M73 - Fowl Play - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[Chaqa]

sabi leans heavily on that I was gonna kill them no matter what

and I recall being told im flip flopping on sabi
and that im tunneling sabi

I just think we should kill sabi?
if that clears up my stance on the matter

Sounds like you’re tunneling Sabi

[brainbomb]

sabi leans heavily on that I was gonna kill them no matter what

and I recall being told im flip flopping on sabi
and that im tunneling sabi

I just think we should kill sabi?
if that clears up my stance on the matter

Sounds like you’re tunneling Sabi

shit
##Unvote

##vote Sabi

[President Eden]

why have you totally given up on that sabi is maf trying an exhaustive strategy of endless emotions and game drowning questions that do nothing to advance anything — coupled with every single read of theirs is based on shit from among us or parroting what some other person said

to be completely truthful with you brain I don’t have an ironclad logical reason why I think it can’t be that. just from knowing Sabi, I don’t think that’s it.

if it really is an intentional strategy of endless appeals to emotion to wear us out psychologically, then without implying any kind of threat, I would very strongly prefer that such tactics not be a part of webdip mafia. but I don’t think that’s what’s happening here.

youd advocate that post filling with emotional appeals should be disallowed because it isnt fair? fuck balki would probably join the earth liberation front if that went down

remind me about this postgame because I feel explaining my stance on this could be misconstrued as a threat based on my position on the council, and I very much don’t want that.

suffice to say that I have no specific reason why you have to be wrong and I think your position on Sabi is fair. at the end of the day I just think they’re town despite all that and think there are better targets.

[BesharamSabi]

So what's everyone most noteworthy snowy post so far this game?

[Chaqa]

thoughts on wagons
- the time for joke voting and pressure voting is over. if you wanted to pressure vote somebody you should have done it 8+ hours ago to ensure they had time to see it. your votes should exclusively be trying to hit mafia.
- Kak has town paranoia in his one content post. voting him is more or less equivalent to voting any other low-poster, except he has this one post that has a lot of town paranoia in it. if Kak is genuinely your top scumread then you have an hour and a half to do better.
- celaph is a good wagon because he’s still being very surface-level and not engaging with stuff. maybe I’m being self-centered but that conversation he had with Sabi RE: me still felt a lot to me like someone who didn’t really give a shit about the topic or the conclusions and was just talking to look productive.
- Demon is a good wagon because this guy is just obviously not actually reading the game and throwing out really silly halfhearted gotchas in an effort to deflect attention away from him. but if I’m being 100% honest probably worse wagon than celaph.
- Chaqa and Boat are fine wagons in the abstract but they’ve both had reactions to various things happening rn that leave me wanting more time to work them out, so I’d rather not.

imma
##UNVOTE
##VOTE celaph

I think complaining about my vote (or damo's for that matter) on Kak would be quite silly given that he clearly saw my post and damo's vote was also a long time ago. I think you're reading too much into Kak's town paranoia here, but I can understand why given he literally only had one real post. I don't understand why you don't seem to care at all that his response to being told to help town was basically to say lol nah and bounce and never come back. Lfischl has been more active than this and gotten more shit than Kak has.

Celaph isn't a bad wagon either, though his excuse for a lack of activity, while way worse than Carnival is also way better than Kak's so if we're killing people for weak contributions I'd rather go after Kak. Agreed that some of his posts strike me as fluffy and carefree but funnily enough not the one you mentioned.

Demon imo is actually a better wagon than Celaph but still worse than Kak, and I think you might be overcorrecting here in attempt to take out your bias.

I find Chaqa's tunneling on Sabi mildly concerning and seems like scum trying to force an easy kill on Sabi who I'm inclined to believe is town.

Right now I'm leaning towards a scum pool of like Kak, Celaph, Chaqa, Snowy, and Demon based on what I've seen D1. When someone mentioned Snowy's post count I was stunned since I found almost none of it memorable and after a quick ISO I was blown away by how un-Snowy it was. Normally he'd be much more useful by now. Don't want to kill him though as I have hopes he'll get back to normal soon.

Excuse me?

How am I, out of everyone, tunneled on Sabi?

Are you even reading the same game?


##Vote TFB

[TheFlyingBoat]

in my heart of hearts I feel similarly, but I want to hit mafia much more

why have you totally given up on that sabi is maf trying an exhaustive strategy of endless emotions and game drowning questions that do nothing to advance anything — coupled with every single read of theirs is based on shit from among us or parroting what some other person said

to be completely truthful with you brain I don’t have an ironclad logical reason why I think it can’t be that. just from knowing Sabi, I don’t think that’s it.

if it really is an intentional strategy of endless appeals to emotion to wear us out psychologically, then without implying any kind of threat, I would very strongly prefer that such tactics not be a part of webdip mafia. but I don’t think that’s what’s happening here.

I was pretty strongly town reading you and still am townreading you, albeit less so, but this seems really sus. I need to reread your and Sabi's interactions as I'm less confident I was right initially now that it was just you coaching them which indicates Town you and NAI on Sabi (and I think Sabi is town for other reasons).

[brainbomb]

to be completely truthful with you brain I don’t have an ironclad logical reason why I think it can’t be that. just from knowing Sabi, I don’t think that’s it.

if it really is an intentional strategy of endless appeals to emotion to wear us out psychologically, then without implying any kind of threat, I would very strongly prefer that such tactics not be a part of webdip mafia. but I don’t think that’s what’s happening here.

youd advocate that post filling with emotional appeals should be disallowed because it isnt fair? fuck balki would probably join the earth liberation front if that went down

remind me about this postgame because I feel explaining my stance on this could be misconstrued as a threat based on my position on the council, and I very much don’t want that.

suffice to say that I have no specific reason why you have to be wrong and I think your position on Sabi is fair. at the end of the day I just think they’re town despite all that and think there are better targets.

there arent better targets
because even the worst case scenario for town here is the also the worst person from scums perspective to have be dead. and this is true regardless of if sabi is truly a vt or not

the fact sabi never even thought they might be miller while making bets about how theyd flip are one of many countless examples of false martyrdom that doesnt equal out to how hard theyre fighting to live while also claiming they just wanna die or wanna be subbed

[BesharamSabi]

youd advocate that post filling with emotional appeals should be disallowed because it isnt fair? fuck balki would probably join the earth liberation front if that went down

remind me about this postgame because I feel explaining my stance on this could be misconstrued as a threat based on my position on the council, and I very much don’t want that.

suffice to say that I have no specific reason why you have to be wrong and I think your position on Sabi is fair. at the end of the day I just think they’re town despite all that and think there are better targets.

there arent better targets
because even the worst case scenario for town here is the also the worst person from scums perspective to have be dead. and this is true regardless of if sabi is truly a vt or not

the fact sabi never even thought they might be miller while making bets about how theyd flip are one of many countless examples of false martyrdom that doesnt equal out to how hard theyre fighting to live while also claiming they just wanna die or wanna be subbed

There's no miller's in this set up.

[TheFlyingBoat]

thoughts on wagons
- the time for joke voting and pressure voting is over. if you wanted to pressure vote somebody you should have done it 8+ hours ago to ensure they had time to see it. your votes should exclusively be trying to hit mafia.
- Kak has town paranoia in his one content post. voting him is more or less equivalent to voting any other low-poster, except he has this one post that has a lot of town paranoia in it. if Kak is genuinely your top scumread then you have an hour and a half to do better.
- celaph is a good wagon because he’s still being very surface-level and not engaging with stuff. maybe I’m being self-centered but that conversation he had with Sabi RE: me still felt a lot to me like someone who didn’t really give a shit about the topic or the conclusions and was just talking to look productive.
- Demon is a good wagon because this guy is just obviously not actually reading the game and throwing out really silly halfhearted gotchas in an effort to deflect attention away from him. but if I’m being 100% honest probably worse wagon than celaph.
- Chaqa and Boat are fine wagons in the abstract but they’ve both had reactions to various things happening rn that leave me wanting more time to work them out, so I’d rather not.

imma
##UNVOTE
##VOTE celaph

I think complaining about my vote (or damo's for that matter) on Kak would be quite silly given that he clearly saw my post and damo's vote was also a long time ago. I think you're reading too much into Kak's town paranoia here, but I can understand why given he literally only had one real post. I don't understand why you don't seem to care at all that his response to being told to help town was basically to say lol nah and bounce and never come back. Lfischl has been more active than this and gotten more shit than Kak has.

Celaph isn't a bad wagon either, though his excuse for a lack of activity, while way worse than Carnival is also way better than Kak's so if we're killing people for weak contributions I'd rather go after Kak. Agreed that some of his posts strike me as fluffy and carefree but funnily enough not the one you mentioned.

Demon imo is actually a better wagon than Celaph but still worse than Kak, and I think you might be overcorrecting here in attempt to take out your bias.

I find Chaqa's tunneling on Sabi mildly concerning and seems like scum trying to force an easy kill on Sabi who I'm inclined to believe is town.

Right now I'm leaning towards a scum pool of like Kak, Celaph, Chaqa, Snowy, and Demon based on what I've seen D1. When someone mentioned Snowy's post count I was stunned since I found almost none of it memorable and after a quick ISO I was blown away by how un-Snowy it was. Normally he'd be much more useful by now. Don't want to kill him though as I have hopes he'll get back to normal soon.

Excuse me?

How am I, out of everyone, tunneled on Sabi?

Are you even reading the same game?


##Vote TFB

Absolutely. Your posts on Sabi were not good and kept running along the same track of you believing Sabi was not putting in effort or contributing and I think their screenshot of their spreadsheet shows they are legitimately trying hard. Your OMGUS is doing you zero favors here Chaqa.

[snowy801]

based

##vote thetfbboat

[President Eden]

@snowy refn. this post for why not Boat today IMO:

thoughts on wagons
- the time for joke voting and pressure voting is over. if you wanted to pressure vote somebody you should have done it 8+ hours ago to ensure they had time to see it. your votes should exclusively be trying to hit mafia.
- Kak has town paranoia in his one content post. voting him is more or less equivalent to voting any other low-poster, except he has this one post that has a lot of town paranoia in it. if Kak is genuinely your top scumread then you have an hour and a half to do better.
- celaph is a good wagon because he’s still being very surface-level and not engaging with stuff. maybe I’m being self-centered but that conversation he had with Sabi RE: me still felt a lot to me like someone who didn’t really give a shit about the topic or the conclusions and was just talking to look productive.
- Demon is a good wagon because this guy is just obviously not actually reading the game and throwing out really silly halfhearted gotchas in an effort to deflect attention away from him. but if I’m being 100% honest probably worse wagon than celaph.
- Chaqa and Boat are fine wagons in the abstract but they’ve both had reactions to various things happening rn that leave me wanting more time to work them out, so I’d rather not.

imma
##UNVOTE
##VOTE celaph

I think complaining about my vote (or damo’s for that matter) on Kak would be quite silly given that he clearly saw my post and damo’s vote was also a long time ago. I think you’re reading too much into Kak’s town paranoia here, but I can understand why given he literally only had one real post. I don’t understand why you don’t seem to care at all that his response to being told to help town was basically to say lol nah and bounce and never come back. Lfischl has been more active than this and gotten more shit than Kak has.

Celaph isn’t a bad wagon either, though his excuse for a lack of activity, while way worse than Carnival is also way better than Kak’s so if we’re killing people for weak contributions I’d rather go after Kak. Agreed that some of his posts strike me as fluffy and carefree but funnily enough not the one you mentioned.

Demon imo is actually a better wagon than Celaph but still worse than Kak, and I think you might be overcorrecting here in attempt to take out your bias.

I find Chaqa’s tunneling on Sabi mildly concerning and seems like scum trying to force an easy kill on Sabi who I’m inclined to believe is town.

Right now I’m leaning towards a scum pool of like Kak, Celaph, Chaqa, Snowy, and Demon based on what I’ve seen D1. When someone mentioned Snowy’s post count I was stunned since I found almost none of it memorable and after a quick ISO I was blown away by how un-Snowy it was. Normally he’d be much more useful by now. Don’t want to kill him though as I have hopes he’ll get back to normal soon.

@Boat

- I think webdip towns have a habit of going “X did something that’s bad for town, so X must be mafia” when in fact said thing that’s bad for town is not particularly alignment-indicative. I don’t dispute that Kak’s low participation is bad for town. what I dispute is that it makes him suspicious. I also don’t dispute that he’s in a POE of possible mafia and that the longer he’s in it, the less likely it is that he should be taken out of it except through a flip. what I dispute is that this is the best possible vote day 1.
and obviously I wouldn’t be saying this much in his defense if I didn’t feel fairly convinced that his paranoia in his post came from town. but I do, so I want to avoid a mislynch, even on a townie who is “playing bad.”

- the reason why I want celaph and not Kak is because I put stock in Kak’s one post that was game relevant as making him townie. “towniness” is not a number that you increase by posting about the game, and not all posts are created equal. Kak’s one post was more exonerating for me than all of celaph’s to this point.

- I concur RE: Demon.

- I am not sure Chaqa is tunneling on Sabi, but am interested to hear your thoughts.

- I concur RE: snowy and I like that you pointed it out.

[President Eden]

based

##vote thetfbboat

fucking lol

[BesharamSabi]

So what's everyone most noteworthy snowy post so far this game?

I guess there has been nothing. Hm

[Chaqa]

I think complaining about my vote (or damo's for that matter) on Kak would be quite silly given that he clearly saw my post and damo's vote was also a long time ago. I think you're reading too much into Kak's town paranoia here, but I can understand why given he literally only had one real post. I don't understand why you don't seem to care at all that his response to being told to help town was basically to say lol nah and bounce and never come back. Lfischl has been more active than this and gotten more shit than Kak has.

Celaph isn't a bad wagon either, though his excuse for a lack of activity, while way worse than Carnival is also way better than Kak's so if we're killing people for weak contributions I'd rather go after Kak. Agreed that some of his posts strike me as fluffy and carefree but funnily enough not the one you mentioned.

Demon imo is actually a better wagon than Celaph but still worse than Kak, and I think you might be overcorrecting here in attempt to take out your bias.

I find Chaqa's tunneling on Sabi mildly concerning and seems like scum trying to force an easy kill on Sabi who I'm inclined to believe is town.

Right now I'm leaning towards a scum pool of like Kak, Celaph, Chaqa, Snowy, and Demon based on what I've seen D1. When someone mentioned Snowy's post count I was stunned since I found almost none of it memorable and after a quick ISO I was blown away by how un-Snowy it was. Normally he'd be much more useful by now. Don't want to kill him though as I have hopes he'll get back to normal soon.

Excuse me?

How am I, out of everyone, tunneled on Sabi?

Are you even reading the same game?


##Vote TFB

Absolutely. Your posts on Sabi were not good and kept running along the same track of you believing Sabi was not putting in effort or contributing and I think their screenshot of their spreadsheet shows they are legitimately trying hard. Your OMGUS is doing you zero favors here Chaqa.

It’s OMGUS in the literal sense of you sucking right now. I’m not tunneled on Sabi, I don’t have Sabi in my POE, I’m not voting Sabi, and I don’t particularly scumread Sabi.

I want to vote celaph, but I think we could give him another day to shape up. Failing that, I’m thinking someone low post or low effort, though I need to think a little more about who that would be.

As usual, I have more town reads than scum reads, so it’s less who I want to vote for and more who I don’t - namely Eden, Snowy, brain, Bona for now.

[Bonatogether]

gonna go do hw

will check in before EOD, hopefully

celaph wagon preferred, then sabi, then boat man (only so i dont have to read his wallposts)

dont kill kak, jamie, or the Cej

[President Eden]

ok im gonna keep it real I only don’t sus snowy because I think he’s sandbagging to avoid a nightkill.

but at the same time I feel like enough other people have obvtowned that he shouldn’t be worrying about that.

so I’m not really sure what to do with him.

[brainbomb]

people fighting hardest for sabi survival have a much higher net likliehood of being scum.

[snowy801]

based

##vote thetfbboat

fucking lol

You know you want to

I mean just just do some quick maffs eh

I am town just off random chance like 80% of the time

When town I am 100% right

You are town 80% of the time too

When town you are 0% right

Ergo it is at least 100% of the times better to sheep me unless you are scum

Check my work damo, but it is clearly flawless

[President Eden]

gonna go do hw

will check in before EOD, hopefully

celaph wagon preferred, then sabi, then boat man (only so i dont have to read his wallposts)

dont kill kak, jamie, or the Cej

you’re grounded from homework for the next hour son

[snowy801]

ok im gonna keep it real I only don’t sus snowy because I think he’s sandbagging to avoid a nightkill.

but at the same time I feel like enough other people have obvtowned that he shouldn’t be worrying about that.

so I’m not really sure what to do with him.

Who obvtowned?

So far I only know of damo