M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[BobMcBob]

My disappearance on the other hand couldn't be more towny. I'm going to try and look over everyone's recent phases soon to see what I think. I've missed most of what Kak has said, and it'll be good to take a look at things more closely again. That will probably trickle in over the next 10 hours.

[Jamiet99uk]

I wake up after a full night's sleep and there has been ONE post?

And that one post is just Bob McBob, anchoring?

Worcej has now had over 50 hours to respond to the question I asked him during Night 8.

He saw the question at the time and deflected at it by talking about the involvement of the USA in the Second World War. When I asked him why he was deflecting he said he'd reply "later".

We've had plenty of later and Worcej has instead gone into hiding.

It was a simple question in the first place. Let me re-state it in more detail:

At EoD 8, with his vote on Damo, Worcej made this post, predicting scum-teams on the basis of an analysis of who had voted for Celaph:

Bob/ghug
Bob/damo
damo/ghug

These are the combinations from VCA on D2 that explain how celaph died. I do not believe Jamie, Donny, or rdr would've needed to bus celaph and would've happily gotten TFB killed instead.

Damo was in two of these scum pairings. Worcej was voting for Damo.

A few minutes after that post, Day ended and Damo flipped scum. Damo flipping scum should not have altered Worcej's analysis other than removing the possibility of the Bob/Ghug scum pair.

So logically, just after the Damo flip, you'd assume Worcej would now be looking at Bob or Ghug as his last scum suspect.

Instead, he posted this:

rdr = town
Donkak = town
ghug = most likely town
Bob = scum chance
Jamie = most likely GF

@Jamie - when you wake up and want to just throw in the towel, I'll respect it.

You're kinda fucked now imho.

Somehow, Damo's flip has dramatically changed Worcej's reads even though Worcej voted for Damo and said he thought Damo was scum.

Somehow, I've gone from someone who didn't bus Celaph, to someone who definitely did bus Celaph (85%+ chance) because now he thinks I'm the final scum.

I want to know what caused this sudden change in Worcej's opinion, when the only new information was the confirmation that Damo was indeed scum, which Worcej apparently already thought was the case when he said I didn't bus Celaph. So Damo's flip doesn't change any of that. Yet his read totally changed.

Worcej, you need to explain this. Today.

[Jamiet99uk]

Hi, BusinessLamp

[Jamiet99uk]

Hi, Bob.

[BobMcBob]

Should we still not vote worcej because we know he's scanned as town?

[BobMcBob]

I don't think kakarrotto looks too bad. Off voting yesterday, I like Kakarrotto's vote for damo a lot, it gave the wagon enough weight to be an actual thing, it probably wouldn't have got off the ground otherwise. And damo was far from completely caught.

Worcej's vote is more likely to be distancing, as at that point damo was leading, although he could've jumped to kak instead and justified it easily because of the sub.

Ghug was actively pushing against a damo kill yesterday and trying to provide a counterwagon, which honestly doesn't look great for him. Then again, ghug also actively pushed against killing me, which was the path of most resistance, although not doing so would've been out of character.

Jamie's voting yesterday somehow manages to still be the worst. Voting me and then Kak with very little explanation. He wasn't on at EoD, but still pretty bad.

I'm not entirely sure about anyone. Worcej has mysteriously disappeared today, but his logic has been so consistently miserable that there's a good chance he's just really bad town. Kak had a good vote and Donny had maybe one thing going for him, but not much. Jamie is still consistent with how scum jamie behaves, but not bussing yesterday would be slightly strange for him as scum. I'm less confident on ghug being town now that we're down to such a small player count and his yesterday was not the best, but still not sure.

[BobMcBob]

I'm unlikely to be on for EoD tomorrow, although I will probably check in about an hour out from EoD. Good luck. ##Vote Jamie for now. I'm not confident in it, but I still am not super convinced by Jamie's tunneling on certain players and potential bussing and so on.

[Jamiet99uk]

Should we still not vote worcej because we know he's scanned as town?

I would suggest that is irrelevant now, because the only Mafia member left is the Godfather. Everyone who is still alive in the game at this point would have scanned as "Innocent" to the Cop if the Cop had scanned them.

[Jamiet99uk]

Jamie's voting yesterday somehow manages to still be the worst. Voting me and then Kak with very little explanation. He wasn't on at EoD, but still pretty bad.

Uncorrect. I gave a concise but clear explanation for my Kak vote.

[Jamiet99uk]

I'm unlikely to be on for EoD tomorrow, although I will probably check in about an hour out from EoD. Good luck. ##Vote Jamie for now. I'm not confident in it, but I still am not super convinced by Jamie's tunneling on certain players and potential bussing and so on.

EoD is tonight, not tomorrow. It's in about 9 hours.

[Jamiet99uk]

Bob, if you leave your vote on me and I'm right about Worcej, he will win the game.

[Jamiet99uk]

Worcej has not posted for over 38 hours.

What is he doing?

[Jamiet99uk]

Worcej's webDip profile shows he has visited the site in the past day.

It is a worrying possibility that he is hiding from the thread on purpose, in the hope that you will wagon me (or maybe Kak or Bob) in his absence and he can swoop in at the last minute to seal the deal and win the game for Scum.

[worcej]

Worcej's webDip profile shows he has visited the site in the past day.

It is a worrying possibility that he is hiding from the thread on purpose, in the hope that you will wagon me (or maybe Kak or Bob) in his absence and he can swoop in at the last minute to seal the deal and win the game for Scum.

Well this post torpedoed my gameplay so far this phase... My goal was to make it till about 2 hours left of the phase to drop the hammer, but little Mr. Detective here decided to go all Scoob-Dooby-Do on this, so thanks Jamie

I have indeed been avoiding the thread and not contributing this phase because I wanted to see what would happen if I didn't spew my mouth all over the thread and allow for people to just simply react to me. I was beginning to feel like a majority of the game was being dominated by reactions to my posting and not new content being created, which isn't going to help me figure out who the last scum is.

But I didn't want the thread to just die and I wanted to see if the behavior of reactionary posting continued. To this, I present you my little 'grenades' that I threw to hopefully keep some content flowing:

rdr = town
Donkak = town
ghug = most likely town
Bob = scum chance
Jamie = most likely GF

@Jamie - when you wake up and want to just throw in the towel, I'll respect it.

You're kinda fucked now imho.

Because, as I kinda foolishly played my hand when riling you up more during N8, you (Jamie) are an easy person to give a push to and create chaos/OMGUS trains into oblivion. I believe I was successful in getting you to vomit out your OMGUS, so mission half-accomplished. Was this a wise idea? Eh, probably not. But the goal was to see how Bob, ghug and Kaka would react.

So, with the goal now stated, I'm sure you want to know what I accomplished right? Well, to be clear, nothing incredibly obvious unfortunately. I don't think it's controversial to say the following summary of the phase so far:

• ghug didn't drive much of a conversation but did put out some opinions of his own.
• Kak posted an EON list/opinion and proceeded to somewhat engage today in anti-Jamie themes.
• Bob decided to say his lurking was towny (after people questioned mine). His 4th post of the phase is actually decent, I am just not on the same wavelength he is about you Jamie.

I've been pretty consistent with the theory that scum want me in KiLo. The red flag I wanted to see was people defending my slot, and unfortunately neither Bob nor ghug made much of a bite at this and it was mostly Kak who has, which kinda alarms me... but I cannot see any real scum motivation or thought process in any of Donny's game up to this point and the bussing of damo would've been too damn cold of a move for me to think he did it.

So with that all being said...

Posting my questions for Worcej again since he wouldn't answer them last night.

Bob/ghug
Bob/damo
damo/ghug

These are the combinations from VCA on D2 that explain how celaph died. I do not believe Jamie, Donny, or rdr would've needed to bus celaph and would've happily gotten TFB killed instead.

You posted this just before EoD and you were voting for Damo.

So surely your scumread(s) should be Ghug and/or Bob.

But last night you were back to me instead.

Why?

I think you should get the why answer by now, and I want you to know that my thoughts here are still the same.

So, what's the TL;DR that you want to see?

• My points for Bob are already spewed. I don't need to slam them down now.
• ghug continues to just be ghug... the danger here is he's not off from his scum meta... and if you look back at the last time he was scum near KiLo, M65 BTW, he is playing like he did back then.
• My opinion on Kak is that Donny was town and he's not doing anything pushy enough to get me to think differently at this time. Kak also would've been bussing Damo pretty early for no real reason either. I just cannot see Kak as scum right now.

My big-brain-perhaps-too-big-brained theory is it's ghug.

Kak, Jamie, and Bob are my three town counterparts.

##vote ghug

I look forward to this post now being picked apart for the rest of the phase.

[worcej]

Should we still not vote worcej because we know he's scanned as town?

I would suggest that is irrelevant now, because the only Mafia member left is the Godfather. Everyone who is still alive in the game at this point would have scanned as "Innocent" to the Cop if the Cop had scanned them.

Not that it matters, but this is indeed correct and the scan code from Demon hasn't matter for quite some time.

If town cared about the scan this game, Goldie would've been dead before I subbed in.

[Jamiet99uk]

Thank you, Worcej. I appreciate that answer.

To be clear, you think it's either Ghug or Bob, right?

##Unvote.

[Jamiet99uk]

I await Ghug's response with interest.

[Kakarroto]

If ghug is mafia, would he do such a hail mary tunnel on me though? He pretty much just had locked me in, save for the moment to get on damo. It's pretty annoying I give you that, but that feels pretty towny to do.

[worcej]

If ghug is mafia, would he do such a hail mary tunnel on me though? He pretty much just had locked me in, save for the moment to get on damo. It's pretty annoying I give you that, but that feels pretty towny to do.

If ghug is scum, he wants the final 3 to be Bob, myself, and him.

MK'ing you or Jamie right now accomplishes that goal.

[worcej]

Thank you, Worcej. I appreciate that answer.

To be clear, you think it's either Ghug or Bob, right?

##Unvote.

I strongly believe the last scum is ghug. The strength of my Bob read has waned, but isn't gone.