MAFIA XXXVIII: INFINITY WAR

[Foxcastle]

Between Snowy and Darg, Darg feels sketchier to me.

##VOTE DARG

[rdrivera2005]

And ##vote Dargo seems the best option from the current wagons.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Rdrivera, Foxcastle - you both townread Snowy?

[Foxcastle]

No, Jamiet, I also think Snowy could be scum, but I think Darg is more likely and his little vanishing act fits his scum profile.

[Foxcastle]

(Is the forum lagging slightly for anyone else? It's minor, nowhere near as bad as the last game when it was overloaded, but it seems slow.)

[Squigs44]

Well that was a surprise. Not sure why the vig shot so early when we had such little info. Since I need to switch up my vote, I'm going to ##vote bo

At least until I reread darg to get a handle on him

[bozotheclown]

Of snowy, Jamie, and dargorygel, I also think dargorygel is most likely to be scum.

##VOTE dargorygel

[y2kjbk]

##UNVOTE

Jamiet, I approve of your questioning here right now, I don't want to lynch you anymore.

[Squigs44]

@all - what's the case against darg?

[y2kjbk]

I really disapprove of the darg vote, I think he's town, what's the rationale here?

[y2kjbk]

##VOTE bo_sox48, that's the right play here. He went AFK and mafia need to follow his vote on darg to ensure their influence right now.

[RagingIke297]

Official Vote Count 1.3

dargorygel(6) flash2015, Bo_Sox48, ghug, Foxcastle, rdrivera2005, Bozo
snowy801(4) Vecna, Jamiet99uk, BismarckAlive, worcej
Bo (4) Snowy, Yavu, Squigs44, y2kjbk
Jamiet99uk(3) ND, brainbomb
Vecna(2) ChippeRock*, Damo666
Ezio(1) xorxes
Foxcastle(1) DoubtingThomas
flash2015(1) dargorygel

End Votes: ChippeRock

Have not voted:
Hellenic Riot

Currently Dargorygel is set to be lynched

You have .5 hours left currently until EOD 1

[yavuzovic]

I think dargo will flip town, I don't believe he is bad, if you're only looking for some lurk, there are a lot of people deserves a lynch. I'll keep my vote

[ND]

I may not be here for EOD b/c driving, but I'll try to check back in before phase ends.

[y2kjbk]

I feel like yavuz is getting bussed.

Who is bussing Yavuz? Why do you think this?

Thanks for asking. I’ll take this as a reminder to ##VOTE yavuz.

Initially, I was thinking that DT and Foxcastle might have been bussing him but I don't think that entirely anymore. I’m still on board with a Fox-yavuz team, though. You pointed out that DT's play has been "out in the open" so I reread him myself and I agree with you. Fox, though, rubbed me the wrong way with this:

Yavuz seems off. He's usually more willing to engage, usually more willing to read up, and unusually willing to vote without stating much of a reason (his reasons are usually gut reactions, but they are strongly held).

At first glace, I agreed with him. I thought it was a good point. I noticed that he made the point and disappeared, which is important. Then, I reread yavuz. His vote on you, Squiggles, was classic yavuz. He took something you said and ignored all of the possibilities except for one that he wanted to go with, which is that you are the serial killer and you faked a slip so that nobody would catch you. What isn’t classic yavuz is that he is blatantly going against his own views by keeping his vote on you instead of throwing it all over like he often does, and by keeping his vote on you and trying to catch the SK, he is actively avoiding scumhunting despite reminding us on a couple of occasions that it's more important to catch the mafia team than the SK.

On page 34, yavuz reinforced my stance with this gem:

I wonder what brain meant with asking why I'm voting for SK.
I said we should use all our power to find the SK, I didn't say we should ignore SK.
I just prefer lynching a scum to lynching the SK. Anyway I prefer both to lynching a town

a) yavuz said you, Squiggles, are the SK.
b) if yavuz prefers lynching scum to lynching the SK, why is he voting for the guy who he thinks slipped SK instead of someone else? Remember that he reinforced his vote on you on page 32, switching back from voting for Fox earlier on page 32 for… reasons.
c) if yavuz thinks flash slipped SK as well, as he said on page 33, why is his vote still on you for slipping SK? Why is he saying that we should focus on the mafia team putting all of his effort into asking the GMs about SK mechanics and voting for people he thinks slipped SK?

I think three things are happening: first of all, yavuz voted for Fox on page 32 for basically nothing, which should have signified that he was leaving the “case” on you, Squigs, behind. Instead, he jumped back off of Fox and back onto you, and then all of a sudden picked up the case on you again. It made no sense at the time, but given the idea that yavuz doesn't want us to notice that he isn't scumhunting, it makes some metric of sense that he would drop a vote on a teammate and then go back to what he was doing. Second of all, Fox posted what I quoted above on page 33, after yavuz voted for him. He is upset that yavuz just needlessly connected the two of them and he is trying to separate himself from him. He doesn’t vote for him, or pressure him, or ask him anything - he just says what he says and waltzes off. He just leaves a tidbit of a scumread against his teammate, who for obvious reasons is really easy to scumread. Third of all, yavuz is hunting hard for the SK and not hard for mafia because they’re his teammates. The only information he doesn’t have is who the SK is and that bothers him. That's why he's been playing the way he has so far.

Vote for bo_sox unless you buy that this clusterfuck of logic is legitimate.

[Jamiet99uk]

Just because Bo's scumreads are bad and his Yavuzovic bussing theory is bad doesn't add up to mean he is scum...

[y2kjbk]

But that's word salad to make it look like he put deep thought into his bus accusation.

[yavuzovic]

I highly recommend voting bo too. I stated 3 different reasons to vote him. I believe he will flip scum or SK.

[bo_sox48]

##VOTE bo_sox48, that's the right play here. He went AFK and mafia need to follow his vote on darg to ensure their influence right now.

I'm not AFK. I'm at work. I worked 5 to midnight yesterday and noon to midnight today. It's slow right now, so I'm on my phone.

What about my case on yavuz do you have questions about? Would you like to ask questions about the case or dismiss it entirely without actually understanding it?

[y2kjbk]

I mean I don't even know where to begin to ask questions, this post clearly isn't meant to inform of your opinion, it's meant to befuddle your opinion.