M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[BusinessLamp]

what did you like about the list?

When he inevitably got a bunch of heat for a poorly slapped together and somewhat illogical list, he immediately started probing people about their responses, not just trying to justify his silly list. If it wasn't intended to be a reaction test, it certainly ended up being used as one anyway.

to his credit he said to me later he was trying to generate discussion

[TheFlyingBoat]

That's fair.
I do have to agree with your damo take above.
I was going to use blamp as a Durga reader but now don't think thats a good idea.

yeah this is definitely a bad idea. For one, Durga and I mostly communicate over voice calls and have never been in a game environment together, so the mode of communication does not lend itself for me to have any more knowledge than others. Also, I have no idea how good at this in general I am lmao. No idea how solid my reads will be or if I'll be way way off.

not to mention, while i appreciate the trust, using anyone else as an indicator feels like it would just be a way to scapegoat/transfer blame to that person later on.

blamp, this is a stupid take

also the sudden jump to talk formally from not even capitalizing makes me kinda scumread you cause i do that sometimes when i'm lying. also you go back to not capitalizing like a nerd next paragraph

This seems like a really weird thing to take issue with Bona. Can you explain why you think changing syntax in this particular context is scummy instead of just NAI?

[TheFlyingBoat]

I have done a godawful, useless attempt at analyzing early data to find patterns, and I have returned with outliers of TFB and damo.

If it means anything or not is anyone's guess, but it's interesting and means I wanna see what develops.

Can you explain what the early data is? Is me being an outlier good or bad?

[BusinessLamp]

i dont get all the pressure on Bona for questioning that. there was a change of tone which he noted and asked about. made me townread him more.

[TheFlyingBoat]

he's been vaguely around and throwing a lot of weird shade without really looking for mafia

like

these are not the words of someone who particularly cares who dies d1

Honestly I'd be more suspicious of anyone who did particularly care whether someone dies. I have no knowledge of who is what and nobody except ghug and TFB had done anything AI at that point. And we do have a track record of D1 lurker kills... Just being realistic.

what exactly have ghug and TFB done that is AI?

Yeah all I got re: ghug in that fight is that ghug is ghug. Which is why I pinged the god thread and said ghug is going to be insane and harp on this meaningless joke for hours from like the first post because it is the most ghug thing possible.

[TheFlyingBoat]

i dont get all the pressure on Bona for questioning that. there was a change of tone which he noted and asked about. made me townread him more.

To be clear I don't think it AI. I am just trying to understand his analysis of you.

[BusinessLamp]

the real reason durga recruited me was to get more numbers for the kill the lurkers campaign

##vote maniac

game isn't fun and is less likely to be winnable if there's no information. hellenic has an interesting question to donny at end of post and i am intrigued by their allusion to their reputation. damo's first vote is laughably ironic at this point but at least it's something.

celaph seems to have actively contributed little, which doesn't sit well either.

[Maniac]

he's been vaguely around and throwing a lot of weird shade without really looking for mafia

like

Final thoughts for the night. Bona is cool. I have no issues with TFB. Ghug is making some odd logics but it's nothing alarming. Blamp is pretty cool. We're probably just gonna end up shooting lurker #2 at this rate, but as long as it's not goldfinger... sure, it's acceptable.

these are not the words of someone who particularly cares who dies d1

Honestly I'd be more suspicious of anyone who did particularly care whether someone dies. I have no knowledge of who is what and nobody except ghug and TFB had done anything AI at that point. And we do have a track record of D1 lurker kills... Just being realistic.

Gotcha Bob

##vote Bob

[BobMcBob]

he's been vaguely around and throwing a lot of weird shade without really looking for mafia

like

these are not the words of someone who particularly cares who dies d1

Honestly I'd be more suspicious of anyone who did particularly care whether someone dies. I have no knowledge of who is what and nobody except ghug and TFB had done anything AI at that point. And we do have a track record of D1 lurker kills... Just being realistic.

Gotcha Bob

##vote Bob

Ooookay, sure. Maniac would you mind doing literally anything else before going back to lurking?

[Maniac]

@BusinessLamp, please don’t kill me. I’ll be good I promise. I’m really lonely right now and signed up to have some purpose in my life and catch up with old friends and old foes. Please please please don’t kill me D1. I’ll be a good boy, I pinky promise

[BobMcBob]

Argue. It is making me lean town on both of them.

ghug argued with PE right off the bat last game and he was scum

Well I think it looks towny for now. So there.

And thus passes my 2500th post, with no fanfare or importance.

[Maniac]

Honestly I'd be more suspicious of anyone who did particularly care whether someone dies. I have no knowledge of who is what and nobody except ghug and TFB had done anything AI at that point. And we do have a track record of D1 lurker kills... Just being realistic.

Gotcha Bob

##vote Bob

Ooookay, sure. Maniac would you mind doing literally anything else before going back to lurking?

Wow Bob you really are anxious about being caught this game. I make one post about you consisting of two words and a vote and you jump up and get ultra defensive and throw shade on me for voting for you. Very interesting.

[BusinessLamp]

@BusinessLamp, please don’t kill me. I’ll be good I promise. I’m really lonely right now and signed up to have some purpose in my life and catch up with old friends and old foes. Please please please don’t kill me D1. I’ll be a good boy, I pinky promise

##unvote

[BusinessLamp]

@BusinessLamp, please don’t kill me. I’ll be good I promise. I’m really lonely right now and signed up to have some purpose in my life and catch up with old friends and old foes. Please please please don’t kill me D1. I’ll be a good boy, I pinky promise

it is interesting though that (even though this is a casual plea mainly) nowhere in it is there any indication of "you're wrong, i'm an innocent player." but alas i have a soul so i will not be voting maniac. no one else is allowed to make emotional pleas.

##vote celaph

[DeathLlama8]

why celaph over like hr/damo/rdrivera?

[DeathLlama8]

you state things some of the others have done earlier but like celaph's posted as well

[BusinessLamp]

why celaph over like hr/damo/rdrivera?

i think ive commented on both at some point earlier, but HR's post intrigues me and seems promising for future content. rdrivera i have a slight positive impression on from their early posts that felt genuine (its 1am sorry i dont feel like substantiating this further atm)

and then between celaph and damo, my gut just tells me that voting damo would do nothing to further discussion and help us move forward with the rest of the day. from what i recall damo's already being talked about a bit. celaph is like, online rn, and a bit more under the radar. might as well poke that bear too when there isn't too much differentiating them.

[BusinessLamp]

you state things some of the others have done earlier but like celaph's posted as well

i lied i did look into it further even though it's 1am

not to be too focused on the stuff about me, but rdi's reactions of doubting me at first and then seemingly coming around strike me as more genuine than celaph just slight town-reading me. if a potential route as mafia is about blending in and making non-controversial posts so as to not draw attention, i feel like celaph is moreso doing that.

which is also kind of why i townread bona decently strongly. the easy thing to do as scum is to just support/back the likeable new guy. him going against the grain a bit with that is a harder sell to make, so it feels more genuine.

[celaph]

this is interesting. it's setting something up that you can only use until your next scum game, especially now that you've articulated it this extensively. so this is probably the last time you can effectively use it as town. Alternatively, this game is the game that you deem important enough to wreck the streak with (potentially because your good pal BusinessLamp is playing, and because this game has been said to have an impressive player list). I don't think that's the case though-- this feels like the town-motivated culmination of this setup. You need to get the good payoff once and then also get the scum payoff for maximum utilization.

+5 town points for you Flum, full faith.

Pretty sure BL is town

Is this really that town indicative for blamp? It seems like a post scum!blamp might make to me.

On what basis are you differentiating town blamp behavior from scum blamp behavior besides what is normally towny/scummy? I would certainly describe the post as verbose, but none of the thoughts feel scummy to me. What say you?

[celaph]

Is this really that town indicative for blamp? It seems like a post scum!blamp might make to me.

elaborate

As a scum who likes game theory and who already has seen support from multiple people for the trust tell being trustworthy, why not make a post full of pretty decent logic supporting a known town? It doesn't really have a downside.

What do you think of Durga for calling blamp town then? It strikes me as odd that your disagreement was ostensibly about her read, but you've couched the discussion in blamp's alignment.