M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[Jamiet99uk]

ARGH dammit, it's too early. Sorry. This is the final edit.

DAY ONE
Fluminator (8): Jamiet99uk, TheFlyingBoat, damo666*, Chaqa, Hellenic Riot, rdrivera2005, bozotheclown, ghug
BobMcBob (5): Maniac, DeathLlama8, Durga, celaph, kgray
TheFlyingBoat(4): BobMcBob, Bonatogether, BusinessLamp, DemonRHK
Hellenic Riot (1): goldfinger0303
ghug (1): Vecna
Durga (1): Donny Dude
rdrivera2005 (1): Fluminator

DAY TWO
celaph (9): Vecna, TheFlyingBoat, ghug, Chaqa, DemonRHK, bozotheclown, Donny Dude, Jamiet99uk, rdrivera2005
TheFlyingBoat(7): Bonatogether, celaph, kgray, BusinessLamp, BobMcBob, Durga, Hellenic Riot
BobMcBob(3): Maniac, damo666, goldfinger0303

DAY THREE
Durga (11): kgray, BusinessLamp, TheFlyingBoat, Jamiet99uk*, damo666*, Donny Dude, Hellenic Riot, goldfinger0303, DemonRHK, BobMcBob, ghug
Hellenic Riot (2): Maniac, rdrivera2005
Chaqa (2): Chaqa, Vecna
TheFlyingBoat(1): Bonatogether

DAY FOUR
Vecna(10): DemonRHK, Donny Dude, rdrivera2005, Chaqa, kgray, Bonatogether, TheFlyingBoat, Jamiet99uk, ghug, BobMcBob
Hellenic Riot (2): Maniac, damo666*
goldfinger0303(2): Hellenic Riot, Vecna
damo666(1): goldfinger0303

DAY FIVE
Bonatogether(6): Donny Dude, damo666, Jamiet99uk, Bonatogether, TheFlyingBoat, BobMcBob
rdrivera2005(3): ghub, goldfinger0303, Chaqa
Jamiet99uk(3): Hellenic Riot, kgray, Maniac
ghud(1): rdrivera2005

DAY SIX
Hellenic Riot(7): damo666, Jamiet99uk, rdrivera2005, goldfinger0303, Donny Dude, BobMcBob, ghug
rdrivera2005(3): Chaqa, TheFlyingBoat, Hellenic Riot
damo666(1): Maniac

DAY SEVEN
Maniac(4): damo666, Jamiet99uk*, worcej, rdrivera2005
Donny Dude(3): ghug, TheFlyingBoat, Maniac
worcej(1): BobMcBob
TheFlyingBoat(1): Donny Dude
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[damo666]

Who are ghub and ghud (day 5)?

[Jamiet99uk]

Who are ghub and ghud (day 5)?

Ghug's cousins from Wyoming.

[Jamiet99uk]

Observations and queries based on the votes:

Bob McBob
1. Was D1 Town v Town v Town or is Bob scum?

2. Bob was on the counterwagon to Celaph D2 along with Durga and Celaph. Trying to save Celaph?

3. Bob joined the Durga wagon D3 very late on, when it was already a foregone conclusion (having been on HR).

4. Bob was the last person on Vecna D4, again after the wagon was guaranteed to flip.

5. Bob voted the main wagons D5 and D6 but plonked his vote on Worjec yesterday as a one-voter wagon.

Conclusion: Bob's voting on the days we actually flipped scum looks slightly suspect and he's the only one of the three competing D1 wagons we don't know the alignment of. Big question is whether Durga would bus him in that scenario.

Ghug
1. Joined my Flum wagon very late D1 having been on Bob.

2. Was on Celaph relatively early EoD2 and had been there earlier in the day as well. Repeatedly pushed the Celaph wagon and was heavily involved in flipping Celaph there.

3. Last person to move to Durga D3.

4. Was a late Vecna voter D4 and was VERY reluctant to vote Vecna, who he didn't appear to scumread.

5. D5 voted Rdrivera, D6 voted HR, yesterday voted Donny.

Conclusions: First, if Bob is scum I think scum!Ghug would keep bussing Bob for future towncred. If Bob is town this means nothing in particular. Second, D2 stands out. Ghug would have to have been bussing Celaph VERY hard D2 - on balance I think Ghug's D2 voting looks townie. His reluctance to vote Vecna is noticeable. Ghug could be scum here but on the basis of D2 I'm willing to townlean him.

I'll review other people later but for now:
##Vote BobMcBob

[damo666]

Bob could easily be being bussed by celaph and durga D1 with both Bob and Vecna off top wagon who could switch if things went awry.

Day 2 he's on the CW to celaph.

Days 3 and 4 he only joins the durga and Vecna wagons after they are a done deal.

I think we should flip Bob.

[damo666]

Who are ghub and ghud (day 5)?

Ghug's cousins from Wyoming.

Very good.

[damo666]

Xpost with J te Bob. Interestingly virtually identical analysis.

[damo666]

* re Bob

[ghug]

Why? You seemed to have agreed with me his EOD was towny.

See my analysis from early in the night. Everyone has townie moments somewhere at this point, and I don't see EoD going down that way with town Donny, especially now that we know Boat's role.

How does boat’s role influence Donny’s alignment?

I think in a Town Donny world, we'd expect scum to prefer his death to Maniac's, which was likely to be possible eventually.. The only potential scum voting Donny was TFB, who we now know is town.

[ghug]

Like, I am just going to say it in another way: rdr is usually fear killed way earlier than this when he is town. Him being alive right now is enough to make me scum him.

Ditto ghug

The only time I got fearkilled recently was when I overplayed my hand as PR.

[ghug]

Man, analyzing the past 15 games, ghug you sure have gotten scum a lot lol…

Yeah I'm pretty fucking happy I rolled town this game.

[ghug]

Observations and queries based on the votes:

Bob McBob
1. Was D1 Town v Town v Town or is Bob scum?

2. Bob was on the counterwagon to Celaph D2 along with Durga and Celaph. Trying to save Celaph?

3. Bob joined the Durga wagon D3 very late on, when it was already a foregone conclusion (having been on HR).

4. Bob was the last person on Vecna D4, again after the wagon was guaranteed to flip.

5. Bob voted the main wagons D5 and D6 but plonked his vote on Worjec yesterday as a one-voter wagon.

Conclusion: Bob's voting on the days we actually flipped scum looks slightly suspect and he's the only one of the three competing D1 wagons we don't know the alignment of. Big question is whether Durga would bus him in that scenario.

Ghug
1. Joined my Flum wagon very late D1 having been on Bob.

2. Was on Celaph relatively early EoD2 and had been there earlier in the day as well. Repeatedly pushed the Celaph wagon and was heavily involved in flipping Celaph there.

3. Last person to move to Durga D3.

4. Was a late Vecna voter D4 and was VERY reluctant to vote Vecna, who he didn't appear to scumread.

5. D5 voted Rdrivera, D6 voted HR, yesterday voted Donny.

Conclusions: First, if Bob is scum I think scum!Ghug would keep bussing Bob for future towncred. If Bob is town this means nothing in particular. Second, D2 stands out. Ghug would have to have been bussing Celaph VERY hard D2 - on balance I think Ghug's D2 voting looks townie. His reluctance to vote Vecna is noticeable. Ghug could be scum here but on the basis of D2 I'm willing to townlean him.

I'll review other people later but for now:
##Vote BobMcBob

I'm a third of the way through this post and it's fucking awful. You're not considering who voted for the person, only who they voted for. You're also not considering motivations or doing anything beyond looking at the bot.

[ghug]

Observations and queries based on the votes:

Bob McBob
1. Was D1 Town v Town v Town or is Bob scum?

2. Bob was on the counterwagon to Celaph D2 along with Durga and Celaph. Trying to save Celaph?

3. Bob joined the Durga wagon D3 very late on, when it was already a foregone conclusion (having been on HR).

4. Bob was the last person on Vecna D4, again after the wagon was guaranteed to flip.

5. Bob voted the main wagons D5 and D6 but plonked his vote on Worjec yesterday as a one-voter wagon.

Conclusion: Bob's voting on the days we actually flipped scum looks slightly suspect and he's the only one of the three competing D1 wagons we don't know the alignment of. Big question is whether Durga would bus him in that scenario.

Ghug
1. Joined my Flum wagon very late D1 having been on Bob.

2. Was on Celaph relatively early EoD2 and had been there earlier in the day as well. Repeatedly pushed the Celaph wagon and was heavily involved in flipping Celaph there.

3. Last person to move to Durga D3.

4. Was a late Vecna voter D4 and was VERY reluctant to vote Vecna, who he didn't appear to scumread.

5. D5 voted Rdrivera, D6 voted HR, yesterday voted Donny.

Conclusions: First, if Bob is scum I think scum!Ghug would keep bussing Bob for future towncred. If Bob is town this means nothing in particular. Second, D2 stands out. Ghug would have to have been bussing Celaph VERY hard D2 - on balance I think Ghug's D2 voting looks townie. His reluctance to vote Vecna is noticeable. Ghug could be scum here but on the basis of D2 I'm willing to townlean him.

I'll review other people later but for now:
##Vote BobMcBob

Oh, no, i was most of the way through it, you're just lazy.

[Jamiet99uk]

Xpost with J te Bob. Interestingly virtually identical analysis.

Dammit Damo, don't you remember in the scum QT where I told you to distance from me?

[Jamiet99uk]

@Ghug:

So my vote analysis post in which I concluded that you're probably town is "lazy" and "awful"?

Ok, I'll take that on board and spend several hours reconsidering my townread on you. Thanks.

[Jamiet99uk]

Also Ghug I specifically discussed your potential motivations, and Bob's. The very thing you accuse me of not doing, I did.

Why are you like this?

[damo666]

Also Ghug I specifically discussed your potential motivations, and Bob's. The very thing you accuse me of not doing, I did.

Why are you like this?

Consider the time.

[rdrivera2005]

TFB kill a bit unexpected, I was expecting rdr.

I'm going to ISO everyone because I'm kind of lost now but at the moment my scum to town is as follows (without much confidence)

Scum

Bob
Ghug/rdr
Jamie/Donny
Worcej

Worcej's observation that if we miskill and both him and Bob survive we have a potential disaster on our hands.

##vote Bob

Also I don't really get Bob's anger.

This may change on reread ofc.

The Worcej logic is that it's a disaster if both Worcej and Bob are town at kilo. So, if you think Bob is scum then this is irrelevant.

I don't think Bob's anger is fake and I think you are just trying to get a fake justification for your vote. Also, you are someone I see killing TFB (I know this is wifom, but can't avoid it).

##vote Damo

[damo666]

TFB kill a bit unexpected, I was expecting rdr.

I'm going to ISO everyone because I'm kind of lost now but at the moment my scum to town is as follows (without much confidence)

Scum

Bob
Ghug/rdr
Jamie/Donny
Worcej

Worcej's observation that if we miskill and both him and Bob survive we have a potential disaster on our hands.

##vote Bob

Also I don't really get Bob's anger.

This may change on reread ofc.

The Worcej logic is that it's a disaster if both Worcej and Bob are town at kilo. So, if you think Bob is scum then this is irrelevant.

I don't think Bob's anger is fake and I think you are just trying to get a fake justification for your vote. Also, you are someone I see killing TFB (I know this is wifom, but can't avoid it).

##vote Damo

I don't need a 'fake justification'. I've had Bob in my scumpool for days.

My point about the worcej observation (admittedly not made clearly) is that IF Bob is not scum then he is imo the best mk.

Obviously a scumkill is better though and Bob remains my best guess. You and ghug are not far behind with you perhaps pushing for clear second.

[damo666]

Except everytime I look at day 2 I can't help but assume Doony Jamie and rdr must all be town.

Perhaps it is GF worcej and goon Bob and the Bob tunnel is one big facade.

I keep coming back to Bob being the best flip today.