M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[Chaqa]

I'm about to throw all the towncred Chaqa gets for being RB'd out the window.

I don't feel like much of my towncred should be based off of that.

I was a critical celaph voter, called out Durga from Day 1, and made the decision to DK Vecna over HR.

Also, Bona was town. Get rekt

[TheFlyingBoat]

We already had this talk like a few days ago, no?

I determined Vecna's alignment was linked to yours and Vecna was scum

Wait so you think I have been hard bussing the role blocker since D1?

It's one possibility. Clearly the last two scum are well-hidden.

Why would I be hard bussing the RBer and Durga D1, arguably the two greatest tools to my victory if I'm scum?

[kgray]

Hmmm yeah this is about how a town should defend there I think.

Okay. So it isn't you.

It isn't me, probably isn't kgray, ghug, or Jamie.

Gold and Maniac are out.

Bob, Damo, Donny, HR, Rivera.

I feel Bob, HR, and Rivera have to be town.

So damo and Donny are the two I'm left with.

What do you think about those last five (Bob, Damo, Donny, HR, Rivera.)?

Why are you so convinced on ghug? I want you to actually defend him. Jamie too actually.

Why are gold and maniac both out? You kept wanting to flip Maniac, what changed?

Why does Rivera have to be town now, you voted for him plenty yesterday.

Also I just looked back and realized you voted bona yesterday, wtf?

[ghug]

I'm off to eat dinner with the fam. Sticking my vote where it is

Why do people feel the need to announce this shit?

[BobMcBob]

We already had this talk like a few days ago, no?

I determined Vecna's alignment was linked to yours and Vecna was scum

Wait so you think I have been hard bussing the role blocker since D1?

It's one possibility. Clearly the last two scum are well-hidden.

Or perhaps we're just ignoring half the scumteam due to poor statistical arguments.

[kgray]

I'm about to throw all the towncred Chaqa gets for being RB'd out the window.

I don't feel like much of my towncred should be based off of that.

I was a critical celaph voter, called out Durga from Day 1, and made the decision to DK Vecna over HR.

Also, Bona was town. Get rekt

Don't you dare 'get rekt' me, I also townread bona and actually tried to save him yesterday. And I already stated that you calling out Durga felt like you being too certain she was scum that early, and celaph and Vecna were gonna die anyway.

[TheFlyingBoat]

I'm about to throw all the towncred Chaqa gets for being RB'd out the window.

I don't feel like much of my towncred should be based off of that.

I was a critical celaph voter, called out Durga from Day 1, and made the decision to DK Vecna over HR.

Also, Bona was town. Get rekt

You had Durga in your pool 3 in D2 lmao. You did call her out D1 for voting you and vented about how you didn't like she called you stupid, but that's very different from continuously scum reading them. Also interesting was Vecna was in your pool 3 as well.

[BobMcBob]

I'm about to throw all the towncred Chaqa gets for being RB'd out the window.

Almost same. Except everbody else is equally daft about gold/maniac so I can't really hold it against him specifically.

[ghug]

i think durga trying to flashwagon him is a pretty decent reason to think he's town

Do you think she really thought there was a chance of getting him killed there? He'd been inexplicably widely townread at that point.

i don't know

That's enough for on the table. The remaining scum have to have nice looking busses somewhere (see your mean and bad scumread on me).

[BobMcBob]

Hmmm yeah this is about how a town should defend there I think.

Okay. So it isn't you.

It isn't me, probably isn't kgray, ghug, or Jamie.

Gold and Maniac are out.

Bob, Damo, Donny, HR, Rivera.

I feel Bob, HR, and Rivera have to be town.

So damo and Donny are the two I'm left with.

What do you think about those last five (Bob, Damo, Donny, HR, Rivera.)?

Why are you so convinced on ghug? I want you to actually defend him. Jamie too actually.

Why are gold and maniac both out? You kept wanting to flip Maniac, what changed?

Why does Rivera have to be town now, you voted for him plenty yesterday.

Also I just looked back and realized you voted bona yesterday, wtf?

Are you seriously going after Chaqa for putting the innos off limits when you went after me for exactly the opposite? Do you just really, really want to kill ghug?

[kgray]

Hmmm yeah this is about how a town should defend there I think.

Okay. So it isn't you.

It isn't me, probably isn't kgray, ghug, or Jamie.

Gold and Maniac are out.

Bob, Damo, Donny, HR, Rivera.

I feel Bob, HR, and Rivera have to be town.

So damo and Donny are the two I'm left with.

What do you think about those last five (Bob, Damo, Donny, HR, Rivera.)?

Why are you so convinced on ghug? I want you to actually defend him. Jamie too actually.

Why are gold and maniac both out? You kept wanting to flip Maniac, what changed?

Why does Rivera have to be town now, you voted for him plenty yesterday.

Also I just looked back and realized you voted bona yesterday, wtf?

Are you seriously going after Chaqa for putting the innos off limits when you went after me for exactly the opposite? Do you just really, really want to kill ghug?

I don't think we should vote now them but it doesn't mean they're permanently clear like I think he's implying.

And yes.

[Chaqa]

Hmmm yeah this is about how a town should defend there I think.

Okay. So it isn't you.

It isn't me, probably isn't kgray, ghug, or Jamie.

Gold and Maniac are out.

Bob, Damo, Donny, HR, Rivera.

I feel Bob, HR, and Rivera have to be town.

So damo and Donny are the two I'm left with.

What do you think about those last five (Bob, Damo, Donny, HR, Rivera.)?

Why are you so convinced on ghug? I want you to actually defend him. Jamie too actually.

Why are gold and maniac both out? You kept wanting to flip Maniac, what changed?

Why does Rivera have to be town now, you voted for him plenty yesterday.

Also I just looked back and realized you voted bona yesterday, wtf?

I explained why I thought ghug was town.\:

I don’t understand why you think it’s ghug. He’s probably my strongest townread

why?

Idk, there’s concrete reasons like him convincing us to vote celaph or his fake roleblock claim but mostly just my ghugdar says town, and it hasn’t been wrong in years

As for Jamie, I just have general town vibes from him, and he was the deciding vote in killing celaph. If he hadn't moved, celaph may have lived, and I don't feel Jamie is a busser. He doesn't like to bus in my memory. His general demeanor, approach, and logic also feel town to me. My reads are pretty straightforward like this - Bona I though was town for mostly meta reasons.

Gold and Maniac are out because they're inno scans, and we're better off looking elsewhere.

Rivera I voted for out of mostly defeat - I don't like any of the major wagons we've had going.

Bona vote was a in context here:
http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g= ... d=w:287134

Was partially using it to reaction test Bona, as I was having some very slight doubts on, but reinforced he was town

[kgray]

wasn't there this whole conversation about how jamie has bussed his entire team before?

i missed your explanation for you ghug townread but i personally don't think the fake rb claim is very alignment-indicative.

[BobMcBob]

If anybody has a defence of goldfinger other than his scan result, I would love to hear it. So far I haven't heard a single other argument for why he shouldn't be voted. If you want to not vote goldfinger, at least have a decent case for why he isn't scum that doesn't rely completely on misusung statistics and game theory.

This is a serious request. If you all want to defend goldfinger, at least defend him properly.

And please shut up about "oh if gold flips scum we have to flip maniac next," because that's actually just false.

[kgray]

bob i'll reread goldie tomorrow. i've been putting it off, tbh, but i do remember thinking durga was buddying him.

[ghug]

I really dislike when HR casts aspersions on nameless members of a wagon with the intent of discrediting the wagon rather than taking the extra investigative step of telling us what he thinks of the motivations of the specific three people he's talking about.

Maniac's case is Maniac. Chaqa didn't give a reason. Gold didn't give a reason.

If only there was a Bot or regular GM posts telling us who the people on a wagon are that I didn't explicitly rule out.

And Ghug and TFB reasons are utterly bullshit. TFB is voting me because he scumread at end of EOD2 and Ghug is voting me because he is scum trying to get a miskill.

Anyway I won't vote Bona is it will tie. Town had a good shot at winning and I will keep being a wagon unless we flip Ghug and he is scum.

I mean if that were my reason it would be pretty sus

[ghug]

Ghug, why aren't you joining me on Jamie?

Cause I knew I wouldn't be around for EoD and nobody else expressed interest while I was there.

[ghug]

And what does that make you think of the wagon? What does it make you think of the three other people on the wagon? Scum? Lazy town? Who falls into which camp?

oh my god it's a meme at this point

Jesus Christ I posted like an hour and a half ago, it's not like I was gone for 12 hours and this was my first post. And noteI said I was taking time off to watch the Niners play the Rams. Given they go to the Super Bowl if they win, pardon me for taking it more seriously than this game. It's not a meme it's just dumb.

Taking the niners seriously is pretty dumb

[TheFlyingBoat]

oh my god it's a meme at this point

Jesus Christ I posted like an hour and a half ago, it's not like I was gone for 12 hours and this was my first post. And noteI said I was taking time off to watch the Niners play the Rams. Given they go to the Super Bowl if they win, pardon me for taking it more seriously than this game. It's not a meme it's just dumb.

Taking the niners seriously is pretty dumb

@kgray I think I'm ready to vote ghug

[ghug]

like i really don't want to choose between them

make a new wagon

i really don't know what to do, i think ghug is the best chance

I townread you but you're being so uncharacteristically stupid.