MAFIA XXXVIII: INFINITY WAR

[DoubtingThomas]

this is too many posts to catch up lmfao..

Ain't that the fucking truth.

can u give me summaries of big events if anyy

i saw bo claim fuck this game like a page ago.

[bozotheclown]

BismarckAlive – null, low activity
bo_sox48 – scum possibility
brainbomb – likely town, holder of Soul Stone
ChippeRock – likely town, a number of inexperience town indications
damo666 – scum possibility, trying to ID Vig
dargorygel – lean town
DoubtingThomas – null
flash2015 – lean town
Foxcastle – lean town
ghug – lean town
Hellenic Riot - null, low activity
Jamiet99uk – lean town
ND – null
rdrivera2005 – scum possibility
snowy801 – lean town
Squigs44 – lean town
Vecna – lean town
worcej – likely town, doc claimant
xorxes – scum possibility
y2kjbk – lean town
yavuzovic – lean town

[ND]

this is too many posts to catch up lmfao..

Ain't that the fucking truth.

can u give me summaries of big events if anyy

i saw bo claim fuck this game like a page ago.

A lot. You have to read the game that's the point. What are your thoughts on everything?

[Foxcastle]

this is too many posts to catch up lmfao..

Ain't that the fucking truth.

can u give me summaries of big events if anyy

i saw bo claim fuck this game like a page ago.

I hope he's not actually ragequitting. But that whole exchange between him and Brainbomb makes me think he's town, maybe.

[ND]

Bo said he was done. I asked a question. No response. This was sometime back.

[Jamiet99uk]

Bo is at the store buying Twinkies and other low-quality American products.

[rdrivera2005]

When dargorygel showed up 4 minutes before EOD, he was leading the vote 7-4-4, and he claimed VT. This could have been a ploy to look town, but with a 3 vote lead, I thought it would be more likely for scum to make a fake claim at that point, unless one of the other top wagons was also scum. Since I considered it most likely that dargorygel was town, I switched my vote to bo_sox, who I thought was a scum possibility, and more likely to be scum than snowy, the other top wagon.

Here are some questionable things I noticed about D1 EOD:

When dargorygel was up by 2 votes, rdrivera said he would vote for bo_sox if not for the SK’s ability to add a vote. I then voted for bo_sox, and dargorygel voted for bo_sox, which resulted in bo_sox and dargorygel being tied at 6. rdrivera was still on dargorygel, so he could have put bo_sox up by two votes by switching from dargorygel to bo_sox. He failed to do this, despite just saying that the only reason he was not voting for bo_sox was because he wanted to keep the top wagon leading by two.

bo_sox stated he was leading in the vote even though he was tied with dargorygel, and there was no point where bo_sox was ahead in the vote count. xorxes later made a statement that he townread bo_sox for making a town statement when he thought he was the lynch, despite the fact that bo_sox was never leading the vote.

xorxes switched his vote from dargorygel to bo_sox after the phase ended, and after bo_sox’s statement that xorxes later said he townread him for.

After EOD, rdrivera preemptively deflects his failure to vote for bo_sox by saying he highly suspects the late movers.

xorxes makes a statement that rdrivera is the most likely SK candidate based on him being on the dargorygel wagon and the time when he joined the wagon, despite it being very unlikely the SK would be this obvious, especially if rdrivera was the SK.

These are some notable mistake coming from high level players like rdrivera, bo_sox, and xorxes. Although it is possible they were just real mistakes, the interaction that occurs between these three around these mistakes makes me consider all three suspect.

I didn't made any mistake at EOD. I did a mistake on understanting the stones and Ezio reading but this is another subject and not related to EOD.

I have even discussed with Vecna about SK power and stated that we need a wagon with 2 votes ahead to avoid SK manipulation at D1 (it could be worst later). Dargo was exactly 2 votes ahead and that's why I didn't want to change. I still think changing last minute is either scum play or really bad town play and considering I don't think you and Xorxes are bad players, I suspect you both. BO was about to be lynched, so we can't read much from him changing votes and neither Dargo.

[y2kjbk]

Gonna try to catch up now before D2 starts, been pretty busy yesterday evening and this morning.

[flash2015]

All gone quiet?

[bozotheclown]

When dargorygel showed up 4 minutes before EOD, he was leading the vote 7-4-4, and he claimed VT. This could have been a ploy to look town, but with a 3 vote lead, I thought it would be more likely for scum to make a fake claim at that point, unless one of the other top wagons was also scum. Since I considered it most likely that dargorygel was town, I switched my vote to bo_sox, who I thought was a scum possibility, and more likely to be scum than snowy, the other top wagon.

Here are some questionable things I noticed about D1 EOD:

When dargorygel was up by 2 votes, rdrivera said he would vote for bo_sox if not for the SK’s ability to add a vote. I then voted for bo_sox, and dargorygel voted for bo_sox, which resulted in bo_sox and dargorygel being tied at 6. rdrivera was still on dargorygel, so he could have put bo_sox up by two votes by switching from dargorygel to bo_sox. He failed to do this, despite just saying that the only reason he was not voting for bo_sox was because he wanted to keep the top wagon leading by two.

bo_sox stated he was leading in the vote even though he was tied with dargorygel, and there was no point where bo_sox was ahead in the vote count. xorxes later made a statement that he townread bo_sox for making a town statement when he thought he was the lynch, despite the fact that bo_sox was never leading the vote.

xorxes switched his vote from dargorygel to bo_sox after the phase ended, and after bo_sox’s statement that xorxes later said he townread him for.

After EOD, rdrivera preemptively deflects his failure to vote for bo_sox by saying he highly suspects the late movers.

xorxes makes a statement that rdrivera is the most likely SK candidate based on him being on the dargorygel wagon and the time when he joined the wagon, despite it being very unlikely the SK would be this obvious, especially if rdrivera was the SK.

These are some notable mistake coming from high level players like rdrivera, bo_sox, and xorxes. Although it is possible they were just real mistakes, the interaction that occurs between these three around these mistakes makes me consider all three suspect.

I didn't made any mistake at EOD. I did a mistake on understanting the stones and Ezio reading but this is another subject and not related to EOD.

I have even discussed with Vecna about SK power and stated that we need a wagon with 2 votes ahead to avoid SK manipulation at D1 (it could be worst later). Dargo was exactly 2 votes ahead and that's why I didn't want to change. I still think changing last minute is either scum play or really bad town play and considering I don't think you and Xorxes are bad players, I suspect you both. BO was about to be lynched, so we can't read much from him changing votes and neither Dargo.

Why were you so worried about SK vote manipulation on D1, when the SK should be trying to lynch scum? If you did not want to change your vote from dargorygel to bo_sox when dargorygel was 2 voted ahead, why did you still not want to change your vote when the vote was tied and you could have put bo_sox up 2?

[ChippeRock]

@Flash, after vig shot ezio you said no one should have any faith in my reads. Why does ezio flipping town nullify all my reads?

@Chippee

ChippeRock
Day-1 02:15
page 54
↑flash2015: "#CALL GM - I assume that means the Vig gets the Vision's stone?"
I think probably so. Hey Vig, why don't you post someone's name for all to see? Perhaps on the biggest wagon?

It sure looks like youre trying to get vig to out. Or signal you.

Please explain how this outs the Vig? We ensure our lynch is more accurate by either removing one of the players from contention by revealing town or revealing scum and ensuring a good lynch.

[dargorygel]

I won't be on EoN...
Here is my straight list, scum to town. I haven't given scum any reason to NK me... but just in case. I'll try to flesh it out tomorrow.
Scummiest
Flash (I admit I am tunneling… but still reads wrong to me)
Doubting Thomas
Foxcastle
BismarckAlive
HR
Bozo
ghug
Y2k
damo
Rdrivera
Snowy
Yavuzovic
squigs
ND
brain
Vecna
Jamie
Xorxes
ChippeRock
Bo
worcej
Darg
Ezio
Towniest
SK pool:Flash, ghug, Fox, rdr

[rdrivera2005]

When dargorygel showed up 4 minutes before EOD, he was leading the vote 7-4-4, and he claimed VT. This could have been a ploy to look town, but with a 3 vote lead, I thought it would be more likely for scum to make a fake claim at that point, unless one of the other top wagons was also scum. Since I considered it most likely that dargorygel was town, I switched my vote to bo_sox, who I thought was a scum possibility, and more likely to be scum than snowy, the other top wagon.

Here are some questionable things I noticed about D1 EOD:

When dargorygel was up by 2 votes, rdrivera said he would vote for bo_sox if not for the SK’s ability to add a vote. I then voted for bo_sox, and dargorygel voted for bo_sox, which resulted in bo_sox and dargorygel being tied at 6. rdrivera was still on dargorygel, so he could have put bo_sox up by two votes by switching from dargorygel to bo_sox. He failed to do this, despite just saying that the only reason he was not voting for bo_sox was because he wanted to keep the top wagon leading by two.

bo_sox stated he was leading in the vote even though he was tied with dargorygel, and there was no point where bo_sox was ahead in the vote count. xorxes later made a statement that he townread bo_sox for making a town statement when he thought he was the lynch, despite the fact that bo_sox was never leading the vote.

xorxes switched his vote from dargorygel to bo_sox after the phase ended, and after bo_sox’s statement that xorxes later said he townread him for.

After EOD, rdrivera preemptively deflects his failure to vote for bo_sox by saying he highly suspects the late movers.

xorxes makes a statement that rdrivera is the most likely SK candidate based on him being on the dargorygel wagon and the time when he joined the wagon, despite it being very unlikely the SK would be this obvious, especially if rdrivera was the SK.

These are some notable mistake coming from high level players like rdrivera, bo_sox, and xorxes. Although it is possible they were just real mistakes, the interaction that occurs between these three around these mistakes makes me consider all three suspect.

I didn't made any mistake at EOD. I did a mistake on understanting the stones and Ezio reading but this is another subject and not related to EOD.

I have even discussed with Vecna about SK power and stated that we need a wagon with 2 votes ahead to avoid SK manipulation at D1 (it could be worst later). Dargo was exactly 2 votes ahead and that's why I didn't want to change. I still think changing last minute is either scum play or really bad town play and considering I don't think you and Xorxes are bad players, I suspect you both. BO was about to be lynched, so we can't read much from him changing votes and neither Dargo.

Why were you so worried about SK vote manipulation on D1, when the SK should be trying to lynch scum? If you did not want to change your vote from dargorygel to bo_sox when dargorygel was 2 voted ahead, why did you still not want to change your vote when the vote was tied and you could have put bo_sox up 2?

Because I didn't see it before the EOD? I would have lynched Bo if I have seen, we would have either lynched scum or have more info to work with now. I suspect Bo will be a wagon again next day.

[yavuzovic]

You also abandoned the case on a whim to push snowy who youd never even mentioned before then.

And more importantly youre debating me from a position of trying to convince me of your innocence rather than of trying to convince me who is scummiest. Which tells me you still just value survival over making coherent arguments.

Oh my god, are you that fucking stupid? I didn't push snowy; I voted for him to survive. Darg was behind by one and I couldn't affect that. Chippe had just put snowy within one vote of me with 30 seconds to go in the day. I tied the vote on purpose by voting for snowy. Had I known that darg would have actually had the lead if I had stayed put there, obviously I wouldn't have moved.

At least he is right here, friends. He said "I would try ND (or someone else) if you weren't pushing me." At least this is what I remember.
Anyway, agree with ghug, my tomorrow vote will be bo_ anyway.

[Jamiet99uk]

Dargorygel, Ezio is dead. It's a bit redundant giving your read on him.

[Squigs44]

I won't be on EoN...
Here is my straight list, scum to town. I haven't given scum any reason to NK me... but just in case. I'll try to flesh it out tomorrow.
Scummiest
Flash (I admit I am tunneling… but still reads wrong to me)
Doubting Thomas
Foxcastle
BismarckAlive
HR
Bozo
ghug
Y2k
damo
Rdrivera
Snowy
Yavuzovic
squigs
ND
brain
Vecna
Jamie
Xorxes
ChippeRock
Bo
worcej
Darg
Ezio
Towniest
SK pool:Flash, ghug, Fox, rdr

Tell me more about your town read on bo and your scumread on Fox.

[yavuzovic]

People..
People..
People..
Bo
worcej
Darg
Ezio
Towniest
SK pool:Flash, ghug, Fox, rdr

Well, I'll sit you besides to Bo for being his scummate.

[BismarckAlive]

5.55am in my part of the world now! Thinking about the SK comments, with the count being 18-4 and knowing he can't be NK, SK will at first try to lynch or get town killed. This bias is multiplied by the existence of these stones. So any idea the SK was targeting mafia in EOD1 I dismiss.
So, assuming the SK was targeting Town, I like the idea that SK was not involved in the EOD movements, and that instead it was scum moving in such ways to protect one of their own. That says to me one of the leading wagons was definitely scum.

[ChippeRock]

5.55am in my part of the world now! Thinking about the SK comments, with the count being 18-4 and knowing he can't be NK, SK will at first try to lynch or get town killed. This bias is multiplied by the existence of these stones. So any idea the SK was targeting mafia in EOD1 I dismiss.
So, assuming the SK was targeting Town, I like the idea that SK was not involved in the EOD movements, and that instead it was scum moving in such ways to protect one of their own. That says to me one of the leading wagons was definitely scum.

Congratulations on your 4th post! Now, what is your overall analysis of everyone here, your scum reads, and your town reads?

[ghug]

Yav, stop +1ing.