M73 - Fowl Play - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[BesharamSabi]

really of all the posts of mine to use as a reason to move a vote off of me you choose the one thing I could just fake?

Eden is known to fall for fake townslip tbf

[snowy801]

Hi Kaka

How's living near the d-d-danger zone

[BesharamSabi]

Question for the class:

If someone says they are going to be an asshole this game and make it unenjoyable for anyone and if we have a problem we should suck it, is this anti-town?

I think this is a reference to me.

I did not say that I was going to make things unenjoyable, that is a distortion of the things which I said.

Why are you tunnelling me so much?

Because you came into this game as an asshole. I would have dropped my annoyance from sign up thread if you weren't being an ass towards Bob and Maniac.

Again I am not scum reading you. I'm just annoyed.

[BesharamSabi]

##vote TheFlyingEpicPoggersLightningMemeMan

HI snowy,

Why are you voting for boatman?

What of his posts pinged your interest?

[snowy801]

I'm sure he deserves it
I just don't know why yet

[President Eden]

What about any of my questions to Snowy did you find to be forced? And how do you feel about the answers I was given? Was there any part of you that thought that snowy had any motive at all in that interaction?

in order:
- it was tone/emotion, it felt like someone who wasn’t sure how to approach a potentially combative comment from a town without giving up that they had more info. idk how to describe it better. concededly there’s really nothing you can say in your defense on that front regardless of whether that read was correct.
- if I’m honest I kind of quietly townleaned snowy by proxy but that doesn’t really make sense. his answer and indeed the bulk of if not all his posting this game is NAI imo, or at least none of it jumped out to me.
- if you wanted to find a mafia motive, you could argue that Sabi and snowy are mafia together and snowy wanted to deflect attention away from Sabi, but on reading it I kinda just thought he was teasing you which is NAI behavior. I will feel dumb if you are correctly calling out an m/m interaction and I’m just kind of glossing over it but I didn’t get that feeling. granted, I was mostly focused on you, so it’s more likely I’d miss it.

With being a dad and working alot, plus my dnd group my time is pretty limited but I could give it a shot. who plays in it?

Chaqa, Sabi, and Kak among the people playing mafia here. (not me lol) plus a couple of other officially certified Cool KidsTM. I’ll hit you up ab it

[Jamiet99uk]

Alright im gonna go hide from the game thread again for a while and hope this pressure on me disappears because of how much ive added to the game.

##Unvote

[brainbomb]

If you pride yourself on living up to the standard of pursuing a preponderance of evidence it makes more sense to follow that evidence to its natural conclusion long term.

The short term a person can easily be shifted this way or that way to some other dreamland of thinking. A person doesnt forget their instincts or why they felt a certain way, unless that feeling was all just faked and postured.

Scum will claim to think a certain way and then later think a completely different way about something because the circumstances change for why they feel the way they did. Scum always fit their opinions to meet the situation because doing anything else does towns work for them.

[President Eden]

really of all the posts of mine to use as a reason to move a vote off of me you choose the one thing I could just fake?

I quoted those posts specifically because they were the exact turning point, but it’s more of a buildup from the last couple of pages.

[brainbomb]

Can we talk about the only post by Bozo being an unvote and has this been done before?

Is that a new wrinkle?

[President Eden]

If you pride yourself on living up to the standard of pursuing a preponderance of evidence it makes more sense to follow that evidence to its natural conclusion long term.

The short term a person can easily be shifted this way or that way to some other dreamland of thinking. A person doesnt forget their instincts or why they felt a certain way, unless that feeling was all just faked and postured.

Scum will claim to think a certain way and then later think a completely different way about something because the circumstances change for why they feel the way they did. Scum always fit their opinions to meet the situation because doing anything else does towns work for them.

if you miss my vote that badly I can just put it back

yes you could have faked an observation about Lamp maybe not knowing his teammates due to not being able to sign into Discord. in fact, yes you could have faked an entire progression of being curious about why Lamp singled out Demon when several other posters fit Lamp’s rationale for voting Demon, questioned Lamp about his alibi in the way you did while being mafia, and then faked being curious as to why I valued that fake progression and unvoted you.

I just think it’s a little more likely than not (say 60/40) that you didn’t fake all that and are just town.

[ghug]

I think you should ask them now

##UNVOTE brainbomb
##VOTE BesharamSabi

Can someone pull a bozo and tell us what it means when Eden pairs all his votes with unvotes?

He said he thinks it draws attention to whomever he is moving his vote away from, as well as the recipient of the new vote.

Whether this is alignment indicative for Eden... I doubt it?

He definitely doesn't always do it like he claimed.

[ghug]

oh bummer, I was ready to townlean you

town pass denied but you can have some compensatory +1s

I think I like this post even though I hate it.

What do you hate about it?

The words. The +1s. The projection of personal import.

[ghug]

I think it's odd he pointed pyxxy and blamp as the two non posters when there's countless others.

Also pyxxy first game of mafia. Like let him post before you want to eliminate him smh.

It was the other part that offended me.

I apologize for that. Why does it offend you? If I'm VT wouldn't it be better if I die in d1/N1 than a town pr?

Town dying during the day is bad.

[President Eden]

oh and

Is there some reason why town bb cant measure if his emotional investment is gonna become unhealthy and do his best to check that at the door?

absolutely not, that’s part of why I felt bad about the initial pressure. because it seemed plausible to me that that’s what you were doing, and I didn’t want to ‘punish’ you for it in the game. it just also seemed plausible you were mafia, and there’s no way for me to find out except by pressuring you.

[President Eden]

If you are worried about how I am scum hunting, I actually have made a spread sheet (crossing out my notes for obvious reasons) so again don’t tell me I don’t know what I am doing.

https://ibb.co/nkFQqDR

Lastly I have been engaged with this game and have been commenting and questioning others posts. You can say what toy want about my engagement in this game but I am putting in effort.

why would you cross the notes out that could actually be really useful for figuring out your alignment… just saying

[snowy801]

I feel like the only times I ever acquiesced to post my Trusty Notepad TM instead of just making vague references to it were that no flip game where I was scum under pressure

[ghug]

Lmao please tell me how Jamiet spamming nonsense to those that voted for him and his constant reminder about how Maniac was an asshole so he’s going to be an asshole this game and that we can all suck it isn’t anti town? He was making the game unenjoyable.

I even vented about it in my submission to God chat and said if Jamiet didn’t stop this I was going to ask to be subbed out.

I genuinely don’t even think you understand what “anti-town” means and just turn it into “things that I don’t like.”

Jamie’s copypastas about physics or whatever are just as much “spamming nonsense” and “being an asshole this game” as Kak and Demon (who have done actual nothing besides meme wallposts) or even Bona (has been around and interacted with people but almost exclusively in a trolling or otherwise NAI way). In the interim he has actually made a couple of posts that attempt/appear to solve. Again, aside from his moment of snippiness with Bob which has more or less subsided, he’s really not been an issue in the game thread. Signup thread sure, but he was talked to about that, and he hasn’t carried over the bad attitude, just his promise to troll like he perceives Maniac to troll.

On the other hand, the fact that you dishonestly continue to try to frame it as worse than it is, in a way which is virtually guaranteed to piss him off and cause actual problems later, is most generously (for in game purposes) described as you trying to start drama because you enjoy it personally (and thus NAI), but is also quite fairly described as mafia deliberately trying to create a shitty thread environment.

You need to fucking stop it. There’s no way after a half dozen games that you genuinely believe what you’re doing to be productive. And if you continue to do things that are openly counterproductive for town then you give me no option but to kill you off, even though I would rather get other people.

I was about to townread Eden for trying to keep things civil, but something about this post makes me uncomfortable.

[brainbomb]

I will now be AFK for 1-4 hours because I have to do chores, eat dinner, and spend time the gf.

Why did you feel the need to tell us you're going to be away for potentially one hour?

The thing I feel uncomfortable about with TFB is that every post has been casual banter or a question he asks and then never seems to have any follow up or any additional question. And to me it looks like he is just trying to use really weak surface level things to look like hes hunting.

This is one example of three. his other question was to me about asking why snowy would want me to change my behavior or something and in that instance TFB never seems to have an opinion either way on the answers given.

[ghug]

Hmm time to look at Jamiet post in iso:

He only had 2 semi game related post and one correcting someone. 27 of his other posts were spam or harassing Maniac.

well, that’s just not true, as I counted seven posts just on a half-assed skim that were directly engaging with the game, frankly all of which did so at a higher level than you.

#1
#2
#3
#4
#5
#6
#7

you are just outright ignoring what you don’t want to see and distorting what you do see into what you want to see.

to elaborate on that second point,

This is his response to me:

http://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/ ... 80#p289780

He even admits to trying to make this game unenjoyable for others. So yes I’m going to bring it up.

literally where in that post. reproducing in post so that people following along can see what I mean:

How ironic that you of all people would say this.

My goal is to do whatever I like because apparently being an asshole is encouraged in this game. Maniac was an asshole last time, and everyone thinks that was just fine. I’ll do what I like this game, and you can all suck on it.

he says he’s “going to do whatever [he] like[s],” and “what [he] like[s] this game.” nothing in there about making the game unenjoyable for others. you have literally supplied that out of thin air because you, personally, don’t like the way he is approaching the game.

Atleast while I am “causing drama” I’m still trying to scum hunt. Even tho Jamiet is being an ass, I am not voting for him. If you think I’m ruining the game the vote for me.

I have no idea what to do with this post because if you’re not just mafia and bullshitting me here then this is a striking condemnation of your understanding of how scumhunting works.

you are just vaguely aping things other people have said and blatantly distorting what has been said by people you don’t like and slapping “town” and “anti-town” onto “things I like” and “things I dislike” respectively. there is no objective process, no theoretical underpinning behind why certain behaviors might come from town or mafia, no effort to engage with what people are doing beyond a surface level acknowledgment that it is happening. which I guess is sadly par for the course for webdip towns.

especially knowing that you spent multiple town games actively fostering an image of being new town just to exploit that image as mafia, what exactly am I meant to do with this performance except just assume you’re mafia doing it again and kill you?

Why are you townreading Jamie for letting his emotional frustrations get in the way of playing well but [threatening to?] scumread Sabi for doing the same?