M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[goldfinger0303]

How does the new knowledge of Bob being the main counter wagon change your analysis

Late, I realize phase has passed but I'm reading from where I left off.

Fundamentally it doesn't change anything. By the time Bob was the leading counter-wagon, the votes on Flum were massively ahead of everyone else. Scum would still been looking to jump around.

ngl I didn't read your wall post super closely so maybe you explained it there (i'll go back to it at some point) but I don't understand why scum would be trying to jump around if town!Flum is massively ahead of everyone else. wouldn't scum want him dead?

I guess it's just my experience and philosophy. Scum will obviously be scattered about, but I think it's easiest to go for the low hanging fruit. And my hypothesis is that 1-2 scum will be among those who were searching for ways off the Flum wagon, but weren't pushing too hard. Just softing that they'd be willing to move off, so they could back up a move if it becomes necessary later.

[goldfinger0303]

At risk of inflating HR's ego, I'm going to make another post about him.

While my hypothesis of town being the lead wagons EOD1 fit with a scumread of HR, my scumread is not dependent upon that hypothesis. Word for word, I found him scummy for these reasons 1) HR was very indecisive on how he felt about Flum. Constantly hedged his statements. 2) He also deflected heat from damo, Bob and Donny towards the end of the day as people were feeling out possibilities for other wagons. He was open for rdrivera though, who I find to be pretty towny thus far.

How come you don't scumread me more if these things bothered you about HR? Pretty sure I did all of that also.

Frankly, you post too much and maybe it didn't stand out to me in my review of D1. What stood out most was your interactions with Durga. I will reread though.

[Donny Dude]

Chaqa, rdr, and others overall, please know when you base your entire read on someone on their meta it does absolutely nothing for me and feels extremely weak without specific citations. I’m not saying don’t use it at all because yeah, I see how change of behavior pattern over games would potentially be a reliable indicator. As new guy tho it’s kind of frustrating to have a whole read be “idk he’s acting different than [vague scum games], I think he’s fine.” which can also be waved away later as “huh, guess he tried something new.”

I do get where not relating as someone new.
Blamp, do you feel there are any meta reads that feel scummy to you?

[BesharamSabi]

VOTE COUNT VERSION 2.03

Say good luck to the worst co gm plz and ty

celaph: (4) Hellenic Riot, ghug, Durga, kgray
BobMcBob: (4) damo666* Maniac, Chaqa, rdrivera2005
damo666: (3) DemonRHK, goldfinger0303, BobMcBob
Vecna: (2) Jamiet99uk, TheFlyingBoat
TheFlyingBoat: (1) Bonatogether

Non-votes
bozotheclown
BusinessLamp
celaph
Donny Dude
Vecna

EOD IN 30.5 HOURS

In the great fire of London, in 1666, half of London was burnt down but only 6 people were injured.

[Donny Dude]

##VOTE celaph

Say more.

wtf you're gonna react to ghug voting you but not me?

What do you find this about Celaph surprising?

[Chaqa]

Chaqa, rdr, and others overall, please know when you base your entire read on someone on their meta it does absolutely nothing for me and feels extremely weak without specific citations. I’m not saying don’t use it at all because yeah, I see how change of behavior pattern over games would potentially be a reliable indicator. As new guy tho it’s kind of frustrating to have a whole read be “idk he’s acting different than [vague scum games], I think he’s fine.” which can also be waved away later as “huh, guess he tried something new.”

I know it's difficult, but it's really a valuable tool to reading people.

[ghug]

ghug when did you decide to fakeclaim roleblocked

When I was bored waiting for Tom to post the flip.

[goldfinger0303]

Chaqa, rdr, and others overall, please know when you base your entire read on someone on their meta it does absolutely nothing for me and feels extremely weak without specific citations. I’m not saying don’t use it at all because yeah, I see how change of behavior pattern over games would potentially be a reliable indicator. As new guy tho it’s kind of frustrating to have a whole read be “idk he’s acting different than [vague scum games], I think he’s fine.” which can also be waved away later as “huh, guess he tried something new.”

Agree with you but it´s hard to not use meta with people you have played a lot of games and have a clear meta to my eyes. I try to not use only meta to build a case against someone, but to have someone as town is inevitable sometimes.

Agree. I haven't played enough to really know people's meta, but a few memories do stick out to me and sway my opinions. Like I remember being scum in a game with damo cop, and damo was an absolute hound, leading town discussions and just being razor sharp.

And while I try not to include that as my case, it absolutely informs why I think his lazy posting is scummy.

[ghug]

ghug when did you decide to fakeclaim roleblocked

Yes, when?
And not only that, but why, wherefore, and for what reason?

Those are all the same question.

I thought it would put people with knowledge of the actual rollback on edge, and, regardless of the success of the primary goal, provide me a modicum of entertainment.

[goldfinger0303]

Oh hey, TFB showed up. Just letting you know, boat, posting the long reads post you did and then immediately dipping ain't a good look. I do that as scum all the time.

Bob, if you want people to stop scumreading you, how about stop being reactive and start being proactive. Because right now my eyes glaze over when I see posts from you or mentioning you, because it's been circular for two days now.

[goldfinger0303]

Also, how do you see who +1s posts

[Donny Dude]

Put your cursor over the +1

[ghug]

Huh, kgray really took any excuse to jump off of celaph and durga huh? THis also looks good for ghug, both the fakeclaiming RB and voting me over "not believing the claim". Not a good look for kgray though.
##vote celaph

I forgot I moved off of celaph lmao

I had a thought about the way you reacted to ghug's claim and the way ghug and HR reacted that and I thought it'd be fun to do one of those "pressure" votes. But I will go back to ##vote celaph

What was your thought?

[ghug]

I hate this post.

Damo, how can it be a silly reaction test if you now no longer suspect Chaqa of being scum? Would you have felt the same way if Chaqa claimed and nobody counter-claimed?

Also while I understand the interaction between Chaqa and ghug can be convincing, we cannot rule out that scum RB'd DeathLlama. There's only two PRs, and if they thought DL was one, it's a 50/50 chance its Doc. If I was scum I'd be roleblocking my kill every night. Why is nobody else even mentioning this possibility?

Bullshit. Roleblocking the kill is such a dumb play when there’s multiple PRs out there, I know you’re better than that.

##Vote goldfinger

Throw him out the airlock

Can you make those archived QTs available so it's possible to check if you endorse this as scum? I won't do it, but maybe bozo will. Thanks.

I remember him saying this before.

[Durga]

Also, how do you see who +1s posts

Goldie you're literally a mod

[goldfinger0303]

Also, how do you see who +1s posts

Goldie you're literally a mod

Honorary, pretty much. And I only really go on webDip on mobile, so that explains why I can't see lol

[ghug]

Yeah okay so celaph's 'reads' so far have been pretty bland surface-level statements and his questions seem to be more about finding inconsistencies with or asking for clarification on other people's reads. He's neither looking into motivations nor drawing any insightful conclusions of his own.

And I seriously cannot believe he didn't react at all to me scumreading and voting him. I'm hurt and extremely suspicious. Let's get him.

Also I think boatman is scummy now, and the two of them with ghug make sense as a scumteam in my mind.

Also happy with a Fox/Vecna wagon. That slot has done nothing towny.

You have no good reason to scumread me.

[Donny Dude]

Also, how do you see who +1s posts

Goldie you're literally a mod

Honorary, pretty much. And I only really go on webDip on mobile, so that explains why I can't see lol

I have no idea how to do that on mobile for looking at +1.

[ghug]

Also, how do you see who +1s posts

Goldie you're literally a mod

Honorary, pretty much. And I only really go on webDip on mobile, so that explains why I can't see lol

You can go to someone's profile and see their +1 history (both them +1ing and people +1ing them).

[goldfinger0303]

Ghug you're very sparing with your +1s