M73 - Fowl Play - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[Jamiet99uk]

the fact sabi never even thought they might be miller while making bets about how theyd flip are one of many countless examples of false martyrdom that doesnt equal out to how hard theyre fighting to live while also claiming they just wanna die or wanna be subbed

There's no miller's in this set up.

You are wrong. There is a Miller in this setup.

From the OP:

SETUP INFORMATION

M73 is an open setup. There are 15 members of the town and 4 members of the mafia. Note that I have dropped the Watcher and a Goon from the original setup due to a lower number of players.

Town
1 Cop
1 Doctor
1 JOAT
1 Miller (unaware)
11 Vanilla town

I have used colour to highlight where the GM said the setup contains a Miller.

[brainbomb]

##vote damo

incorrect sir
0 points

Overruled by Doctor Zauis
1000 points

[BusinessLamp]

yikes where is all this TFB momentum coming from

[Jamiet99uk]

I'd be willing to vote Snowy.

He seems a bit off.

[snowy801]

yikes where is all this TFB momentum coming from

[President Eden]

I don’t think it’s my place to discuss civ 6 drama in mafia

so now you’re saying you knew Kak was gone because he was upset and you intentionally ignored it in trying to shade him? am I reading this right?

No. I don’t think him being upset in civ had any factors in the mafia game. Stop misreading what I said.

that’s very much NOT a misread. you DID know he was upset after the civ game. you were openly decrying how hard it is to put good work into mafia when you’re upset. yet it never crosses your mind that that might be true for him?

[celaph]

well let me clarify, he seems to think you’re sus Lamp, but there’s no actual explanation of it anywhere

my reads after first skim are that I stan Eden

Why do you stan Eden? I agree with Sabi's earlier comments that it's incredibly bizarre how a full half of your posts have been focused on dem and yet your primary read take away is from about Eden.

[brainbomb]

yikes where is all this TFB momentum coming from

gonna laugh when this is scum and their phone story was all true and was always NAI and theyd already seen role pm on their own phone before even going out

[BesharamSabi]

so now you’re saying you knew Kak was gone because he was upset and you intentionally ignored it in trying to shade him? am I reading this right?

No. I don’t think him being upset in civ had any factors in the mafia game. Stop misreading what I said.

that’s very much NOT a misread. you DID know he was upset after the civ game. you were openly decrying how hard it is to put good work into mafia when you’re upset. yet it never crosses your mind that that might be true for him?

I will be honest with you, it did not cross my mind.

[Jamiet99uk]

Sabi why did you say there are no millers?

[Jamiet99uk]

What if Sabi is the Flipper?

[snowy801]

brb munching

[Chaqa]

Absolutely. Your posts on Sabi were not good and kept running along the same track of you believing Sabi was not putting in effort or contributing and I think their screenshot of their spreadsheet shows they are legitimately trying hard. Your OMGUS is doing you zero favors here Chaqa.

It’s OMGUS in the literal sense of you sucking right now. I’m not tunneled on Sabi, I don’t have Sabi in my POE, I’m not voting Sabi, and I don’t particularly scumread Sabi.

I want to vote celaph, but I think we could give him another day to shape up. Failing that, I’m thinking someone low post or low effort, though I need to think a little more about who that would be.

As usual, I have more town reads than scum reads, so it’s less who I want to vote for and more who I don’t - namely Eden, Snowy, brain, Bona for now.

C'mon Chaqa...

I think Sabi is mafia, mostly because of a lack of sincerity or effort.

Notes from catchup:



Sabi is not contributing in a constructive way, but is at least posting somewhat relevant things as opposed to absolute nonsense. That said, I can't see a town mindset for most of it, so I think Sabi is a solid vote. Sabi pushing on/pointing out Blamp makes me think both are not scum together.

Having caught up, ##Vote Sabi

Would also vote celaph or Demon.

It's honestly hilarious because Chaqa is voting me after supposedly catching up but missed all my explanations.

I guess that makes me scummy since he didn't read all the posts.

I read all your posts, albeit skimming most to get caught up. I don't recall any credible or reasonable explanations. Care to link?

tbh I'm down to kill Sabi just to not have to listen to this self weeping anymore

Congratulations, you just became my top town read

You have got to be kidding me with this shit Chaqa. Perhaps tunneling was overly strong given what BB is doing, but you can't pretend that you haven't been going hard after Sabi and from a quick look at that the bot you haven't mentioned any change of heart and only changed your vote after Eden told you to at which point you jokingly voted Eden.

All of the Sabi posts are from yesterday. Claiming I’m tunneling is silly.

Ill make sure to mention to you every change in opinion I am having from now on.

@TFB - I now currently think you are scum.

[BesharamSabi]

Sabi why did you say there are no millers?

When I read set up I didn't see it. I apparently also asked macca why there was no miller's in the set up. So I dunno.

[DemonRHK]

Did someone put something into sabi's coffee while I wasn't here? That's some incredible tone shift there. I'm surprised how sabi could see the things with how they went yesterday, I was absolutely upset and about to explode. Did need a big break after that, luckily it's Fasching so at least I've calmed down from that. Also surprised Demon didn't mention anything in that regard, both of them get a very big for that.

I couldn't read all the pages in detail just now, didn't come back as soon as I had hoped, but I think I've gotten some good information from what have happened.

-) my longvoters are a bit strange, I'm not sure if I'd say bad town or mafia trying to get a low hanging fruit, should be more clear in the next days however. The boat trying to misread my comment towards him is a bit strange, like he wants to tell a story. But yeah, just could be boat being boat and read something into it that isn't there.

-) "would mafia eden defend me at this point?" - I think not, especially not in the way eden did it. I don't think he would gain any special town cred if I am the D1 target with his behaviour. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure this here is town eden trying to prevent a mistake from what he has seen.

I don't think it's my place to discuss civ 6 drama in mafia

Picking kak out of a hat of lurkers was awfully continent though.

Which is why I questioned your motives.

Also, mafia is about mafia. Outside factors should not play a factor, just as you shouldn't hate tunnel from one dip game to another just to get back at someone though.

For real, every Civ game from now on gets Dynamic Turn Timers.

[Chaqa]

Is anyone else being struck by how different Blamp is from last game?

I think he rolled his first scum game :D

[Chaqa]

Did someone put something into sabi's coffee while I wasn't here? That's some incredible tone shift there. I'm surprised how sabi could see the things with how they went yesterday, I was absolutely upset and about to explode. Did need a big break after that, luckily it's Fasching so at least I've calmed down from that. Also surprised Demon didn't mention anything in that regard, both of them get a very big for that.

I couldn't read all the pages in detail just now, didn't come back as soon as I had hoped, but I think I've gotten some good information from what have happened.

-) my longvoters are a bit strange, I'm not sure if I'd say bad town or mafia trying to get a low hanging fruit, should be more clear in the next days however. The boat trying to misread my comment towards him is a bit strange, like he wants to tell a story. But yeah, just could be boat being boat and read something into it that isn't there.

-) "would mafia eden defend me at this point?" - I think not, especially not in the way eden did it. I don't think he would gain any special town cred if I am the D1 target with his behaviour. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure this here is town eden trying to prevent a mistake from what he has seen.

I don't think it's my place to discuss civ 6 drama in mafia

Picking kak out of a hat of lurkers was awfully continent though.

Which is why I questioned your motives.

Also, mafia is about mafia. Outside factors should not play a factor, just as you shouldn't hate tunnel from one dip game to another just to get back at someone though.

For real, every Civ game from now on gets Dynamic Turn Timers.

We always play with Dynamic turn timers. What doofus forgot to turn them on?

[President Eden]

Is anyone else being struck by how different Blamp is from last game?

I think he rolled his first scum game :D

with the caveat that I didn’t follow last game overly closely from an alignment hunting standpoint, I don’t see this. might be worth you going over in more detail at some point soon

[brainbomb]

im on the worldview of a damo-blamp-sabi-cel scumteam

[TheFlyingBoat]

@snowy refn. this post for why not Boat today IMO:

thoughts on wagons
- the time for joke voting and pressure voting is over. if you wanted to pressure vote somebody you should have done it 8+ hours ago to ensure they had time to see it. your votes should exclusively be trying to hit mafia.
- Kak has town paranoia in his one content post. voting him is more or less equivalent to voting any other low-poster, except he has this one post that has a lot of town paranoia in it. if Kak is genuinely your top scumread then you have an hour and a half to do better.
- celaph is a good wagon because he’s still being very surface-level and not engaging with stuff. maybe I’m being self-centered but that conversation he had with Sabi RE: me still felt a lot to me like someone who didn’t really give a shit about the topic or the conclusions and was just talking to look productive.
- Demon is a good wagon because this guy is just obviously not actually reading the game and throwing out really silly halfhearted gotchas in an effort to deflect attention away from him. but if I’m being 100% honest probably worse wagon than celaph.
- Chaqa and Boat are fine wagons in the abstract but they’ve both had reactions to various things happening rn that leave me wanting more time to work them out, so I’d rather not.

imma
##UNVOTE
##VOTE celaph

I think complaining about my vote (or damo’s for that matter) on Kak would be quite silly given that he clearly saw my post and damo’s vote was also a long time ago. I think you’re reading too much into Kak’s town paranoia here, but I can understand why given he literally only had one real post. I don’t understand why you don’t seem to care at all that his response to being told to help town was basically to say lol nah and bounce and never come back. Lfischl has been more active than this and gotten more shit than Kak has.

Celaph isn’t a bad wagon either, though his excuse for a lack of activity, while way worse than Carnival is also way better than Kak’s so if we’re killing people for weak contributions I’d rather go after Kak. Agreed that some of his posts strike me as fluffy and carefree but funnily enough not the one you mentioned.

Demon imo is actually a better wagon than Celaph but still worse than Kak, and I think you might be overcorrecting here in attempt to take out your bias.

I find Chaqa’s tunneling on Sabi mildly concerning and seems like scum trying to force an easy kill on Sabi who I’m inclined to believe is town.

Right now I’m leaning towards a scum pool of like Kak, Celaph, Chaqa, Snowy, and Demon based on what I’ve seen D1. When someone mentioned Snowy’s post count I was stunned since I found almost none of it memorable and after a quick ISO I was blown away by how un-Snowy it was. Normally he’d be much more useful by now. Don’t want to kill him though as I have hopes he’ll get back to normal soon.

@Boat

- I think webdip towns have a habit of going “X did something that’s bad for town, so X must be mafia” when in fact said thing that’s bad for town is not particularly alignment-indicative. I don’t dispute that Kak’s low participation is bad for town. what I dispute is that it makes him suspicious. I also don’t dispute that he’s in a POE of possible mafia and that the longer he’s in it, the less likely it is that he should be taken out of it except through a flip. what I dispute is that this is the best possible vote day 1.
and obviously I wouldn’t be saying this much in his defense if I didn’t feel fairly convinced that his paranoia in his post came from town. but I do, so I want to avoid a mislynch, even on a townie who is “playing bad.”

- the reason why I want celaph and not Kak is because I put stock in Kak’s one post that was game relevant as making him townie. “towniness” is not a number that you increase by posting about the game, and not all posts are created equal. Kak’s one post was more exonerating for me than all of celaph’s to this point.

- I concur RE: Demon.

- I am not sure Chaqa is tunneling on Sabi, but am interested to hear your thoughts.

- I concur RE: snowy and I like that you pointed it out.

This explanation of Kak and your post about trying to separate Council from in game stuff makes my read of you go back to normal, thanks. I think I disagree with how much credibility you give his one post as I think forging one post is infinitely harder than forging multiple, but I can see why you are willing to give kak the benefit of the doubt.