M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[Chaqa]

Maniac and gold live in a nebulous "maybe scum, but we aren't voitng them so they aren't really in my thoughts" state for now. Overall here'

BobMcBob - Town, but I hate that I think he's town. There's been a lot of scum votes on Bob (Day 1 and Day 2) and he's been up for a kill a few times. Mostly town based off Durga and celaph pushing him on Day 1 - maybe he should be back in the PoE?

damo666 - Hasn't struck me as particularly scummy on his own, but with so many other stronger townreads, he's in my PoE. I'd probably put him behind Donny in my voting order, and maybe on par with HR or Bob.

Donny Dude - Scum suspect, based on his low activity, the potential he was being bussed Day 1, and his general apathy toward the game. I haven't played with Donny enough to have built up a meta read on him yet unfortunately. If he is scum, I don't think he's the Godfather since it seemed Durga wanted to bus him.

g-Hug - Very solid townread due to his N1 roleblock fake-claim, his arguments for TFB's towniness and why we should vote celaph on Day 2, and a general meta-read

goldfinger0303 - Schrodinger's clear. Early in the game he did a few things that struck me as town, around the time Bozo was doing other things that struck me as town, and I mentally noted to remind myself "Bona town, Bozo town, goldie town". I was right on the first two, so maybe I'm wrong on him? He's in contention for godfather, but probably isn't scum if HR flips goon.

Hellenic Riot - Early on he was one of my core scum suspects, but the more he posts the more town I feel. Still, with how many townreads I have, if one had to go, it would still probably be him (or maybe Bob).

Jamiet99uk - Was the deciding vote on celaph, and I've followed his thought processes very easily. The back-and-forth with Durga, myself, and him over what is and isn't a joke also seems like something he doesn't do if scum with Durga.

kgray - Town based off the way she's digging into people, digging into details, and generally seems like a bloodhound following a scent. Reminds me of the town games. Small possibility of deep-cover scum, mostly based off the weird back-and-forth with her celaph read on Day 2, but only like a 10% chance I would say.

Maniac - Schrodinger's clear. Flip a coin here, I don't know how to read him. Fake cop claim stuff seems town I think.

rdrivera2005 - Similar to Damo, hasn't struck me particularly scummy but also not blown me away with towniness. His celaph vote is his biggest strength. Wouldn't be surprised if he's scum, but I don't really want to vote him yet.

TheFlyingBoat - I've flip-flopped a lot on TFB, sometimes wanting an info flip despite a town read, sometimes thinking he's scum, but after the last interactions I had with him I figure he's just town.

[kgray]

Hello.

RIP Bona. I see from the bot that you voted for yourself. Not helpful but, well, there we go. RIP anyway.

HR trying to flashwagon me as soon as I said I'd gone to bed is nasty.

@Kgray why do you suddenly scumread me?

I don’t trust anybody anymore.

Just because you can't hear them doesn't mean there aren't rats under your floorboards.

really feel like you should be more indignant that I voted you without giving much of a reason

[Jamiet99uk]

##vote ghug

Good thing you died I guess. Loser.

Kgray better EoD but I'm still annoyed cause she's gonna do this shit tomorrow and I was supposed to die last night as maniac's inno.

As maniac’s inno?

When Maniac was still persisting in his Cop claim, he claimed to have an "innocent" scan on Ghug.

[Jamiet99uk]

I'd like to vote in the pool of Hellenic Riot / Maniac tomorrow.

Maniac is a bad vote. He is behaving like he does as town and he has been scanned innocent. Omg

He also made a fake Cop claim and the real Cop suspected him of being the GodFather. Omg.

[Chaqa]

I think we should put Bob back in the PoE.

Sus tier: Bob, Donny, HR
Meh tier: Damo, Rivera
TBD tier: Goldie, Maniac
TFB tier: TFB
Jeff Kuta tier: Chaqa, ghug, kgray, Jamie

[kgray]

@damo can you please summarize why you scumread maniac? I have looked through your ISO and an you just continually appear to be willing to vote him despite defending his 'mad theory' to TFB but the only reason I can find for you scumreading him is that you don't townread him. On N3 you agreed that he was town but then soon after you tell Chaqa to put him back into his scumpool, and then you're just back to keeping him in your 'would-vote' list.

I don't see any reason for scum!Maniac to claim cop there. He was under so little pressure and Vecna was clearly under pressure, it couldn't have been worth it to out the cop in exchange for both of them. Besides, scum hitting Demon last night kinda makes me think they figured out he was the cop anyway, though that's not really the point and I still don't think scum!Maniac fakeclaims like that.

More POE than actual scumread. There is no VCA to eliminate him and I do think the fakeclaim could have been a scum move to out the real cop. However I would prefer HR first.

I don't think we can use VCA to eliminate anybody and I have convincing (imo) reasons to think Maniac is town. I do not believe the fake claim comes from scum and I do not think it was an attempt to out the real cop.

[kgray]

I'd like to vote in the pool of Hellenic Riot / Maniac tomorrow.

Maniac is a bad vote. He is behaving like he does as town and he has been scanned innocent. Omg

He also made a fake Cop claim and the real Cop suspected him of being the GodFather. Omg.

That fake cop claim makes zero sense coming from scum and the real Cop doesn't know any more than we do about whether Maniac is the godfather or town.

[Jamiet99uk]

I retract this. Gold is off the table. Maniac very much on it.

Aha ok cool.

Add Ghug to the pool based on your analysis, and tomorrow we should vote between HR / Ghug / Maniac.

Since when do you just take damo's analysis at face value?

Since 1981.

[kgray]

I think we should put Bob back in the PoE.

Sus tier: Bob, Donny, HR
Meh tier: Damo, Rivera
TBD tier: Goldie, Maniac
TFB tier: TFB
Jeff Kuta tier: Chaqa, ghug, kgray, Jamie

No, I don't think we can put bob back in the POE when two flipped scum tried to get a bob counterwagon to town!Flum near EoD1.

[Jamiet99uk]

Maniac is a bad vote. He is behaving like he does as town and he has been scanned innocent. Omg

He also made a fake Cop claim and the real Cop suspected him of being the GodFather. Omg.

That fake cop claim makes zero sense coming from scum and the real Cop doesn't know any more than we do about whether Maniac is the godfather or town.

Respect the dead.

[Jamiet99uk]

I don’t trust anybody anymore.

Just because you can't hear them doesn't mean there aren't rats under your floorboards.

really feel like you should be more indignant that I voted you without giving much of a reason

I am a calm and gentle individual. Indignance and outrage are not my style.

[kgray]

@damo can you please summarize why you scumread maniac? I have looked through your ISO and an you just continually appear to be willing to vote him despite defending his 'mad theory' to TFB but the only reason I can find for you scumreading him is that you don't townread him. On N3 you agreed that he was town but then soon after you tell Chaqa to put him back into his scumpool, and then you're just back to keeping him in your 'would-vote' list.

I don't see any reason for scum!Maniac to claim cop there. He was under so little pressure and Vecna was clearly under pressure, it couldn't have been worth it to out the cop in exchange for both of them. Besides, scum hitting Demon last night kinda makes me think they figured out he was the cop anyway, though that's not really the point and I still don't think scum!Maniac fakeclaims like that.

More POE than actual scumread. There is no VCA to eliminate him and I do think the fakeclaim could have been a scum move to out the real cop. However I would prefer HR first.

I don't think we can use VCA to eliminate anybody and I have convincing (imo) reasons to think Maniac is town. I do not believe the fake claim comes from scum and I do not think it was an attempt to out the real cop.

I have just realized I am using VCA to eliminate bob from my scumpool, so I should be less black and white about that statement. But I think that two flipped scum trying to make him a wagon is a lot more of a reason to townread bob than someone putting a deciding vote on a widely-townread scumbo like celaph. I mean at this point, everyone pushing hard for the celaph counterwagon was town. I think it's pretty safe to assume scum gave up on him (which was very rude, I would have never).

[kgray]

Let's make Jamie an actual wagon tomorrow pls

[Jamiet99uk]

Let's make Jamie an actual wagon tomorrow pls

Why?

Make a case on me that's based on something more than "I don't trust anyone and Jamie is insufficiently upset that I voted for him" please. I dare you.

[damo666]

@damo can you please summarize why you scumread maniac? I have looked through your ISO and an you just continually appear to be willing to vote him despite defending his 'mad theory' to TFB but the only reason I can find for you scumreading him is that you don't townread him. On N3 you agreed that he was town but then soon after you tell Chaqa to put him back into his scumpool, and then you're just back to keeping him in your 'would-vote' list.

I don't see any reason for scum!Maniac to claim cop there. He was under so little pressure and Vecna was clearly under pressure, it couldn't have been worth it to out the cop in exchange for both of them. Besides, scum hitting Demon last night kinda makes me think they figured out he was the cop anyway, though that's not really the point and I still don't think scum!Maniac fakeclaims like that.

More POE than actual scumread. There is no VCA to eliminate him and I do think the fakeclaim could have been a scum move to out the real cop. However I would prefer HR first.

I don't think we can use VCA to eliminate anybody and I have convincing (imo) reasons to think Maniac is town. I do not believe the fake claim comes from scum and I do not think it was an attempt to out the real cop.

I think we can use VCA to eliminate gold.

[kgray]

More POE than actual scumread. There is no VCA to eliminate him and I do think the fakeclaim could have been a scum move to out the real cop. However I would prefer HR first.

I don't think we can use VCA to eliminate anybody and I have convincing (imo) reasons to think Maniac is town. I do not believe the fake claim comes from scum and I do not think it was an attempt to out the real cop.

I think we can use VCA to eliminate gold.

Why is that? You keep changing your reads and I can't follow why.

Also, what do you think HR's theory that Vecna was resisting a gold wagon D4?

[kgray]

Let's make Jamie an actual wagon tomorrow pls

Why?

Make a case on me that's based on something more than "I don't trust anyone and Jamie is insufficiently upset that I voted for him" please. I dare you.

Nah I don't feel like making a whole case. You're just constantly ignoring reason enough that I don't think you have genuine reads anymore. Maybe because you bussed too much of your team and now you don't want to give up your last buddy, so you're just floating around willing to kill whomever.

[Chaqa]

I think we should put Bob back in the PoE.

Sus tier: Bob, Donny, HR
Meh tier: Damo, Rivera
TBD tier: Goldie, Maniac
TFB tier: TFB
Jeff Kuta tier: Chaqa, ghug, kgray, Jamie

No, I don't think we can put bob back in the POE when two flipped scum tried to get a bob counterwagon to town!Flum near EoD1.

I just looked at Durga and celaph's day 1 ISO w/r/t Bob.

durga, celaph, join me

fine ##vote bob

That doesn't really look like "trying to get a Bob wagon going" so much as being indifferent. Again, I think it's possible there was a summit_fever style bus going on at some point.

Celaph's is kinda interesting.

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?us ... rt=d1&g=72

He goes from saying he likes several things about Bob, to shading him, in a really weird and unnatural way. I recommend doing a Ctrl+F on Bob in the above ISO and seeing if it makes sense to you. Not sure what to make of it yet.

[Chaqa]

Just because you can't hear them doesn't mean there aren't rats under your floorboards.

really feel like you should be more indignant that I voted you without giving much of a reason

I am a calm and gentle individual. Indignance and outrage are not my style.

@Durga - is this a joke?

[Chaqa]

Let's make Jamie an actual wagon tomorrow pls

no