MAFIA XXXVIII: INFINITY WAR

[Jamiet99uk]

If every player is at only a 1 wagon at end of day, whichever wagon sk is on is a 2. And thus sk outs themself mechanically and I assume their vote x2 ability is not optional, therefore they just get caught every time in a situation where theres no wagon parity

Wrong.

Go and read the rules again.

First of all, the stone can be used to set a player's vote strength to 0, 1 or 2. It's not just an automatic x2.

Second, the holder of the stone does not have to use the power on themself. They can double or zero another player's vote.

Your theory is a load of crap.

[brainbomb]

Also brainbomb, not sure why youre not aware, but the SK can use his stone on anyone.

That seemed like a real attempt to force a dumbtell, because you havent been actively looking into who on the darg wagon would be the most likely SK.

Kinda hard to dumbtell as an already-clear. But good point I didnt know the stone on dargo was sk putting it there. I thought scum had a vote multiplier too. Ok then. So my strategy doesnt work. Thanks. All I needed you to tell me was I am mistaken on what happened.

[brainbomb]

Ok thanks. Got it. I didnt read every detail on each stone. Moving on

[DoubtingThomas]

Also brainbomb, not sure why youre not aware, but the SK can use his stone on anyone.

That seemed like a real attempt to force a dumbtell, because you havent been actively looking into who on the darg wagon would be the most likely SK.

Kinda hard to dumbtell as an already-clear. But good point I didnt know the stone on dargo was sk putting it there. I thought scum had a vote multiplier too. Ok then. So my strategy doesnt work. Thanks. All I needed you to tell me was I am mistaken on what happened.

How r u already cleared? I missed it maybe

[brainbomb]

Also brainbomb, not sure why youre not aware, but the SK can use his stone on anyone.

That seemed like a real attempt to force a dumbtell, because you havent been actively looking into who on the darg wagon would be the most likely SK.

Kinda hard to dumbtell as an already-clear. But good point I didnt know the stone on dargo was sk putting it there. I thought scum had a vote multiplier too. Ok then. So my strategy doesnt work. Thanks. All I needed you to tell me was I am mistaken on what happened.

How r u already cleared? I missed it maybe

I have soul stone
Scum doesnt start with soul stone.

This has been outed info for almost 40 pages

[Vecna]

Thats the problem with the boy crying wolf eh.

No idea if you actually are Gomorra. If not, its again playing a very dangerous game because we might be unawarely lynching the real deal activating the SK.

Claiming it as the actual SK seems a bit of a risky gambit, even for you though.

As scum....I dno. Im guessing the item thief cannot even steal the Gamorra stone

[brainbomb]

Thats the problem with the boy crying wolf eh.

No idea if you actually are Gomorra. If not, its again playing a very dangerous game because we might be unawarely lynching the real deal activating the SK.

Claiming it as the actual SK seems a bit of a risky gambit, even for you though.

As scum....I dno. Im guessing the item thief cannot even steal the Gamorra stone

Theif absolutely will steal my stone tonight.
Scum wants sk to potentially get his stone and activate it so that they can sacrifice theif to help get sk his stone if they need. Its a way scum could get an extra kp

[brainbomb]

People keep saying I fake alot. I was ASKED to claim. I didnt want to claim for this exact reason. If youre mad I claimed direct your annoyance at xorxes and ghug who said it was best play for gamora.

[DoubtingThomas]

Thats the problem with the boy crying wolf eh.

No idea if you actually are Gomorra. If not, its again playing a very dangerous game because we might be unawarely lynching the real deal activating the SK.

Claiming it as the actual SK seems a bit of a risky gambit, even for you though.

As scum....I dno. Im guessing the item thief cannot even steal the Gamorra stone

Theif absolutely will steal my stone tonight.
Scum wants sk to potentially get his stone and activate it so that they can sacrifice theif to help get sk his stone if they need. Its a way scum could get an extra kp

Can u give the stone to someone else?

[Vecna]

Not even sure if that stone can be stolen.

Also, scum activating an SK that can kill them while they cannot kill it....seems like a risky gambit. Maybe on they'll need giving the player numbers, but a very risky gambit.

They could effectively never win against the SK, unless they out themselves to instruct town who the SK is if they figure it out due to a failed NK.

Getting the kill stone on SK means that scum can only lynch him without towns help if theyre all alive in a 5v1 showdown (because he'll have 3 votes and a NK).

This is why im so doubtfull that Gamorra would even know her own identity. Scum have no real incentive to activate the SK. Town can just insta-claim it and live as a townclear that is unlynchable. Leaving the SK to scrape for the leftovers untill that time he finally has enough votes to solo lynch Gamorra. Which is a tricky proposition.

[Vecna]

The stone is attached, not active

My interpretation means that nothing can be done with, or to the stone, untill it comes in possesion of the SK.

[Vecna]

1 Soul Stone: Becomes active in the possession of the Serial Killer, they can use it to perform a traditional night kill if they choose. If Serial Killer loses the stone it still works for Mafia or Town!! Item is attached to a certain VT at the beginning of the game, they cannot give it away. The serial killer learns which player is said VT at the beginning of D2.

##call gm - can the soul stone be stolen by the item thief before it is activated?

[Vecna]

Actually disregard that, it literally states the item starts out of play, so im pretty sure nothing can happen to it untill Gamorra simply dies.

[brainbomb]

It says I cannot give it away ,id assume it can be taken.


Thief steals soul stone
Thief gets lynched and sk helps
Sk gets soul stone
Sk activates soul stone
Sk gets lynched by several scum
Scum has soul stone activated and gets 2 kp per night

Thats the long play path I assumed scum would go for

[Vecna]

That'd be some pretty stupid fucking scum if thats the plan they were going for. Wasnt it written in the rules somewhere that stones of lynched people either went to the SK or a random VT?

[Vecna]

Anyways, ive been forgetting about this stupid stone that the scum have that lets them check if a statement is true or a lie......

We should probably be checking for those people that made blanket statements to figure out which of the people held the two stones (naming several people), because I have a feeling they might be very close to tracking that person down.

[brainbomb]

From the Maf QT

Ghug: Anybody got any dumb ideas?

Jamiet99uk: Hold my beer.

Kay, lets steal brains stone, have HR suicide, get the stone into sk hands, sk gets lynched by us, boom we get 2 kp each night.

**Hellenic Riot is grilling duck**

Ghug: Anybody got any non stupid ideas?

DoubtingThomas: lets keep spamming 70 posts per phase and drown out real discourse.

[brainbomb]

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ChippeRock
Day-1 02:21
page 54 Oh shit. Since Ike just posted the vote count that means he just received message which means the people who were online on the forum at the time bozotheclown, ChippeRock, flash2015, ND, WarLegend, y2kjbk are likely the Vig.

●Vig shots can be scheduled
●Why did you try to identify the vig in this manner?
●Why do you assume that vig would not log out after sending the shot?

[DoubtingThomas]

From the Maf QT

Ghug: Anybody got any dumb ideas?

Jamiet99uk: Hold my beer.

Kay, lets steal brains stone, have HR suicide, get the stone into sk hands, sk gets lynched by us, boom we get 2 kp each night.

**Hellenic Riot is grilling duck**

Ghug: Anybody got any non stupid ideas?

DoubtingThomas: lets keep spamming 70 posts per phase and drown out real discourse.

Stfu these arent funny

[brainbomb]

@Flash, after vig shot ezio you said no one should have any faith in my reads. Why does ezio flipping town nullify all my reads?

@Chippee

ChippeRock
Day-1 02:15
page 54
↑flash2015: "#CALL GM - I assume that means the Vig gets the Vision's stone?"
I think probably so. Hey Vig, why don't you post someone's name for all to see? Perhaps on the biggest wagon?

It sure looks like youre trying to get vig to out. Or signal you.