M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[Chaqa]

Will there ever be a case on Maniac? Like literally, ever? Or should I stop bothering asking for one?

Hard to make a case when he doesn't post.

[kgray]

Will there ever be a case on Maniac? Like literally, ever? Or should I stop bothering asking for one?

Hard to make a case when he doesn't post.

Didn't think you were the kill-the-lurker type.

[ghug]

Will there ever be a case on Maniac? Like literally, ever? Or should I stop bothering asking for one?

Seems unlikely at this point.

[Chaqa]

Durga actually shaded tfb D1 and not in as hedgy of a way as she did with celaph.

Yeah yeah Durga busses now but not by going off one teammate to make a different teammate a contending wagon 8 hrs before EOD. And then with 20 minutes left in the day she's on board for a tfb flashwagon, which, again, I think is in response to Rivera being the next most likely upcoming flashwagon/flum counterwagon. And then she was up for bob instead of Rivera too.

Plus if Rivera is town why didn't Durga NK him N1?

Anyway I don't think it's boat. And if you think Jamie is town you have to think boatman is town.

The thing is, TFB might be town, but flipping him is like a litmus test of our assumptions of the entire game.

If he flips roleblocker or godfather, that has major implications on our PoE.

Given we have minimum of five flips left, I do still think it would be worth it to use one on him.

Vecna is a decent proxy for TFB, but TFB hasn't really like done anything besides pop in when he's mentioned. I don't know his play well enough to say if that's normal or not.

Why do we need a litmus test to decide scum are probably looking for town counterwagons to their teammates instead of putting up a different scumbo for the kill? Especially if your whole thing is that boatman might be a scum PR. Why does Durga bus him and celaph both on D1?

This is so frustrating, I can't agree with anything you're saying.

It's only really bussing if the player is at risk of dying. Look at the vote counts on Day 1 - neither TFB or celaph was ever at real risk of dying in the last ~2 hours of the phase, which is the only time that matters.

Durga's vote was on celaph for all of like an hour. She then moved to TFB for six hours, sure, but he was never a leading wagon by more than a one or two vote margin, and Donny and then Flum quickly overtook the lead and ran away with it.

Durga is savvy enough to vote for teammates when it doesn't matter. You're acting as if she was pushing hard to eliminate both of them when they were on the block - from my perspective, neither celaph nor TFB was ever in any real danger on Day 1.

[Chaqa]

Will there ever be a case on Maniac? Like literally, ever? Or should I stop bothering asking for one?

Hard to make a case when he doesn't post.

Didn't think you were the kill-the-lurker type.

I am when I'm not lurking

[kgray]

Okay Chaqa then why do you townread Jamie so much?

[Chaqa]

Okay Chaqa then why do you townread Jamie so much?

He was the deciding vote on celaph on Day 2

[Chaqa]

The best argument for TFB being town is the one ghug gave on Day 2 that convinced me to switch to celaph in the first place - scum!TFB would have claimed a PR on the block.

Hence why I'm not dead-set on him needing to die, but still open to it to make sure we aren't getting bamboozled.

[Hellenic Riot]

The best argument for TFB being town is the one ghug gave on Day 2 that convinced me to switch to celaph in the first place - scum!TFB would have claimed a PR on the block.

Hence why I'm not dead-set on him needing to die, but still open to it to make sure we aren't getting bamboozled.

This argument was already pointed out to be heavily invalidated when the other wagon was also scum, though.

[kgray]

Okay Chaqa then why do you townread Jamie so much?

He was the deciding vote on celaph on Day 2

Yeah. And literally the only other interactions he's had with celaph were defending him D1.

[kgray]

Okay but Chaqa are ignoring the way flipped scum interacted with boatman and tried to put him on the block. You are saying they would assume he'd never be the kill and it's fine to vote for him even though there are 20 minutes to go. And that Durga would be okay with making boatman the counterwagon to her other scumbuddy. That doesn't happen.

[ghug]

The best argument for TFB being town is the one ghug gave on Day 2 that convinced me to switch to celaph in the first place - scum!TFB would have claimed a PR on the block.

Hence why I'm not dead-set on him needing to die, but still open to it to make sure we aren't getting bamboozled.

Why do people keep bringing this up? Scum TFB doesn't claim a PR when the votes will just shift to his teammate.

[Hellenic Riot]

Jamie's vote on celaph doesn't look all that great if you view it from an expectation that I would switch back to celaph from TFB and therefore celaph essentially already led, and the fact that he voted Bob to three way tie it just a couple minutes before.

But I still don't see Durga trying to flashwagon Jamie when he's her teammate; with the sole exception of her being angry he hardbussed Foxcastle and potentially chased him out of the game.

[Hellenic Riot]

Okay but Chaqa are ignoring the way flipped scum interacted with boatman and tried to put him on the block. You are saying they would assume he'd never be the kill and it's fine to vote for him even though there are 20 minutes to go. And that Durga would be okay with making boatman the counterwagon to her other scumbuddy. That doesn't happen.

Why are you defending TFB because Durga voted him whilst simultaneously casting aspersions at Jamie who Durga clearly preferred to vote in the exact same EoD?

[kgray]

Jamie's vote on celaph doesn't look all that great if you view it from an expectation that I would switch back to celaph from TFB and therefore celaph essentially already led, and the fact that he voted Bob to three way tie it just a couple minutes before.

But I still don't see Durga trying to flashwagon Jamie when he's her teammate; with the sole exception of her being angry he hardbussed Foxcastle and potentially chased him out of the game.

Durga tried to flashwagon boatman, who you are now voting for.

[kgray]

Okay but Chaqa are ignoring the way flipped scum interacted with boatman and tried to put him on the block. You are saying they would assume he'd never be the kill and it's fine to vote for him even though there are 20 minutes to go. And that Durga would be okay with making boatman the counterwagon to her other scumbuddy. That doesn't happen.

Why are you defending TFB because Durga voted him whilst simultaneously casting aspersions at Jamie who Durga clearly preferred to vote in the exact same EoD?

I'm not casting aspersions at Jamie, I'm saying Durga trying to flashwagon him is a better reason to townread him than his celaph vote. She also did that to boatman.

It's like you guys just pick and choose what's scummy to you depending on who did it.

[Chaqa]

The best argument for TFB being town is the one ghug gave on Day 2 that convinced me to switch to celaph in the first place - scum!TFB would have claimed a PR on the block.

Hence why I'm not dead-set on him needing to die, but still open to it to make sure we aren't getting bamboozled.

Why do people keep bringing this up? Scum TFB doesn't claim a PR when the votes will just shift to his teammate.

Man you’re the one who had the idea

[Hellenic Riot]

Jamie's vote on celaph doesn't look all that great if you view it from an expectation that I would switch back to celaph from TFB and therefore celaph essentially already led, and the fact that he voted Bob to three way tie it just a couple minutes before.

But I still don't see Durga trying to flashwagon Jamie when he's her teammate; with the sole exception of her being angry he hardbussed Foxcastle and potentially chased him out of the game.

Durga tried to flashwagon boatman, who you are now voting for.

If you view D1 as a legitimate attempt; sure. I think it was very obvious the TFB wagon was going nowhere by the time she got back on him there.

[Chaqa]

Okay but Chaqa are ignoring the way flipped scum interacted with boatman and tried to put him on the block. You are saying they would assume he'd never be the kill and it's fine to vote for him even though there are 20 minutes to go. And that Durga would be okay with making boatman the counterwagon to her other scumbuddy. That doesn't happen.

Why are you defending TFB because Durga voted him whilst simultaneously casting aspersions at Jamie who Durga clearly preferred to vote in the exact same EoD?

I'm not casting aspersions at Jamie, I'm saying Durga trying to flashwagon him is a better reason to townread him than his celaph vote. She also did that to boatman.

It's like you guys just pick and choose what's scummy to you depending on who did it.

That’s actually true, because people play differently.

Something that scumGhug might do could be the same thing townJamie would do

[Chaqa]

Anyway let’s vote maniac out