M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[TheFlyingBoat]

Why did you kill him if you townread him?

Because he was averaging only 5 posts a phase and was not trying. That was worth losing if town and if he was scum, I would’ve felt really good about towning damo and Jamie going forward.

Plus - I gave ya’ll plenty of time to vote my scum read and you didn’t bother.

That's dumb. We don't have unlimited miskills, so killing town with them is bad.

this x 100

[worcej]

Why did you kill him if you townread him?

Because he was averaging only 5 posts a phase and was not trying. That was worth losing if town and if he was scum, I would’ve felt really good about towning damo and Jamie going forward.

Plus - I gave ya’ll plenty of time to vote my scum read and you didn’t bother.

That's dumb. We don't have unlimited miskills, so killing town with them is bad.

No, it actually isn’t dumb - it just wasn’t optimal. Numerous games have been lost by town because the weakest link was left around till end-game and not dealt with.

Maniac and myself shouldn’t have even been in conversation or consideration of being a flip because the likelihood of one of us being the GF is stupidly low.

Maniac’s lack of actual play earned him my vote. What sealed it is no one else willing to engage with a vote on Jamie when several of you have pushed for him already before this phase.

[worcej]

Because he was averaging only 5 posts a phase and was not trying. That was worth losing if town and if he was scum, I would’ve felt really good about towning damo and Jamie going forward.

Plus - I gave ya’ll plenty of time to vote my scum read and you didn’t bother.

That's dumb. We don't have unlimited miskills, so killing town with them is bad.

this x 100

Great contribution to the game with this too.

[TheFlyingBoat]

Because he was averaging only 5 posts a phase and was not trying. That was worth losing if town and if he was scum, I would’ve felt really good about towning damo and Jamie going forward.

Plus - I gave ya’ll plenty of time to vote my scum read and you didn’t bother.

That's dumb. We don't have unlimited miskills, so killing town with them is bad.

No, it actually isn’t dumb - it just wasn’t optimal. Numerous games have been lost by town because the weakest link was left around till end-game and not dealt with.

Maniac and myself shouldn’t have even been in conversation or consideration of being a flip because the likelihood of one of us being the GF is stupidly low.

Maniac’s lack of actual play earned him my vote. What sealed it is no one else willing to engage with a vote on Jamie when several of you have pushed for him already before this phase.

Jamie also seems like a dumb wagon. Damo, Donny, and Bob all seemed like better choices

[TheFlyingBoat]

That's dumb. We don't have unlimited miskills, so killing town with them is bad.

this x 100

Great contribution to the game with this too.

You're being awfully self-righteous after helping lead that shit tier wagon.

[worcej]

this x 100

Great contribution to the game with this too.

You're being awfully self-righteous after helping lead that shit tier wagon.

And you’re busy nit-picking the past instead of actively engaging in the wagons when they were available.

My self-righteousness is because I actively regret subbing into this game with the idiocy abound in this game. There’s been more effort in hunting the GF and focusing on the claimed inno scans by Jamie, Damo, Bob, and you than paying any damn attention to other players.

[ghug]

Well, I guess one positive in all this is that this logic is too godawful for scum worcej to fake. I have some kinda vague reasons to townread everyone, so I'm just gonna simplify the game and only consider today for a minute.

Maniac was a really juicy miskill for scum, but I think he'd have been easy to miskill later too. Thus, if Donny is town, I think scum probably preferred him dead. There's not much reason for rdr to make a show of switching there, which I think means we're left with scum TFB and one of Bob/damo/Jamie.

If Donny is scum, I think rdr again looks good. Worcej as his teammate joining his cw maybe makes sense in this case, but I don't know why he wouldn't just fabricate an actual scumread. I don't see much reason for Boat to make the wagon viable as his teammate, which leaves damo/Jamie/Bob as the second scum options again.

[worcej]

That's dumb. We don't have unlimited miskills, so killing town with them is bad.

No, it actually isn’t dumb - it just wasn’t optimal. Numerous games have been lost by town because the weakest link was left around till end-game and not dealt with.

Maniac and myself shouldn’t have even been in conversation or consideration of being a flip because the likelihood of one of us being the GF is stupidly low.

Maniac’s lack of actual play earned him my vote. What sealed it is no one else willing to engage with a vote on Jamie when several of you have pushed for him already before this phase.

Jamie also seems like a dumb wagon. Damo, Donny, and Bob all seemed like better choices

Your Donny vote was originally to put pressure on him to contribute and most of your effort was to establish who was town to you.

I know who you think is town, but no idea who you think is scum.

[ghug]

@kgray @ghug @durga

thoughts on a donny vote?

I'm pretty sure I prefer him to boatman. And now I'm second-guessing Flum too, so I wouldn't mind some wagon movement.

##vote donny

honestly he's random af but yolo

##vote donny

Looking back at D1, this put Donny in the lead over Flum with 4, the other three being known town who had rapidly created the wagon. She was followed by me and celaph (which should make me look really good, but something tells me y'all aren't going to feel that way). I'm unsure how I feel about this as a bus. She gives herself a big out and hedges it heavily, but it's a bold thing to do to a teammate.

[TheFlyingBoat]

No, it actually isn’t dumb - it just wasn’t optimal. Numerous games have been lost by town because the weakest link was left around till end-game and not dealt with.

Maniac and myself shouldn’t have even been in conversation or consideration of being a flip because the likelihood of one of us being the GF is stupidly low.

Maniac’s lack of actual play earned him my vote. What sealed it is no one else willing to engage with a vote on Jamie when several of you have pushed for him already before this phase.

Jamie also seems like a dumb wagon. Damo, Donny, and Bob all seemed like better choices

Your Donny vote was originally to put pressure on him to contribute and most of your effort was to establish who was town to you.

I know who you think is town, but no idea who you think is scum.

I said at the beginning of the turn that I thought Damo and Bob were the most likely. I said that at the beginning of the turn and reaffirmed it at the end when I announced my willingness to switch back to Damo if people didn't like either of the major wagons. No one obliged.

[worcej]

Well, I guess one positive in all this is that this logic is too godawful for scum worcej to fake. I have some kinda vague reasons to townread everyone, so I'm just gonna simplify the game and only consider today for a minute.

Maniac was a really juicy miskill for scum, but I think he'd have been easy to miskill later too. Thus, if Donny is town, I think scum probably preferred him dead. There's not much reason for rdr to make a show of switching there, which I think means we're left with scum TFB and one of Bob/damo/Jamie.

If Donny is scum, I think rdr again looks good. Worcej as his teammate joining his cw maybe makes sense in this case, but I don't know why he wouldn't just fabricate an actual scumread. I don't see much reason for Boat to make the wagon viable as his teammate, which leaves damo/Jamie/Bob as the second scum options again.

There it is. This is valuable.

[worcej]

Jamie also seems like a dumb wagon. Damo, Donny, and Bob all seemed like better choices

Your Donny vote was originally to put pressure on him to contribute and most of your effort was to establish who was town to you.

I know who you think is town, but no idea who you think is scum.

I said at the beginning of the turn that I thought Damo and Bob were the most likely. I said that at the beginning of the turn and reaffirmed it at the end when I announced my willingness to switch back to Damo if people didn't like either of the major wagons. No one obliged.

Going to call you out on this being pretty bad because if you wanted Damo, you shouldn’t have ever left his wagon.

You were the first one to move off Damo when he was the lead wagon and then it crumbled apart as you shifted to Donny, which gave others enough momentum to move there.

[TheFlyingBoat]

Your Donny vote was originally to put pressure on him to contribute and most of your effort was to establish who was town to you.

I know who you think is town, but no idea who you think is scum.

I said at the beginning of the turn that I thought Damo and Bob were the most likely. I said that at the beginning of the turn and reaffirmed it at the end when I announced my willingness to switch back to Damo if people didn't like either of the major wagons. No one obliged.

Going to call you out on this being pretty bad because if you wanted Damo, you shouldn’t have ever left his wagon.

You were the first one to move off Damo when he was the lead wagon and then it crumbled apart as you shifted to Donny, which gave others enough momentum to move there.

Because at that point Donny had only posted twice and nothing useful. The vote was supposed to get him to post more and got a near immediate post out of him but still very little real effort from him.

[TheFlyingBoat]

Your Donny vote was originally to put pressure on him to contribute and most of your effort was to establish who was town to you.

I know who you think is town, but no idea who you think is scum.

I said at the beginning of the turn that I thought Damo and Bob were the most likely. I said that at the beginning of the turn and reaffirmed it at the end when I announced my willingness to switch back to Damo if people didn't like either of the major wagons. No one obliged.

Going to call you out on this being pretty bad because if you wanted Damo, you shouldn’t have ever left his wagon.

You were the first one to move off Damo when he was the lead wagon and then it crumbled apart as you shifted to Donny, which gave others enough momentum to move there.

Also when I moved off him he was merely tied for the lead wagon. He was the sole lead wagon only before you moved off him.

[ghug]

Durga was one of the last people to leave the dying Donny wagon, eschewing the growing rdr wagon the rest of us were hopping on to vote for Bob, which seems unlikely as a bus, especially as celaph joined it afterwards.

Looking at D2 again, I still feel like the TFB wagon makes less sense as a bus, especially given how essential he was in getting Vecna and celaph on the block with him. It's worth noting that Bob and Vecna were his counterwagons well before celaph was. I think in that context, Durga's attempt to flash Jamie makes a Jamie/Bob team exceedingly unlikely.

[ghug]

Ooh, Donny put Bob in the lead 4-3-3 over Vecna and celaph D2. Pretty unlikely teammates, and independently looks pretty bad for Donny.

[worcej]

I said at the beginning of the turn that I thought Damo and Bob were the most likely. I said that at the beginning of the turn and reaffirmed it at the end when I announced my willingness to switch back to Damo if people didn't like either of the major wagons. No one obliged.

Going to call you out on this being pretty bad because if you wanted Damo, you shouldn’t have ever left his wagon.

You were the first one to move off Damo when he was the lead wagon and then it crumbled apart as you shifted to Donny, which gave others enough momentum to move there.

Also when I moved off him he was merely tied for the lead wagon. He was the sole lead wagon only before you moved off him.

Look at the bot closer - your move made him the tie. He was the lead wagon before you moved.

Also, in regards to my vote, he was still the lead wagon when I moved off him… what’s your point here?

[ghug]

I feel like Jamie/TFB is also pretty unlikely given the way they pushed Flum and Fox in lockstep, though TFB seems to put a lot of value on expecting scum to spread a certain way D2, so I wouldn't put totally upending that past him.

[worcej]

Ooh, Donny put Bob in the lead 4-3-3 over Vecna and celaph D2. Pretty unlikely teammates, and independently looks pretty bad for Donny.

The vote reason was also soft too. Comes off as pretty unengaged on my reread.

[TheFlyingBoat]

Going to call you out on this being pretty bad because if you wanted Damo, you shouldn’t have ever left his wagon.

You were the first one to move off Damo when he was the lead wagon and then it crumbled apart as you shifted to Donny, which gave others enough momentum to move there.

Also when I moved off him he was merely tied for the lead wagon. He was the sole lead wagon only before you moved off him.

Look at the bot closer - your move made him the tie. He was the lead wagon before you moved.

Also, in regards to my vote, he was still the lead wagon when I moved off him… what’s your point here?

Oh wow I'm blind, my bad. I don't know why I thought Maniac had 3 votes on him when I was looking at it.