M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[BobMcBob]

I might do some VCA later today, along with the analysis on rdr I wanted to do. There's a lot more to look at today, but I doubt I'll be posting anything meaningful any time soon.

[Chaqa]

I think major town points to everyone on the celaph wagon except TFB and Vecna

[bozotheclown]

why do you doubt boatman is mafia?

It just seems like TFB must have been voted by mafia to try to save celaph.

maybe... but bona's push really feels like his normal town!bona pushes and i'm not considering scum!lamp. durga is possible and hr could be, but it'd be weird for him to sit on celaph all day and wait for me to yell at him to move off to actually move off. i guess he'd do that though.

bob looks worse i think, because of the way he voted/pressured celaph early but then backed off when celaph started becoming more widely scumread

HR moving while celaph was still a possible DK looks suspicious, and your move does not look that great either. I have to look at the implications of celaph and Bob both being mafia.

[bozotheclown]

maybe... but bona's push really feels like his normal town!bona pushes and i'm not considering scum!lamp. durga is possible and hr could be, but it'd be weird for him to sit on celaph all day and wait for me to yell at him to move off to actually move off. i guess he'd do that though.

bob looks worse i think, because of the way he voted/pressured celaph early but then backed off when celaph started becoming more widely scumread

The idea that I'd bus for 99.9% of a day and then move off right before I got any credit for it deeply amuses me

It's so ludicrous, no one would expect it, therefore you must have done it!

I do not think it is so unexpected.

[bozotheclown]

How do you think that tallies with how long the TFB wagon took to overtake celaph and start consolidating?

I am not sure I understand the question, but there were other available counter wagons until EOD.

Yes. My question is why you think the didn't the scum consolidate on them

There were 5 mafia, if Bob and Vecna are town there were likely scum on all the counter wagons leading up to EOD.

[Bonatogether]

i'm angry

gonna go blow off steam

[bozotheclown]

Why didn't you change your vote back to celaph before EOD?

Because jumping between the two main wagons is very liable to cause a tie and I'm not that much of an idiot.

I think you had to move back without increasing the risk of a tie, and I would expect you would be motivated to see celaph DKed.

Sorry, I meant to say had time to move back.

[TheFlyingBoat]

i'm angry

gonna go blow off steam

same tbh

[Jamiet99uk]

i'm angry

gonna go blow off steam

We just killed scum, why do you have to be mad?

[BusinessLamp]

i'm angry

gonna go blow off steam

We just killed scum, why do you have to be mad?

lol right I’m confused but I’m like… maybe forum mafia is fun after all

[Chaqa]

I think Bob is town and scum concentration on his D1/D2 wagon is high

[bozotheclown]

I could see ghug and/or Chaqa hard bussing celaph there, that is how Chaqa won M62.

[Chaqa]

Durga is probably scum

[Chaqa]

I could see ghug and/or Chaqa hard bussing celaph there, that is how Chaqa won M62.

That's fair, but I don't actually like to bus people when it isn't necessary (see the 1v11 game where I was hesitant to bus Damo). I don't think ghug does either. We had little reason (as scum) to save TFB and throw celaph out.

My roleblock and ghug's gambit should also be somewhat exonerating, but if you think we're potentially both scum I guess that makes sense.

[TheFlyingBoat]

i'm angry

gonna go blow off steam

We just killed scum, why do you have to be mad?

I think bona is scum, but I think he is more mad with our argument than the state of the game. I found our argument enraging, at least.

[Chaqa]

I'm most sure of HR and Maniac being scum atm, maybe Durga.

[bozotheclown]

I could see ghug and/or Chaqa hard bussing celaph there, that is how Chaqa won M62.

That's fair, but I don't actually like to bus people when it isn't necessary (see the 1v11 game where I was hesitant to bus Damo). I don't think ghug does either. We had little reason (as scum) to save TFB and throw celaph out.

My roleblock and ghug's gambit should also be somewhat exonerating, but if you think we're potentially both scum I guess that makes sense.

In M60, ghug, Durga, and I all bussed summit D1, it could be a situation like that where all 4 remaining mafia ended on celaph. I did not have a strong read of celaph, but the way he was playing I could see the mafia assume his DK was inevitable and decide to bus him.

[Chaqa]

I could see ghug and/or Chaqa hard bussing celaph there, that is how Chaqa won M62.

That's fair, but I don't actually like to bus people when it isn't necessary (see the 1v11 game where I was hesitant to bus Damo). I don't think ghug does either. We had little reason (as scum) to save TFB and throw celaph out.

My roleblock and ghug's gambit should also be somewhat exonerating, but if you think we're potentially both scum I guess that makes sense.

In M60, ghug, Durga, and I all bussed summit D1, it could be a situation like that where all 4 remaining mafia ended on celaph. I did not have a strong read of celaph, but the way he was playing I could see the mafia assume his DK was inevitable and decide to bus him.

Several of us pointed out his scum play early in the game (I remember asking kgray if she also saw his scummy play) and I don't see a reason to do that as scum there. I'm more of a teammate defender early on. In fact, the game I won with celaph, Macca, and kgray (and someone else I think), kgray and I put a LOT of effort into protecting celaph and Macca to keep them for later on.

It seems unlikely the two of us would flip and do the opposite to celaph here.

[goldfinger0303]

Wait, Chaqa how does wagonomics show HR is most likely scum?

Just going off my read of EOD, I'm feeling pretty bad about bona and Durga

[bozotheclown]

##vote Celaph

Not a big fan of RHK, Ghug, and I guess not damo after all either (although I doubt he's scum with RHK). Kgray, Bozo and Durga were pretty unmemorable as well in the few bits and pieces ive seen.

Im pretty sure I have a fluffy pillow-cloud of townreads somewhere stored in my brain.

Im also wondering if I should be suspicious about the Chaqa RB thing, but even though he loves stupid shenanigans, I think he knows too well not too put himself in the limelight with those, because we've come to expect them off of him. It indeed smells a little like someone tried to frame him or they have some weird reason to think he might be a PR.

If Chaqa was scum he wouldnt allow himself to be roleblocked, but he'd volunteer someone else for it. File under dangerous deductions.

I still think Vecna could be mafia despite being "right" about celaph.