M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[Jamiet99uk]

@HR:

Well (1) stems from my interpretation of Vecna's votes, which you disagree with, but that's where I'm coming from.

As for (3) to say something has been the subject of focus is not the same as saying anyone has focussed "their entire attention" on that thing. The interaction between yourself and Goldfinger has been a topic that has repeatedly come up. There was that whole fight you had, and Damo has talked about how he thinks you and Gold definitely have opposite alignments, whereas during D3 Ghug accused you of bussing Goldfinger.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Hellenic Riot:

Why, of all people, is Donny Dude your top scumread right now?

[Hellenic Riot]

@Hellenic Riot:

Why, of all people, is Donny Dude your top scumread right now?

Gold is my top scumread, but I'm not voting for an inno because, contrary to popular opinion, I am capable of recognising I may be wrong, and killing potential clears is stupid.

Donny has coasted on an early game townread for a very long time now, and it's about time he got some pressure and changed that.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Maniac: Do you think that it is likely that Goldfinger is the God Father?

@Goldfinger: D'you think it's likely that Maniac's the Godfather?

Please nobody else answer for them. I want indiviudal replies from Maniac and Gold, not anyone else answering on their behalf.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Hellenic Riot:

Why, of all people, is Donny Dude your top scumread right now?

Gold is my top scumread, but I'm not voting for an inno because, contrary to popular opinion, I am capable of recognising I may be wrong, and killing potential clears is stupid.

Donny has coasted on an early game townread for a very long time now, and it's about time he got some pressure and changed that.

Fair comment.

Dargorygel has also barely posted, I wonder if Maniac still scumreads him.

[Chaqa]

##Vote damo

[Bonatogether]

##vote gold

[Chaqa]

##vote gold

Bona no

Maniac and gold not for awhile

[ghug]

##vote gold

Bona no

Maniac and gold not for awhile

Bad Bona! Down, boy!

[TheFlyingBoat]

At EoN2:

i hope to see y'all on the back side of the flip. if not, keep calm, respect the dead, and carry on.

At EoN3:

good luck friends, keep the hunting up, and respect the sead.

And just now at EoN4:

keep calm, carry on, Respect the dead. i'll miss you guys.

But also there was this post during D2:

I get to eat my cake and keep it.

Can you do me a solid and slip your last teammate?

I wish I could take credit for gamesolving but Jamie has put in work.

I don't want to flash someone who said he won't be here for EOD but hmu tomorrow

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Damo and Chaqa should start getting more pressure soon as they’re all playing extraordinarily lazy so far. HR is usually more obnoxious in his pushes as town so I’m a little confused that I didn’t actively hate him while he was pushing me this time. That unironically makes me think he might be scum. Especially now that he's link RDR to me, with an excuse to townread him after I flip.

...

RESPECT. THE. DEAD.

Who here is good at riddles?

So question 1, I guess. Do we assume sead was just a typo for dead? I am inclined to think so since the R in read was capitalized. My primary instinct points me to that underlined R indicating RDR or Hellenic Riot. Damo, Chaqa, and HR all being bolded N1 is weird. RDR is the only other mentioned in the post that is unbolded. There can't be three scum, so maybe? This was also early so I doubt he has a scum read on any of them, besides maybe one? I don't know. Will need to spend some time sober thinking about this

[Chaqa]

It's still hard for me to see ghug, Jamie, rivera, or Donny as scum given how influential they were in the celaph kill.

Unless TFB is specifically the godfather, which I think could be more likely given Vecna's flip, none of them have much motivation to do what they did.

Oh god, am I circling back to we should info flip TFB...

[Maniac]

Ok so let's think.

Goldfinger and Maniac both scanned "innocent" for DemonRHK, while Durga of course scanned "guilty". That's what we know from the scans (thanks, DemonRHK, good job).

Either Goldfinger or Maniac could in fact be the Godfather. DemonRHK thought that Maniac probably was.

They were both already in the scum pool.

I think it's reasonable to wagon them because if one of them is the Godfather, then the other one is towncleared.

The is poor strategy. I’m sure someone could do the math but there is more chance we’re both innocent, which means we daykill one town and mafia them nightkill the other and we toss away all the good work the Demon did.

Much better to go scum hunting. If we get lucky and hit GF then we have two confirmed townies which scum then have to kill. Don’t do there job for them.

[Maniac]

@Maniac: Do you think that it is likely that Goldfinger is the God Father?

@Goldfinger: D'you think it's likely that Maniac's the Godfather?

Please nobody else answer for them. I want indiviudal replies from Maniac and Gold, not anyone else answering on their behalf.

From my perspective goldfinger is as likely to be GF as anyone else.

That’s not really the point though. From a town perspective obviously we can’t both be scum which means we are very bad kills. Town optimum strategy is to daykill two other people today and tomorrow. There are no 13 players left. So from any non-scanned town perspective everyone else has a 2/12 (1/6) chance of being scum apart from me and goldie who have a 1/12 chance of being scum.

If we random hit Goon today then innocent scans are useless.

If we ranDom hit GF then goldie and I are useful and next two nightkills.

If we random hit town then scum still have to NK one of us because they can’t afford innocent scans to remain if we hit GF the following day.

Now obviously mafia isn’t about randomly killing people, it’s about educated guessing. If town genuinely think goldie or I are certain GF then off course we should die tonight.

[Maniac]

*today

[kgray]

@boatman, here's more puzzle hunt for you. figure out demon's thing pls

ooh fun puzzles :)

Don’t worry about it, I already solved it

[TheFlyingBoat]

Maniac had an odd claim, but that really only matters if he wakes up. A look will need to be taken at the reactions to the claim if he does, vecna really tried to leverage it to his advantage. Not sure if it will amount to anything, but meh. I think the pool should be sufficiently small enough to hunt the last goon from here. A focus needs to be made on some of the early day one interactions i think. Can't see the links being more obvious than prior to being able to talk things over.

I think the last goon resides in bona, rdr, ghug, damo. Not seeing kgray sheeping me with a conserted defense attempt being mounted. Not seeing jamie as anything but locktown after the fox stiff. Overall, gold, kgray, and jamie are the towncore.

Like i had said before, my scumhunting is ass. I am usually good for one. Kgray and jamie get most of the credit for vecna. Even though i didn't read most of what vecna said yesterday at all, i kept the tunnel in hard. Little did i know i was on the right track lol. Ya gotta love dumb luck.

Gonna hope to see you all on the other side. Focus up, read carefully, look for clues.

keep calm, carry on, Respect the dead. i'll miss you guys.

Ok, I think I spent way too fucking long overthinking this shit when it really is probably pretty simple. He says the last goon resides in the pool bolded above (bona, rdr, ghug, damo). He underlined capitalized the r for a reason. r -> rdr. QED, I think Demon had a guilty scan on rdr and he is the last mafia goon. ##vote rdr

[TheFlyingBoat]

It's the first letters of his sentences in his EON posts.

N2: DURGA IS GUILTY

N3: GOLD SCAN BLUE

N4: MANIAC INNO LIKELY GF

Oh I am dumb you're way smarter than me lmao

[TheFlyingBoat]

hmm this message from k gary is very cryptic

Well, I've just worked out that if you put all of the capital letters in Kgray's post together, it spells:

"Get Tubed Bona"

strange

i wonder what it means

Something Nefarious Implied; Probably Explained, Duh!

##Vote Maniac

[TheFlyingBoat]

@Maniac: Do you think that it is likely that Goldfinger is the God Father?

@Goldfinger: D'you think it's likely that Maniac's the Godfather?

Please nobody else answer for them. I want indiviudal replies from Maniac and Gold, not anyone else answering on their behalf.

From my perspective goldfinger is as likely to be GF as anyone else.

That’s not really the point though. From a town perspective obviously we can’t both be scum which means we are very bad kills. Town optimum strategy is to daykill two other people today and tomorrow. There are no 13 players left. So from any non-scanned town perspective everyone else has a 2/12 (1/6) chance of being scum apart from me and goldie who have a 1/12 chance of being scum.

If we random hit Goon today then innocent scans are useless.

If we ranDom hit GF then goldie and I are useful and next two nightkills.

If we random hit town then scum still have to NK one of us because they can’t afford innocent scans to remain if we hit GF the following day.

Now obviously mafia isn’t about randomly killing people, it’s about educated guessing. If town genuinely think goldie or I are certain GF then off course we should die tonight.

Hmmm this actually makes sense, but maybe that's because I am drunk. ##vote rdr I still like the vote from my EoD2 reads and those haven't failed me yet and rdr has also survived in the pool post-updates and refinements so, yeah.

I'll re-evaluate everything again tomorrow some time when I can think straight

[ghug]

Well, I've just worked out that if you put all of the capital letters in Kgray's post together, it spells:

"Get Tubed Bona"

strange

i wonder what it means

Something Nefarious Implied; Probably Explained, Duh!

##Vote Maniac

Beyond the badness of voting either, Maniac is just so much more stupid than gold that I can't understand how your could particle come to it.