M73 - Fowl Play - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[snowy801]

hi snowy are you going to acknowledge my rebuttals?

What rebuttals

[BusinessLamp]

yeah Maniac looks rly weird.

in his reads post he says:

I’d need a lot of convincing to vote for sabi, demon or Kakarroto.

which is the only sort of town read in the entire list

He also says that he won't vote celaph, but when asked about it only uses appeals to emotion to justify it, and even says:

Sure they haven’t done anything to help town win the game

When push comes to shove, Maniac votes TFB to try and get momentum there, putting TFB at 5 instead of Chaq/Cel/Kak at 3. Saying "TFB is marginally better than Kak." Ignoring the Chaq/Cel wagons.

Finally he pushes Kak into the lead, suddenly claiming a townread on celaph. This vote makes it 6/5, which celaph then makes 7/5. Basically the deciding factor.

I know this is repetitive of whoever looked at this earlier (Jamie?) but this seems best bet for tomorrow rn

[brainbomb]

hi snowy are you going to acknowledge my rebuttals?

What rebuttals

you have some issue with me having strong opinions to the contrary of someone elses. this isnt the first time youve skirted the line on what is and is not personal character attack. Simply put youve found every way you can get away with in every game to go beyond saying my opinions are irksome to actually saying that I am wrong all the time and that I have no business presenting my
pinions in a strongly worded manner.
And to me it is degrading and insulting the way you talk to me.

[snowy801]

mmm no
afraid not check again bub

You know brainbomb I really hate it when you talk like this

Repeat after me: "I am frequently wrong, but I believe blamp is scum"

Say if a few times and you get to start skipping the frequently wrong part

thats great.
my purpose in life is not to conform to whatever desire you have. So you can probably just get over it.

Well when you're in the habit of saying things like this people will be more inclined to treat you in a way which apparently makes you degraded and insulted

Though feeling that way for asking you to have some common decency is, I think, a separate matter entirely

There's a distinction between certainty and blindness, and all I ask is that you remain cognizant of that line

[DemonRHK]

I was busy? Braincells, operational?

Doesn't track.

Kak, your supposed PR read, was under threat for about the last 3 hours of day. Your only mention of kaka was a single question at Sabi. You stated you were getting a quick bite to eat EoD-40 and your last post, with 13 minutes to go was:

s a d

This is not the reaction of a townie who's PR read is on the block. Then you go on to tut at the game for not doing anything.


Whole many of the others I mentioned will look more or less scummy depending on cel's eventual flip, this play is scummy either way, twice as much if cel is actually town.

[snowy801]

You can tell me reality doesn't track if you want, but that's all I got for you buddy

When I left I saw celaph dying

[brainbomb]

You know brainbomb I really hate it when you talk like this

Repeat after me: "I am frequently wrong, but I believe blamp is scum"

Say if a few times and you get to start skipping the frequently wrong part

thats great.
my purpose in life is not to conform to whatever desire you have. So you can probably just get over it.

Well when you're in the habit of saying things like this people will be more inclined to treat you in a way which apparently makes you degraded and insulted

Though feeling that way for asking you to have some common decency is, I think, a separate matter entirely

There's a distinction between certainty and blindness, and all I ask is that you remain cognizant of that line

Except you didnt ask me to have common decency

you asked me to not present my opinions as fact. and I dont do that.

also I dont need you to coach me on how to play the way you want me to play. it would not make me a better player it would make me a sterile acolyte of whatever it is you want me to be

[BusinessLamp]

okay yeah so i dont think celaph/chaqa are a scumteam because if they are chaqa wouldnt leave the TFB wagon to vote for me and leave celaph at 4/4 instead of 5/4

and then if celaph is town, i dont think Chaqa!scum would make that last minute switch? probably?

so therefore chaqa is town?

[snowy801]

okay yeah so i dont think celaph/chaqa are a scumteam because if they are chaqa wouldnt leave the TFB wagon to vote for me and leave celaph at 4/4 instead of 5/4

and then if celaph is town, i dont think Chaqa!scum would make that last minute switch? probably?

so therefore chaqa is town?

More likely scum I think

[brainbomb]

no one is worse off for a debate about another players alignment where one side blanket says someone is town and gives no reason as to why and (in this example) my response is hold on nope I disagree with this being passed through the doorway as clean

[BusinessLamp]

okay yeah so i dont think celaph/chaqa are a scumteam because if they are chaqa wouldnt leave the TFB wagon to vote for me and leave celaph at 4/4 instead of 5/4

and then if celaph is town, i dont think Chaqa!scum would make that last minute switch? probably?

so therefore chaqa is town?

More likely scum I think

gonna need more than that lol

[brainbomb]

I was arguing the alacrity being utilized to force through a townread on someone who had been under scrutiny for admittedly all the wrong talking points day one but the question about business lamp being town is being settled before our eyes anyway so I will rest my case on the subject. I do think the bigger issue is Eden blanketing through a townread with no stated reason and expecting us to just eat it and swallow it. he did this with ghug as well.

[snowy801]

okay yeah so i dont think celaph/chaqa are a scumteam because if they are chaqa wouldnt leave the TFB wagon to vote for me and leave celaph at 4/4 instead of 5/4

and then if celaph is town, i dont think Chaqa!scum would make that last minute switch? probably?

so therefore chaqa is town?

More likely scum I think

gonna need more than that lol

Suppose celaph is town for a moment (cheers m8 eden's crying)
Why would scum Chaqa not do what he did there?

[BusinessLamp]

for admittedly all the wrong talking points day one

and a little bit of my sanity is restored lol

[BusinessLamp]

Suppose celaph is town for a moment (cheers m8 eden's crying)
Why would scum Chaqa not do what he did there?

if the flip is successful he comes under heat more i would think. I don't see a lot of gain from it. like maybe he gets less heat late-game from people analyzing the Kak vote since he's no longer on it, they'll forget that he was. it just feels unnecessary as a scum move

[snowy801]

Suppose celaph is town for a moment (cheers m8 eden's crying)
Why would scum Chaqa not do what he did there?

if the flip is successful he comes under heat more i would think. I don't see a lot of gain from it. like maybe he gets less heat late-game from people analyzing the Kak vote since he's no longer on it, they'll forget that he was. it just feels unnecessary as a scum move

Perhaps that is exactly what he hoped you would feel

I remember a few games back when he started waiving a vig gun willy nilly I was like "scum wouldn't do that" but he did

[brainbomb]

Is anyone else being struck by how different Blamp is from last game?

I think he rolled his first scum game :D

does your scumread on chaqa relate to a feeling that this was a cheap shot? or opportunistic?

because at the time it was said I agreed with chaqa somewhat. In fact I was the first person who originally felt you were a great reread from last game and I wasnt seeing much in comparison at the time.

[BusinessLamp]

i just think scum in general try to blend in more, whereas chaqa's moving and shaking with his votes is more of a town instinct to me

[Chaqa]

okay yeah so i dont think celaph/chaqa are a scumteam because if they are chaqa wouldnt leave the TFB wagon to vote for me and leave celaph at 4/4 instead of 5/4

and then if celaph is town, i dont think Chaqa!scum would make that last minute switch? probably?

so therefore chaqa is town?

Town points for analysis that is missing an obvious: I could be scum and celaph could be town, which would mean none of the wagonomics really matter much unless TFB is my teammate.

[snowy801]

i just think scum in general try to blend in more, whereas chaqa's moving and shaking with his votes is more of a town instinct to me

It is certainly possible that this is true

I merely caution you against relying on it