MAFIA XXXVIII: INFINITY WAR

[Vecna]

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ChippeRock
Day-1 02:21
page 54 Oh shit. Since Ike just posted the vote count that means he just received message which means the people who were online on the forum at the time bozotheclown, ChippeRock, flash2015, ND, WarLegend, y2kjbk are likely the Vig.

●Vig shots can be scheduled
●Why did you try to identify the vig in this manner?
●Why do you assume that vig would not log out after sending the shot?

Yep, thats exactly the type of statement thats gonna be lie-detector'd for scum to find the vig with the extra stone

[Vecna]

So if 2 people in that group are scum, they probably already know who it is

[Vecna]

##CALL GM - How literal will you answer the question for the reality-stone's lie detector power? If a question contains likely, can you still answer it? Or does it have to be formulated in a literal sense. (Aka, are you going to answer very strictly to what is stated in a sentence, or allow some more leeway to allow for the obvious intent to what they want to know to help scum?)

[brainbomb]

Its hard enough to navigate these games as town and overcome hidden scum. But add to the challenge people undermining each other with character attacks and pointless fights the game becomes chaotic, 23 players is chaotic enough with many strong opinions. Let opinions breathe. Let people be wrong, only through being in a state of wrongness can we eventually be right. Theres nothing gained by telling me im not worth listening too. I do catch scum, every game. Whether its 1 or 4 depends on how much I fight to be listened to and how much searching I give.

You get me as town and whether you like my opinions or find them stupid theyre 100% authentic and come from experience. Ive played in hundreds of mafia games, ive won many. Ive gotten many things wrong, and thats what happens when you play with elusive creatures.

Scum dont want to get easily caught. They especially dont like dealing with people like me. Durga referrred to me as terrifying when she was scum, said id be too good at this if my sanity were fully intact. Ghug refers to me as scary because I peg the entire scumteam 3 times a day but lose my scent.

These are real perspectives. Last game I was not playing.well. i apologize.

[brainbomb]

damo666
Night-1 38:26
page 66 Ezio most obv town apart from Chip so vig is an idiot.

Stand up and be counted.

[O dear not you C?]

Squigs44
Night-1 38:25
page 66 Ezios vote was on Bo. If he hadn't been shot, Bo likely would have been lynched. Although he died before the Bo train took off so who knows what would've happened.

ChippeRock
Night-1 38:24
page 66
↑damo666: "Ezio most obv town apart from Chip so vig is an idiot.

Stand up and be counted.

[O dear not you C?]"
C? Who are you referring to by C?

ghug
Night-1 38:23
page 66 Everyone who's claiming Ezio was obvtown and the Vig is an idiot, why? Where were you when he was still alive?

A few things here.

●damo66 post is horrible. Damo has done very little, suddenly is strongly opinioned ezio was.obvious???? HUH??

●ghug makes his only good post of the game but its half asssed. Instead of calling out damo on an obvious scummy post combined with lurk, he opts to make it "EVERYONE". who else was sayinh ezio was obvious?
Ghug going right from ezio wagon to dargo wagon makes ghug 99th percentile likeliest to flip scum. Darg isnt sk, so it makes darg slightly higher odds of being town. It also begs the question, was ghug still on dargo for being inorganic wrt ND??

[brainbomb]

@dargorygel
@ghug
@ND
@Damo

Please read the above

[Vecna]

While I was catching up, I did agree Ezio's last few posts got significantly better and more towny.

Regardless, speaking up after the fact is just all kinds of pointless.

[brainbomb]

ChippeRock
Night-1 37:28
page 67
↑Squigs44: "Chip... Calm down. He's saying you are the vig. He's saying you are town. He's not trying to get you lynched. Why are yo..."


I'm not going to get bundled as the dumbass that killed a townie nor am I going to get myself lynched just because I was supposedly the Vig.

Youre new, so perspectives can come off weirdly. But you being suspected as vig would get you nightkilled tonight. If you had a stone... scum dont want you around. So your best play as any town align here wouldve been to say nothing. Or to feed into the idea you are vig so scum killed you. Instead youve argued it in such a way that makes no sense and looks more like scum afraid theyll get lynched.

[brainbomb]

DoubtingThomas
Night-1 36:33
page 67 So uh can i get an update? I saw that we tied why r we arguing about ezio again

Who took the vision stone? Iron man right? Where is he

https://i.gifer.com/1els.gif

[brainbomb]

yavuzovic
Night-1 30:17
page 68 First of all, I want to state that Brain isn't confirmed. I don't know what to do here. SK knows who Gamora is but since we have only Brain's claim, we can't lynch him. Maybe a Vig shot on BB could be useful but also dangerous. That stone may go to bad hands.

Why are you advocating overloading the vig with tons and tons of stones exactly?

Plus, Jamie asked me about Snowy yesterday and I forgot it , I'll write something about Snowy soon. Sorry about that.

Why are you.apologizing to Jamie?

Related to the tie, SK didn't have much information about stones - I don't think SK knows more than us, do they?

You seem to think the sk might know more than a normal person.

And I believe SK used the vote power on heavy wagons but they were actually away from discussion. What SK should do now is hiding themselves. I believe SK was on the light wagons:
Jamie: ND(!) and brainbomb(!) ; Foxcastle: DoubtingThomas(!) ;
Vecna: damo666(!)

I may be wrong here but in this theory, sk pool is:
ND, brain, DT, and damo

Uhm, how am I EVER the sk?

Besides that, SK might try lynching people to get stones. I think that would be a good strategy for SK too. They were on a lynch-candidate-wagon (as power stone was used on darg wagon, I assume they were on darg wagon) and tried to lynch the target to get their stone if they had.

Theres just so few things in this post that make any sense.
Why do you feel you should be phrasing this post as positive ideas for sk. It looks like yer advising sk how to play. Why would town want to do this? Why do you assume sk was on darg and wanted a stone from him?

Were you townreading darg before or after this post? This implies you think sk wanted a stone from darg.

Also you described a (4) as a light wagon.
Jamie has me, fixcastle, DT and ND on him. How is that a light wagon?

[brainbomb]

Sk learns who gamora is Day 2. So youre wrong.

[damo666]

brain - see my post 852

I clearly state Ezio's fear of Reality Stone made him very likely town. My stating that i think Vig blundered is consistent. What's the problem?

Also why don't people read the set up?

[dargorygel]

I'll post my reads later... but here are my reactions to the last half of yesterday and this morning.

About HR… at first I was wondering if the Space Stone had been used on him. But then he posted. And then he posted in the beginning of the night. I suspect this stone will be used later, perhaps to attempt to ‘clear’ a scum.

The Vig in this game is very powerful, with his rechargeable weapon. I expect that (other than the SK) mafia will be spending a lot of effort and energy to find him. Including using the Reality Stone. So that verifiable statement by ChippeRock is bad. But not just if any of the scum are on the list Chippe gave. Scum can still logically deduce from the list. Perhaps by pushing lynches on the other unsure players. So while not giving carte blanche freedom to people on that list, we need to be watchful for odd behavior towards them.

@brainbomb
I like this calmer brain.

The likelihood that I am not SK does give me slightly more chance to be town, but also slightly more chance to be scum, so I am not sure that ghug’s switch to me carries any shade with it. But the fact that he switched to me at all casts personal shade, from my perspective. I didn’t really understand his push on me… you mention my conversation with ND… and I wonder if that seemed odd to him (and you) because you forgot that he and I GMed together last game…

Also @brain
I don’t think you are cleared. Hiding as Gamora (the real one not likely to CC, of course) is a safe seeming place, I would imagine. Either if you are the SK, OR if you are scum or town, it is very safe because we are unlikely to randomly or knee-jerk lynch you. And this sounds exactly like what Brainbomb might do. So not cleared… but maybe safe for a bit?

And also @brain
I didn’t interpret your claim as responding to instruction by ghug and xorxes. Brain does what brain wants. YES, they said that gamora should claim, but I read that as g and x dropping ideas to get reaction. No one else in the room ‘told’ you to do it. I think you did what you wanted to do, at the exact timing of the convenient discussion in the room.

@bo
Your vote switch is townie, to me. And your statements during it… the one place I don’t yet have traction is your urging me to omgus you. I regret not thinking through it more carefully before I did it. But as I said, it didn’t seem to matter much where I plopped my vote. I asked earlier, and assume missed it in the plethora of posts… but why did you urge me to vote for you?

Later all.

[DoubtingThomas]

I'll post my reads later... but here are my reactions to the last half of yesterday and this morning.

About HR… at first I was wondering if the Space Stone had been used on him. But then he posted. And then he posted in the beginning of the night. I suspect this stone will be used later, perhaps to attempt to ‘clear’ a scum.

The Vig in this game is very powerful, with his rechargeable weapon. I expect that (other than the SK) mafia will be spending a lot of effort and energy to find him. Including using the Reality Stone. So that verifiable statement by ChippeRock is bad. But not just if any of the scum are on the list Chippe gave. Scum can still logically deduce from the list. Perhaps by pushing lynches on the other unsure players. So while not giving carte blanche freedom to people on that list, we need to be watchful for odd behavior towards them.

@brainbomb
I like this calmer brain.

The likelihood that I am not SK does give me slightly more chance to be town, but also slightly more chance to be scum, so I am not sure that ghug’s switch to me carries any shade with it. But the fact that he switched to me at all casts personal shade, from my perspective. I didn’t really understand his push on me… you mention my conversation with ND… and I wonder if that seemed odd to him (and you) because you forgot that he and I GMed together last game…

Also @brain
I don’t think you are cleared. Hiding as Gamora (the real one not likely to CC, of course) is a safe seeming place, I would imagine. Either if you are the SK, OR if you are scum or town, it is very safe because we are unlikely to randomly or knee-jerk lynch you. And this sounds exactly like what Brainbomb might do. So not cleared… but maybe safe for a bit?

And also @brain
I didn’t interpret your claim as responding to instruction by ghug and xorxes. Brain does what brain wants. YES, they said that gamora should claim, but I read that as g and x dropping ideas to get reaction. No one else in the room ‘told’ you to do it. I think you did what you wanted to do, at the exact timing of the convenient discussion in the room.

@bo
Your vote switch is townie, to me. And your statements during it… the one place I don’t yet have traction is your urging me to omgus you. I regret not thinking through it more carefully before I did it. But as I said, it didn’t seem to matter much where I plopped my vote. I asked earlier, and assume missed it in the plethora of posts… but why did you urge me to vote for you?

Later all.

pretty sure if any stone (especially the space stone) is used, then we get a puhlic message saying that stone's been used, without the information on who used it

[DoubtingThomas]

maybe nto powerstone ? ##CALL GM: can you confirm?

[dargorygel]

"pretty sure if any stone (especially the space stone) is used, then we get a puhlic message saying that stone's been used, without the information on who used it"
I would not expect that at all... I would expect the stoner and the stonee to get notification. All we would see is the resulting effects.

[dargorygel]

... for instance, the mind stone lists particularly that the results are posted in general for all to see. IF that were the case with other stones, I assume it would say so.
I think the only indicator that the space stone was used would be someone's inactivity, without a ModKill.

[brainbomb]

Please don't say that, ChippeRock contributed very good so far. If you think he's wrong, just don't do what he says.
I believe Chippe is town, because newbie mafias slip a lot. I don't know if he played before though, how experienced are you Chippe?

□I believe x is town because newb maf slip.alot
□doesnt know if x is a newb
□asks if x is a newb

Slowwww

Down

On assuming things.

People are guilty until inno here. This isnt criminal justice.

Start by listing his good contributions. So far from my.pov his play was
□omgus heavy on vecna
□wanted to end hammer vecna for pushing him

His logic makes no sense and Mafia's interests are to lynch anybody that appears like a townie. I feel that's Mafia-ish enough for a temporary vote for him.

2 days to go; votes early into the phase almost always never stay the same.

□gave himself an out for eventually moving off vecna
□asks what end votes do
□learns what they do and decides to end vote
□decides vecna is sk

ippeRock
ChippeRock
Day-1 42:36
page 17 I have a slight SK read on Vecna since he was so quick to try lynching me and put an end vote on me. Town has no incentive to lynch me if they think I'm town and Mafia would rather lynch a player they think is a non-vanilla townie.

His reasons for lynching me make no sense either.

Whoever has the Soul Stone needs to let us know by Day 2 because that's when the SK will know and the Doctor will need to protect him that night.

□implies that scum only wants to lynch PR Day 1
□wants soul stone holder to claim

Wait, SK can't perform night kill until he has Soul Stone? If he can't kill how does he get it from Gamora?

How the hell are the stones transferred to the SK than?

Also, if Soul Stone has been activated and SK is lynched, what happens to it? Can a townie use it for a night kill?

□seems very concerned about how sk can get the stones. But also asks alot of questions about how a towny could get the stones.



ChippeRock
Day-1 41:31
page 19 The way ghug has been treating me I would read him with a moderate irritated townie

□reads ghug as town
□p21 banter with ike that stones mechanics arent.published.

I am now confident to say that only a Mafia would try getting everyone to lynch a townie.

My read on Vecna is a strong Mafia now simply because he tried framing me as Mafia.

□implies only mafia would try getting everyone to lynch a townie. Simply not accurate unfortunately.
□end hammers vecna
□vecna votes snowy, chippee accuses him of flip flopping 3 times in an hour

Vecna: "im gonna actively trade favors for people to vote with me to lynch snowie here.

If you lend me your vote, you can come ..."
There's no way your not Mafia. Why would you target snowy of all people though?

rdrivera's opinion doesn't matter as much because you could both be scum corroborating each other.

#%CALL GM

I feel as if this could violate the spirit of the game? Is Mafia supposed to be all about trading favors? I don't think so and it's up to you Ike on whether or not to make a ruling on this Ike.

I just feel like your decisions are way too sudden and might have been influenced by the Mafia chat.

□ASKS why target snowy of all people
□says rivera and vecna could be in cahoots
□ Asks GM if this is a rule violation??
□thinks vecna is influenced by mafia chat which is only open at night

to be lynched
ChippeRock
Day-1 25:59
page 36
↑ChippeRock: "Vote Count 1.3
y2kjbk (4): brainbomb, Foxcastle, rdrivera2005, DoubtingThomas
snowy801
(4): Vecna, Jamiet99uk, BismarckA..."
I feel like if we're this all over the place on who to lynch than probably whoever we do lynch will be a townie unfortunately

□thinks all wagons will flip town

"If we are this undecided on who's scum than that means there's a lack of information on who's scum and therefore it's probably closer to random on whether or not on we're lynching scum or town."

^beautiful moment there.

□thinks the wagons lend themselves more to randomness and town is powerless.
□Thinks snowy is scum for voting his biggest supporter

ChippeRock
Day-1 20:10
page 39 I betcha several of the people on the snowy wagon are scum and will switch from snowy to someone else last minute... Snowy would be scum in that scenario as well

□thinks scum are on snowy faking their read on him
□says snowy is trying to signal he is scum to scum (townslip?)

ChippeRock
Day-1 19:43
page 39 Well I think snowy might possibly be trying to alert the others he's scum without alerting the townies...

Perhaps voting xorxes does this

□Squiggs notes the townslips.

ChippeRock
Day-1 19:25
page 39
↑Squigs44: "So many townslips from this one.

@chip - mafia already knows who the other mafia are"
Really? I heard they only know who's who for the Night Kill of Day 1 and the first lynch is a blind lynch for the Mafia

TLDR : Are the townslips real or fake?

Theres enough material here to suggest Chippeerock is TOWN

[brainbomb]

brain - see my post 852

I clearly state Ezio's fear of Reality Stone made him very likely town. My stating that i think Vig blundered is consistent. What's the problem?

Also why don't people read the set up?

I read parts of every setup. I always pretend I didnt.

[damo666]

Didn't we say chip was town about 50 pages ago?