M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[BobMcBob]

There are 2 players who were on neither celaph nor durga, namely

BONA and MANIAC

Fits in nicely with my Bona Gold Maniac theory.

Seems too simple

Maybe so but both being town being off both scum wagons seems improbable to me so I would say at least 1 is scum and if it is only one my money would be on Bona.

I'd warrant this is the more likely option given that Maniac has spent two days lazily parked on me and one trying to get Chaqa pets.

[BobMcBob]

Has Bob addressed the thing last night where he didn't know how many scum were in the game?

He's only posted once today I notice.

I'm sorry my humour is too dry even for you brits.

[Vecna]

no response to my response kgray?

[damo666]

Done any ISOs yet @Vecna?

We await startling analysis.

[Chaqa]

I’m fine giving Vecna one more day as he asked.

If he doesn’t have something by then we can kill him

[Chaqa]

@HR: you gonna vote?

@Bona: can you make your vote count?

[damo666]

I’m fine giving Vecna one more day as he asked.

If he doesn’t have something by then we can kill him

I'm OK with that PROVIDED THAT

If HR flips scum or Gold flips town we kill Vecna tomorrow OK?

If HR flips town we kill Gold tomorrow.

If Gold flips scum we kill Maniac tomorrow.

In fact

if HR scum then Vecna and if scum then Bona
if Gold town then Vecna and if scum then HR and if scum then Bona
if HR town then Gold and if scum then Maniac and if scum Bona
if Gold scum then Maniac and if scum then Bona

This is our path to victory. I think. Anyway, I think it's a good plan.

If we follow this plan and D5 is a mk (which I very much doubt) a rethink would be required.

[damo666]

It looks like we need to be very wary of ties. I am unlikely to be on at EOD, I hope there will be sufficient towncore to prevent a tie.

[Chaqa]

It looks like we need to be very wary of ties. I am unlikely to be on at EOD, I hope there will be sufficient towncore to prevent a tie.

As long as you stay on HR or goldfinger it should work out.

I don’t know if I’ll be on at EoD. My gf’s car died and we’re going to look at cars after work. RIP wallets.

[Chaqa]

Kgray, can you explain this Rivera thing you're on?

You barely mentioned him as a scum possibility til a very abrupt N3 post, and now you seem fixated on him.

[BobMcBob]

Okay I'm realising now this is going to be utter rubbish.
Jamie - heavy push for flum D1, late lander on celaph D2 after tying on me. Vote on celaph looks pretty good. D1 is not necessarily scummy.

Bona - comically tunnelling on TFB to the point of ridiculousness even for bona, reasonably scummy.

Maniac - didn't do anything except tunnel me D1 and D2, had a weak case for a HR vote D3. Seems to not be on at EoDs. Nothing scummy about this vote pattern.

Goldie - voted for lurker HR early D1, voted me D2 for scumreading him or something. Notably tried to buddy ghug with a celaph vote and then moved back to me. Nothing to commend this voting.

Demon - sat on flum most of D1 before joining the TFB flash last second as an alternative, citing the wall post. Also the first vote in the final cascade onto celaph D2. Extremely good looking votes.

Damo - also an EoD absence, so less to go on. Flum voter D1 (ending) which is eh. Voted me D2 which was another big wagon for a while. Overall nothing really positive or negative here.

Rdr - late mover to flum D1, sure. Final vote on celaph D2, and from his POV (apparently) the deciding vote. Pretty good looking votes.

HR - voted flum a long way from EoD and sat there while shading the wagon apparently. D2 made a last minute jump off celaph to TFB supposedly to save me. To be fair it was before the celaph votes came raining in so it probably wasn't a desperate attempt as scum to save a scumbuddy, and the timing for his change does match his logic somewhat. Perhaps worth going back and checking how much warning there was that celaph could take off like he did, but I don't think his vote is quite as bad as a lot of people are saying.

TFB looks very good just for having durga and celaph on his wagon D2.

Vecna - first vote on celaph D2 but not around for EoD so can't be given too much credit for it.

Chaqa, kgray and ghug all voted. Kgray has the worst votes of the three, but they're all pretty well off my scumdar for now and none of their votes are too bad.

I don't even know what conclusions I'm supposed to draw from this. I ignored D3 for obvious reasons. On top of kgray/ghug/chaqa, I doubt tfb or demon or jamie are scum. Rdr looks pretty good too. Vecna, damo and Maniac all suffer from EoD sickness and therefore have very little for or against them. HR almost looks really bad. Goldie is very fine. Bona is... something else.

I expect scum lies in those last six, although I'm really not saying anything new here, am I? Except now I've done it myself and damo's not twisting it on me! Good night folks.

[BobMcBob]

I’m fine giving Vecna one more day as he asked.

If he doesn’t have something by then we can kill him

I'm OK with that PROVIDED THAT

If HR flips scum or Gold flips town we kill Vecna tomorrow OK?

If HR flips town we kill Gold tomorrow.

If Gold flips scum we kill Maniac tomorrow.

In fact

if HR scum then Vecna and if scum then Bona
if Gold town then Vecna and if scum then HR and if scum then Bona
if HR town then Gold and if scum then Maniac and if scum Bona
if Gold scum then Maniac and if scum then Bona

This is our path to victory. I think. Anyway, I think it's a good plan.

If we follow this plan and D5 is a mk (which I very much doubt) a rethink would be required.

I think this is silly and also you made some typos that make it unusable. When can we flip damo?

[Chaqa]

Updated Town to Scum:

Chaqa
TheFlyingBoat
ghug
Jamiet99uk
kgray
DemonRHK
Donny Dude
BobMcBob
Bonatogether
rdrivera2005
------------------ <- anyone below this is someone I would consider voting for
Maniac
Vecna
damo666
goldfinger0303
Hellenic Riot

This is where I'm at right now. Subject to change following future information.

[Jamiet99uk]

Hellenic Riot has not voted.

[Chaqa]

Hellenic Riot has not voted.

With Durga as a single point of reference, this means HR is 100% guaranteed scum.

Jamie, let's give Vecna one more day and get HR today.

[kgray]

Vecna can you look at eod1 and tell me if you think rivera and HR are scumbuddies? Thanks.

I can sort of see why you'd think that based on the many interactions that they had (if memory serves they dont normally interact this much, but my meta hasnt been too sharp this game apparently).

However, that last post HR makes with 1 minute to go about flum seems like a pretty genuine observation that feels very unlikely to come from scum.

The few things ive seen from Rdrivera also have felt pretty inline with his townplay?

I just remember feeling like HR was trying to encourage me to vote Flum based on my scumread of Rivera, and continually pushed a Rivera/Flum scumteam connection, but he never seemed willing to vote Rivera himself. And then there was this comment which only further shades Flum and defends Rivera:

I think rdrivera repeatedly stating he thinks Flum is weird but also finding all the excuses of a cheap perfume to avoid voting him is a much stranger interaction that could spell potential teammates.

alternatively, he's aware it's going to be extremely obvious in hindsight I was town if I flip and doesn't want to be on my wagon despite hyping it up.

Ah yes, if there's one thing webDip is known it's for allowing people to wishy-washily give scumreads and then avoid landing on them and skate away scot-free in future for it. This take implies rdrivera is hilariously terrible at being scum.

[kgray]

no response to my response kgray?

I needed to go back and reread because you didn't mention the thing I was thinking of and I'd forgotten about the interactions HR/Rivera had that you brought up. If anything all the pressure HR was putting on Rivera without being willing to move off of Flum seem even more weird to me.

And I disagree about HR's last post being likely to come from town. Lamp and I both wanted Flum to post his reads earlier, and I think it and the follow-up convo Flum had with Lamp made Flum seem likely town. HR doubling down on it just seems like he was trying to justify a scumread rather than actually determine Flum's alignment.

[kgray]

I’m fine giving Vecna one more day as he asked.

If he doesn’t have something by then we can kill him

I'm OK with that PROVIDED THAT

If HR flips scum or Gold flips town we kill Vecna tomorrow OK?

If HR flips town we kill Gold tomorrow.

If Gold flips scum we kill Maniac tomorrow.

In fact

if HR scum then Vecna and if scum then Bona
if Gold town then Vecna and if scum then HR and if scum then Bona
if HR town then Gold and if scum then Maniac and if scum Bona
if Gold scum then Maniac and if scum then Bona

This is our path to victory. I think. Anyway, I think it's a good plan.

If we follow this plan and D5 is a mk (which I very much doubt) a rethink would be required.

Is this just POE or do you have reasons for the connections you're giving?

[kgray]

Kgray, can you explain this Rivera thing you're on?

You barely mentioned him as a scum possibility til a very abrupt N3 post, and now you seem fixated on him.

Barely mentioned? I made a whole case on him N1 that I backed off of, and since D1 Rivera and HR have been linked to me. The POE is getting smaller and it seems more and more possible that this is what's happening.

I'm not fixated on him in this game, I'm just annoyed with him for OOG reasons.

[damo666]

I'm not sure whether I'll be back on today so I think this is safest (least likley to end in a tie) ##vote HR ##end