not make "SAI" a thing please.

[worcej]

rather than spam the game with every posy pyxxy gave a +1 too here are three in particular that im curious what they liked from these posts and why they selectively picked these

You should probably start with doing this instead of what you did

[BesharamSabi]

to build upon what snowy pointed out, night solving is a powerful way to sort people because the mafia just don’t get as heavily invested in keeping up appearances during the night. the night phase is when they get to do their planning for how to attack town, and they’re often very busy figuring out how they want to frame the narrative, how they need to use their night actions, scanning the thread for PRs, etc. so naturally, their attention is diverted.

additionally, even on a “bad” day for town (mislynch), town gets a new piece of hard information that can help them figure out the puzzle, as well as a lot of soft information (votes and their movement, particularly near EOD). there’s a lot to unpack for town. but because mafia already knows what happened, it’s not nearly as exciting. town motivation naturally increases.

accordingly, I tend to townread active, solving nightposters more heavily, and in particular tend to be more suspicious of prior nulls who aren’t around.

and with all that in mind, the players jumping off the page as fitting the mafia tendency are:

- celaph
- worcej
- rivera
- Maniac
- damo
- bozo

pyxxy I guess too but he kinda gets a newbie pass imo. he clearly engaged with a lot more of what was going on than the rest of the list. also I feel bad I missed a question from him.

Demon had a low post count but his posts were absolute bangers so there’s nothing to worry about there. everyone else was actively involved in solving in various ways. ghug and Jamie maybe a bit behind the rest, and I think both are experienced enough to know they need to put in some amount of time on it, but still at least showing some amount of investment.

I’m not saying all four mafia are in that list of six but I am saying at least one is. probably multiple. this heuristic won’t catch the team but it will catch some of them, and in the process will force the survivors to go on the record.

I like the theory and think overall at first glance it is sound. My issue is with how you apply it. Your application reminds me of this: https://xkcd.com/1138/

Your set of 6 isn't a set of people who avoided the night, it's just a list of 6 inactive players. They were inactive during the day, they were inactive during the night. That doesn't suggest they're avoiding the night so much as they were just avoiding the game altogether, being lazy, or what have you.

Imo the correct way to look at this is to look at the obvious decreases from day to night.

Celaph is one going from 12th place in posts during the day to dead last at night with zero. Given he claimed that parents weekend kept him busy but he would be active after, one would expect to be able to post at least once during the second half of the night phase given it is a Monday morning to afternoon for him. That didn't happen at all. Very SAI.

Another is Bona. He drops from 4th to 10th. That's a notable drop, but the gap between 10th and 11th is fairly massive and his 16 posts are certainly numerous enough for a night and he did a lot of work with the SIMP spreadsheet. Still considering him town.

Other than those two most people do stay roughly where they are. Maybe less useful than I though given I basically got told an obv scum is obv scum and am disinclined to accept the implication on the latter for fairly substantive reasons. Perhaps the general inactivity chart is better than this attempt in this case because firing shots in the inactive pool generally does turn up a couple scum.

Let's not make "SAI" a thing please.

Why has SAI been a thing this game?

[worcej]

Returning to the game, do we assume Brainbomb's roleblock claim is legit since nobody else has claimed it? Or could it be a ruse?

Assume it's genuine. We always suspect RB claims but I reckon 95%+ turn out legit.

I was not RBd.

This is a townslip, probably

Reading damo is a struggle for me because when he has been scum, his mafia game employs a lot of deception and intelligent moves in the main thread.

I read any 'slip' from damo as a potential fake slip.

[ghug]

I think ghug is saying that he finds brain's newer post as still in the same vein of strange as he felt about the prior one. Not that he likes the post.

No, I liked it. Admittedly suboptimal play is a town thing.

this sort of implies that it is exclusively my responsibility to prove celaph is innocent and to fall short of anything else is poor play. how am I more responsible to play properly and exonerate celaph if their own actions arent event good enough to convince anyone?

the only thing I can actually do is catch scum instead. and even in doing that id have to tilt over 6 voters onto a case which would have to be so airtight and so monumental it would send unprecedented waves through the game

It's always town's job to try to kill scum?

[worcej]

When a player is roleblocked, they will not receive a notification that they were roleblocked. A Cop/Tracker who has their action blocked will receive a message of "Your night action failed". A JOAT who has their action blocked will receive a message of "Your night action failed but you did not expend a charge".

Oh. This is unusual but I should have spotted it.

Apparently I am a moron.

Ignore my question about the roleblock.

So PR brain would not have claimed RB. But then neither would scum brain. So brain just messing about having forgotten he wouldn't get a message. Kinda => brain is VT.

Disagree with the basis of this analysis - brain has made waaaaay to many outrageous claims in the past as both alignments. You've even witnessed many of them yourself.