M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[BobMcBob]

GM NOTE:

worcej has REPLACED goldfinger0303

Oh that's um... great?

[damo666]

Town

Don't know how it came out as clue

[BobMcBob]

BobMcBob has spent today laser focused on my slot and an interaction with TFB - is this relevant for any particular reason?

Like, I get scumming goldie, but more interested in the TFB tie.

There was an indication or two that it could be a potential scumteam, so I looked into it.

[ghug]

So, FWIW, by watching loosely as a spectator and reviewing without much attachment, I wasn't shocked to see celaph and Durga flip scum (they both had poor performances imho) and Vecna was semi-shocking (I had him as a semi-town), but in general his gameplay was off to begin with so I wouldn't have fought against it.

From there, my thoughts why spectating was the final two scum are Jamie and ghug.

Jamie struck me as the most likely Godfather candidate and has done enough to dodge much actual suspicion while also being scummy (my read) with how he is presenting his analysis. This is the thing I am most comfortable with and would love input on from others.

The ghug read is based on the fact I dont recall him being butting heads with Jamie in any way (I may have missed it, so correct me if I am wrong) and has been enough non-townie to warrant a from me. Again, input appreciated.

I thought you scumread gold before entering? Were Jamie and I two and three, or what?

Jamie and I have definitely butted heads this game.

I know gold was town since I am him now, so that eliminates him from my pool.

Right, bit you said you thought it was me and Jamie while spectating, but you also said you thought it was gold. Thinking it's me and Jamie now is fine, but I'd like to know who you thought gold's partner was, and I find the contradiction suspicious.

[BobMcBob]

Worcej, just out of curiosity, what are your thoughts on damo and TFB?

[TheFlyingBoat]

So, FWIW, by watching loosely as a spectator and reviewing without much attachment, I wasn't shocked to see celaph and Durga flip scum (they both had poor performances imho) and Vecna was semi-shocking (I had him as a semi-town), but in general his gameplay was off to begin with so I wouldn't have fought against it.

From there, my thoughts why spectating was the final two scum are Jamie and ghug.

Jamie struck me as the most likely Godfather candidate and has done enough to dodge much actual suspicion while also being scummy (my read) with how he is presenting his analysis. This is the thing I am most comfortable with and would love input on from others.

The ghug read is based on the fact I dont recall him being butting heads with Jamie in any way (I may have missed it, so correct me if I am wrong) and has been enough non-townie to warrant a from me. Again, input appreciated.

if ghug were scum I'd expect significantly more miskills with his fingerprints on them. I don't think we get celaph D2, which means the blatant scumminess of Durga doesn't become apparent, which also makes the Durga-Foxna links made a lot weaker as well, which may have averted Foxna's death. As for ghug-jamie, he's been scum reading Jamie for a while and argued with him plenty, so while it's theoretically possible either could be scum, I don't think that reasoning does anything.

How do you feel about Jamie?

I like jamie. I have some worries given the allusions to prior games where he bussed his team incredibly hard, but for the time being I am inclined to say ghug v jamie is TvT

[Jamiet99uk]

Welcome, Worcej.

Let me just lay out a few facts for you:

- I was the deciding vote on Scum Celaph.
- I predicted that Durga would flip scum and I voted for her.
- I pushed for a Vecna wagon and was on it.

Please explain to me why I am your top scumread.

[ghug]

Welcome, Worcej.

Let me just lay out a few facts for you:

- I was the deciding vote on Scum Celaph.
- I predicted that Durga would flip scum and I voted for her.
- I pushed for a Vecna wagon and was on it.

Please explain to me why I am your top scumread.

What do you think of his assertion that we haven't butted heads?

[worcej]

BobMcBob has spent today laser focused on my slot and an interaction with TFB - is this relevant for any particular reason?

Like, I get scumming goldie, but more interested in the TFB tie.

There was an indication or two that it could be a potential scumteam, so I looked into it.

Could you point me to an event or phase - when did this indicator occur?

[worcej]

I thought you scumread gold before entering? Were Jamie and I two and three, or what?

Jamie and I have definitely butted heads this game.

I know gold was town since I am him now, so that eliminates him from my pool.

Right, bit you said you thought it was me and Jamie while spectating, but you also said you thought it was gold. Thinking it's me and Jamie now is fine, but I'd like to know who you thought gold's partner was, and I find the contradiction suspicious.

I don't think gold did anything at the time to give me a partner - I thought he was scum because he said he wasn't asking for a sub because there was a lack of subs (which there wasn't)

[ghug]

I know gold was town since I am him now, so that eliminates him from my pool.

Right, bit you said you thought it was me and Jamie while spectating, but you also said you thought it was gold. Thinking it's me and Jamie now is fine, but I'd like to know who you thought gold's partner was, and I find the contradiction suspicious.

I don't think gold did anything at the time to give me a partner - I thought he was scum because he said he wasn't asking for a sub because there was a lack of subs (which there wasn't)

Who was your second highest scumread, then?

[worcej]

Worcej, just out of curiosity, what are your thoughts on damo and TFB?

I like these kinda questions because you're making me dig harder and really look at someone with no preconceived biases.

Damo's history leads me to think he's a potential scum, a lot more than ghug is (TBF, my ghug thing is weak anyways). Damo's D1 his comment regarding Flum needing to go seemed misplaced and like he was piggy-backing off others points. It was a boring phase and not much to gather - good treading water kinda effort.

D2 he focused far too much on you (Bob) and his D2 list comes off mostly fake because of how contrived the reads were. He begins to set up these little possible pairs to hunt after, which follows through throughout the game.

D3 his early Durga vote was pretty soft and he had 3 other outs to fall to, which is a typical pattern this game from him. Him finally ending on Durga with 13 hours late was well after it was pretty obvious she was scum and done with this game, so I don't give him any credit. He kept trying to set pairs up with her, which I believe helped him build his cases on more town down the road.

D4 started off with his setup on Bona, but then shifted to the HR express for some weird tangent. He avoided Vecna and wanted to get HR first, which is an interesting potential attempt to buy the scum RB some time to stop a PR (the cop was still in play) and wanting to dodge a scan.

D5 is his Bona shot that he setup on D3. Continues to hammer home a HR pairing and top read.

D6 is the HR flip, which doesn't make any sense now that he should see Bona was town. He lasers on this.

Effectively - Damo has really only scummed Bona, HR, and Bob. That's the entire game from him, minus some noise. He isn't adapting his reads worth a shit.

##vote Damo - I like this a lot more after doing a thorough read.

I'll look at Boat like I did here later - my wife is nagging me to come watch TV with her and my son.

[worcej]

Right, bit you said you thought it was me and Jamie while spectating, but you also said you thought it was gold. Thinking it's me and Jamie now is fine, but I'd like to know who you thought gold's partner was, and I find the contradiction suspicious.

I don't think gold did anything at the time to give me a partner - I thought he was scum because he said he wasn't asking for a sub because there was a lack of subs (which there wasn't)

Who was your second highest scumread, then?

At what point? I have been pretty consistently vibing that Jamie is the GF and I made a god post thinking you needed to die too as kgray died. So if the timing of your question is when I became gold, then it'd be you.

My reads are going to super adapt depending on reference and as I dig more deeper into this game. After my damo dive at Bob's request, I have a hard scum~boner for him.

[Maniac]

Jamie…

Welcome, Worcej.

Let me just lay out a few facts for you:

- I was the deciding vote on Scum Celaph.
- I predicted that Durga would flip scum and I voted for her.
- I pushed for a Vecna wagon and was on it.

Please explain to me why I am your top scumread.

Also Jamie…

<snip> … I like to bus…<snip>

[worcej]

Jamie…

Welcome, Worcej.

Let me just lay out a few facts for you:

- I was the deciding vote on Scum Celaph.
- I predicted that Durga would flip scum and I voted for her.
- I pushed for a Vecna wagon and was on it.

Please explain to me why I am your top scumread.

Also Jamie…

<snip> … I like to bus…<snip>

Yeah, Jamie’s post didn’t dissuade me. I know Jamie can bus and have seen him do it regularly.

[worcej]

Man, I still want Jamie to be flipped….

[worcej]

##vote Jamie

That post to try to push me off was awful as shit.

[rdrivera2005]

Welcome Worcej.

I thought Gold was scum for a long time, but I will give you some time because of the scan.

Jamiet isn't a bad vote, if you believe he really likes to buss.

[Jamiet99uk]

##vote Jamie

That post to try to push me off was awful as shit.

How was it?
I laid out the facts.
Go fuck yourself.

[Jamiet99uk]

And you can fuck yourself too, Maniac.

Nobody has put in more effort, in this game, to win the game for town, than me.

Maniac, by contrast, has done nothing whatsoever apart from trying as hard as possible to avoid voting for scum, posting stupid bullshit linguistic theories that don't mean anything, and making a stupid pointless distracting fake cop claim.

If Maniac is town he should be banned from the next game.

I've had enough.

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