M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[ghug]

Maniac's case is Maniac. Chaqa didn't give a reason. Gold didn't give a reason.

If only there was a Bot or regular GM posts telling us who the people on a wagon are that I didn't explicitly rule out.

And Ghug and TFB reasons are utterly bullshit. TFB is voting me because he scumread at end of EOD2 and Ghug is voting me because he is scum trying to get a miskill.

Anyway I won't vote Bona is it will tie. Town had a good shot at winning and I will keep being a wagon unless we flip Ghug and he is scum.

@rdr voters - dors this sound like a scumpost?

Yes? He says the reasons are utterly stupid, uses that as a soapbox to preach scumreads rather than refuting, and then makes a show of telling us he's not going to defend himself.

[ghug]

like i really don't want to choose between them

What part of Jamie joking around all day actually makes him town Jamie? He's a player notorious for hardbussing his whole team in the past. He's also got a well-known meta for being a much more approachable person as scum. And he also utterly ignored me when I first suggested this, rather than actually interact with my implication.

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[ghug]

##vote Jamie

Man I missed this wagon

[ghug]

ghug isn't making a counterwagon because his teammates aren't on the block

ghug was busy drinking and is pretty fucking annoyed at you now

[ghug]

##vote ghug

Good thing you died I guess. Loser.

Kgray better EoD but I'm still annoyed cause she's gonna do this shit tomorrow and I was supposed to die last night as maniac's inno.

[ghug]

rip bona

i'd like to kill ghug tomorrow

See above post smh

[ghug]

Starting tomorrow I should hopefully have a great deal more time to dedicate to re-reads and hypothesis

Ok I'm fine killing gold before he can do this.

[ghug]

Option 1: You're the Godfather and the useful info will be clearing Gold and Maniac.

Option 2: You're the Goon and we can flip Gold and Maniac to find the Godfather

Option 3: You're town and we didn't kill someone who's been actively solving and not just chiming in when their name is mentioned

Yeah except I was chanting for Durga, Celaph, and Vecna to go early while your most memorable contributions were defending a guy who has contributed literally zero to this game and calling for an info kill on me that has yet to make sense. All three of your options could apply better to you, to Bob, to donny, and to rdr

I defend my townreads. Bona was town - it was a bad kill.

If you're town, I'll admit it was a bad kill, but I don't get town vibes from you, and your entire town lean in my head has been because you were celaph's counterwagon. Clearly Day 2 is not as clear-cut as I thought, unless someone like Kgray is scum.

If you're town, give us some original thoughts into the game state at some point. Do some hunting. Don't just ctrl+F your name and meme around.

Say what you will about Bona - he had different views on things and wasn't just coasting.

Like the grumpy vibes from Chaqa. Imagine how bad kgray would be if she weren't always on a scumteam with such a pro.

[Donny Dude]

rip bona but that selfvote was stupid as hr said.
Hr why did you vote for Jamiet over myself when I had a wagon at eod?
I do like chaqas convo with TFB as it shows a thought process that seems a town process although he did very quickly flip on tfb.

[Donny Dude]

If anybody has a defence of goldfinger other than his scan result, I would love to hear it. So far I haven't heard a single other argument for why he shouldn't be voted. If you want to not vote goldfinger, at least have a decent case for why he isn't scum that doesn't rely completely on misusung statistics and game theory.

This is a serious request. If you all want to defend goldfinger, at least defend him properly.

And please shut up about "oh if gold flips scum we have to flip maniac next," because that's actually just false.

I agree on the last part, and feels towny from bob.

[BobMcBob]

I can't find any evidence of Durga buddying goldie, just vaguley refusing to vote him. She barely mentioned him. Doesn't seem to be anything against them being scum together.

[goldfinger0303]

Bob - "I'm gonna look for scum connections between Durga and gold"

Also Bob - "Didn't find any connections, but gold is still scum with Durga"

I swear if I didn't know this was a vanilla setup, I'd have thought there was a jester role or something.

[goldfinger0303]

Ghug are your scared that I finally might have some time to give a damn about this game? And time it with HR's off days too?

[ghug]

Ghug are your scared that I finally might have some time to give a damn about this game? And time it with HR's off days too?

Anyone who claims not to be scared of that is lying.

[Jamiet99uk]

Hello.

RIP Bona. I see from the bot that you voted for yourself. Not helpful but, well, there we go. RIP anyway.

HR trying to flashwagon me as soon as I said I'd gone to bed is nasty.

@Kgray why do you suddenly scumread me?

[Jamiet99uk]

I'm back at work today despite still feeling the effects of Covid so it will be a while before I can post detailed thoughts.

[Jamiet99uk]

I'd like to vote in the pool of Hellenic Riot / Maniac tomorrow.

[damo666]

I'd like to vote in the pool of Hellenic Riot / Maniac tomorrow.

I think as a matter of policy Maniac and gold should be off the table until D8 say.

[damo666]

What can we glean from voting?

Day 1 durga and celaph both voting Bob implies Bob almost certainly not GF

Day 2 similarly due to durga/celaph votes TFB almost certainly not GF

Jamie/Donny/rdr virtually simultaneously voting celaph when TFB 8-6 looks very good especially considering TFB unlikely GF. I consider it enough to lock town these 3.

Ghug's vote also looks ghug but not enough to lock town him.

HR looks bad if TFB is town.

Day 3

Chaqa self vote bizarre.

The people with best credit from durga votes are gold and TFB

Day 4

Chaqa looks good unless HR is GF

Kgr best looking Vecna vote and considering roleblocks I put her lockdown.

Vecna's gold vote implies gold not GF and as gold cannot be goon gold is locktown.

Day 5

A mess.

Conclusions:

GF pool: Maniac HR ghug
Goon pool: Chaqa HR ghug Bob

Possible pairs GF goon in order of likelihood

HR Chaqa
Maniac HR
Maniac ghug
Maniac Bob
Maniac Chaqa
HR ghug
HR Bob
ghug HR
ghug Bob
ghug Chaqa

[damo666]

I'd like to vote in the pool of Hellenic Riot / Maniac tomorrow.

I think as a matter of policy Maniac and gold should be off the table until D8 say.

I retract this. Gold is off the table. Maniac very much on it.