M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[Jamiet99uk]

I'd like to vote in the pool of Hellenic Riot / Maniac tomorrow.

I think as a matter of policy Maniac and gold should be off the table until D8 say.

I understand your viewpoint but, on reflection, I am concerend that the risk is, if one of them is the GodFather, this policy could allow the remaining scum to have a hand in curating a series of mis-kills on the remaining pool.

Resolving Hellenic Riot would suit me, and would comply with your policy, however.

[Jamiet99uk]

I'd like to vote in the pool of Hellenic Riot / Maniac tomorrow.

I think as a matter of policy Maniac and gold should be off the table until D8 say.

I retract this. Gold is off the table. Maniac very much on it.

Aha ok cool.

Add Ghug to the pool based on your analysis, and tomorrow we should vote between HR / Ghug / Maniac.

[damo666]

I think as a matter of policy Maniac and gold should be off the table until D8 say.

I retract this. Gold is off the table. Maniac very much on it.

Aha ok cool.

Add Ghug to the pool based on your analysis, and tomorrow we should vote between HR / Ghug / Maniac.

Yep agreed.

I think HR best. If HR flips goon or town then follow up with Maniac, if HR flips GF follow up with Chaqa.

[Jamiet99uk]

I retract this. Gold is off the table. Maniac very much on it.

Aha ok cool.

Add Ghug to the pool based on your analysis, and tomorrow we should vote between HR / Ghug / Maniac.

Yep agreed.

I think HR best. If HR flips goon or town then follow up with Maniac, if HR flips GF follow up with Chaqa.

Okay, let's yeet Hellenic Riot tomorrow. He was on my D2 predicted scumteam so I'd love to be right about that.

[Jamiet99uk]

Sorry it was N2, not D2, but still, here it was:

Predicted Scumteam:

Two of:
BobMcBob, Durga, Hellenic Riot

At least one of:
Vecna, Maniac

If only one of Vecna and Maniac is scum, then also:
Bonatogether.

- I was right about Durga
- I was right about Vecna
- It's possible I was technically right about Bonatogether, if Maniac is scum.

Ding ding, taxi for Hellenic Riot.

[BobMcBob]

Bob - "I'm gonna look for scum connections between Durga and gold"

Also Bob - "Didn't find any connections, but gold is still scum with Durga"

I swear if I didn't know this was a vanilla setup, I'd have thought there was a jester role or something.

There is nothing to make it less likely to be the case. In fact, durga randomly saying she wouldn't vote you with no explanation makes it slightly more likely. Stop purposefully misinterpreting me, it's only cool when I do it. Also you did it wrong.

[BobMcBob]

What can we glean from voting?

Day 1 durga and celaph both voting Bob implies Bob almost certainly not GF

Day 2 similarly due to durga/celaph votes TFB almost certainly not GF

Jamie/Donny/rdr virtually simultaneously voting celaph when TFB 8-6 looks very good especially considering TFB unlikely GF. I consider it enough to lock town these 3.

Ghug's vote also looks ghug but not enough to lock town him.

HR looks bad if TFB is town.

Day 3

Chaqa self vote bizarre.

The people with best credit from durga votes are gold and TFB

Day 4

Chaqa looks good unless HR is GF

Kgr best looking Vecna vote and considering roleblocks I put her lockdown.

Vecna's gold vote implies gold not GF and as gold cannot be goon gold is locktown.

Day 5

A mess.

Conclusions:

GF pool: Maniac HR ghug
Goon pool: Chaqa HR ghug Bob

Possible pairs GF goon in order of likelihood

HR Chaqa
Maniac HR
Maniac ghug
Maniac Bob
Maniac Chaqa
HR ghug
HR Bob
ghug HR
ghug Bob
ghug Chaqa

Given the overwhelming support for the Vecna wagon over the goldfinger wagon at the time, I don't think you can clear goldfinger at all from Vecna's vote, especially when he went everywhere else first. Plus your entirely unnaunced defense of the inno scans rubs me the wrong way. Damo could be scum here, or just town blinding himself with maths and faulty assumptions. Either one is very possible.

[BobMcBob]

I'd like to vote in the pool of Hellenic Riot / Maniac tomorrow.

I think as a matter of policy Maniac and gold should be off the table until D8 say.

I retract this. Gold is off the table. Maniac very much on it.

Oh that's worse. Why is gold off the table exactly?

[BobMcBob]

I'd like to vote in the pool of Hellenic Riot / Maniac tomorrow.

I think as a matter of policy Maniac and gold should be off the table until D8 say.

I understand your viewpoint but, on reflection, I am concerend that the risk is, if one of them is the GodFather, this policy could allow the remaining scum to have a hand in curating a series of mis-kills on the remaining pool.

Resolving Hellenic Riot would suit me, and would comply with your policy, however.

Geez, finally. That's one person who realises how absolutely stupid the aversion to gold/maniac votes is.

[Jamiet99uk]

I think as a matter of policy Maniac and gold should be off the table until D8 say.

I understand your viewpoint but, on reflection, I am concerend that the risk is, if one of them is the GodFather, this policy could allow the remaining scum to have a hand in curating a series of mis-kills on the remaining pool.

Resolving Hellenic Riot would suit me, and would comply with your policy, however.

Geez, finally. That's one person who realises how absolutely stupid the aversion to gold/maniac votes is.

I talked about it yesterday, but there was a chorus of disapproval.

[Jamiet99uk]

So Bob, are you down for HR vs Maniac vs Ghug in the morning?

[damo666]

What can we glean from voting?

Day 1 durga and celaph both voting Bob implies Bob almost certainly not GF

Day 2 similarly due to durga/celaph votes TFB almost certainly not GF

Jamie/Donny/rdr virtually simultaneously voting celaph when TFB 8-6 looks very good especially considering TFB unlikely GF. I consider it enough to lock town these 3.

Ghug's vote also looks ghug but not enough to lock town him.

HR looks bad if TFB is town.

Day 3

Chaqa self vote bizarre.

The people with best credit from durga votes are gold and TFB

Day 4

Chaqa looks good unless HR is GF

Kgr best looking Vecna vote and considering roleblocks I put her lockdown.

Vecna's gold vote implies gold not GF and as gold cannot be goon gold is locktown.

Day 5

A mess.

Conclusions:

GF pool: Maniac HR ghug
Goon pool: Chaqa HR ghug Bob

Possible pairs GF goon in order of likelihood

HR Chaqa
Maniac HR
Maniac ghug
Maniac Bob
Maniac Chaqa
HR ghug
HR Bob
ghug HR
ghug Bob
ghug Chaqa

Given the overwhelming support for the Vecna wagon over the goldfinger wagon at the time, I don't think you can clear goldfinger at all from Vecna's vote, especially when he went everywhere else first. Plus your entirely unnaunced defense of the inno scans rubs me the wrong way. Damo could be scum here, or just town blinding himself with maths and faulty assumptions. Either one is very possible.

The standing immediately before Vecna switched from HR to Gold was HR5 Vecna5 Gold4. No overwhelming anywhere. The only way Vecna switches from HR to Gold here is if HR is GF but then that implies gold is goon which we know is impossible. Vecna is not gonna switching from either goonHR or townHR to GFgold is he?

The only scanned player who can be GF is Maniac [the false cop claimant I remind you]. You need to untunnel Bob.

[BobMcBob]

What can we glean from voting?

Day 1 durga and celaph both voting Bob implies Bob almost certainly not GF

Day 2 similarly due to durga/celaph votes TFB almost certainly not GF

Jamie/Donny/rdr virtually simultaneously voting celaph when TFB 8-6 looks very good especially considering TFB unlikely GF. I consider it enough to lock town these 3.

Ghug's vote also looks ghug but not enough to lock town him.

HR looks bad if TFB is town.

Day 3

Chaqa self vote bizarre.

The people with best credit from durga votes are gold and TFB

Day 4

Chaqa looks good unless HR is GF

Kgr best looking Vecna vote and considering roleblocks I put her lockdown.

Vecna's gold vote implies gold not GF and as gold cannot be goon gold is locktown.

Day 5

A mess.

Conclusions:

GF pool: Maniac HR ghug
Goon pool: Chaqa HR ghug Bob

Possible pairs GF goon in order of likelihood

HR Chaqa
Maniac HR
Maniac ghug
Maniac Bob
Maniac Chaqa
HR ghug
HR Bob
ghug HR
ghug Bob
ghug Chaqa

Given the overwhelming support for the Vecna wagon over the goldfinger wagon at the time, I don't think you can clear goldfinger at all from Vecna's vote, especially when he went everywhere else first. Plus your entirely unnaunced defense of the inno scans rubs me the wrong way. Damo could be scum here, or just town blinding himself with maths and faulty assumptions. Either one is very possible.

The standing immediately before Vecna switched from HR to Gold was HR5 Vecna5 Gold4. No overwhelming anywhere. The only way Vecna switches from HR to Gold here is if HR is GF but then that implies gold is goon which we know is impossible. Vecna is not gonna switching from either goonHR or townHR to GFgold is he?

The only scanned player who can be GF is Maniac [the false cop claimant I remind you]. You need to untunnel Bob.

Basically everybody preferred Vecna to gold in the case of a tie, and I think Vecna's smart enough to notice.

[Jamiet99uk]

Given the overwhelming support for the Vecna wagon over the goldfinger wagon at the time, I don't think you can clear goldfinger at all from Vecna's vote, especially when he went everywhere else first. Plus your entirely unnaunced defense of the inno scans rubs me the wrong way. Damo could be scum here, or just town blinding himself with maths and faulty assumptions. Either one is very possible.

The standing immediately before Vecna switched from HR to Gold was HR5 Vecna5 Gold4. No overwhelming anywhere. The only way Vecna switches from HR to Gold here is if HR is GF but then that implies gold is goon which we know is impossible. Vecna is not gonna switching from either goonHR or townHR to GFgold is he?

The only scanned player who can be GF is Maniac [the false cop claimant I remind you]. You need to untunnel Bob.

I've re-read the end of that Day. Whilst Kgray and DemonRHK had both indicated serious dislike for the Goldfinger wagon and wanted Vecna and I was pushing Vecna, on the other hand I note Ghug, HR, Bonatogether, and Bob himself, all pushing the Goldfinger wagon. So I agree with Damo there was not "overwhelming support" for the Vecna wagon over Goldie. Not just from the perspective of the Vote Count, but also from what people were saying.

[Jamiet99uk]

The standing immediately before Vecna switched from HR to Gold was HR5 Vecna5 Gold4. No overwhelming anywhere. The only way Vecna switches from HR to Gold here is if HR is GF but then that implies gold is goon which we know is impossible. Vecna is not gonna switching from either goonHR or townHR to GFgold is he?

The only scanned player who can be GF is Maniac [the false cop claimant I remind you]. You need to untunnel Bob.

Basically everybody preferred Vecna to gold in the case of a tie, and I think Vecna's smart enough to notice.

Hard disagree. There was a group of people (led by HR and Ghug but including you, Bob) calling loudly for Goldfinger votes up until a few minutes after Vecna's vote moved.

[kgray]

Hello.

RIP Bona. I see from the bot that you voted for yourself. Not helpful but, well, there we go. RIP anyway.

HR trying to flashwagon me as soon as I said I'd gone to bed is nasty.

@Kgray why do you suddenly scumread me?

I don’t trust anybody anymore.

[kgray]

Rivera I voted for out of mostly defeat - I don't like any of the major wagons we've had going.

Bona vote was a in context here:
http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g= ... d=w:287134

Was partially using it to reaction test Bona, as I was having some very slight doubts on, but reinforced he was town

Also, you stated willingness to vote Rivera plenty of times throughout the day. And I dislike this “okay I’ll go along with bona so damo stops tunneling on him” especially when you were also supportive of a damo wagon.

Feels a whole lot like you don’t care at all who dies.

[kgray]

##vote ghug

Good thing you died I guess. Loser.

Kgray better EoD but I'm still annoyed cause she's gonna do this shit tomorrow and I was supposed to die last night as maniac's inno.

As maniac’s inno?

[kgray]

Yeah except I was chanting for Durga, Celaph, and Vecna to go early while your most memorable contributions were defending a guy who has contributed literally zero to this game and calling for an info kill on me that has yet to make sense. All three of your options could apply better to you, to Bob, to donny, and to rdr

I defend my townreads. Bona was town - it was a bad kill.

If you're town, I'll admit it was a bad kill, but I don't get town vibes from you, and your entire town lean in my head has been because you were celaph's counterwagon. Clearly Day 2 is not as clear-cut as I thought, unless someone like Kgray is scum.

If you're town, give us some original thoughts into the game state at some point. Do some hunting. Don't just ctrl+F your name and meme around.

Say what you will about Bona - he had different views on things and wasn't just coasting.

Like the grumpy vibes from Chaqa. Imagine how bad kgray would be if she weren't always on a scumteam with such a pro.

What are you even talking about? Are you and Chaqa scumbuddies?

Also fuck you.

[kgray]

I'd like to vote in the pool of Hellenic Riot / Maniac tomorrow.

Maniac is a bad vote. He is behaving like he does as town and he has been scanned innocent. Omg