MAFIA 71: "PAPERS PLEASE" - GAME THREAD [Hidden]

[brainbomb]

And macca said they were the forger....? For someone who is all about evidence it's odd you are taking damo at his word and not the fact all he has done this day was buddy you.

feel free to shoot damo if youre so worried. youll need him dead eventually to win; and you better shoot him first so you dont just shoot each other

I don't have ability to shoot. I'm town. I could be Miller I guess?

I just don't think at this point in the game you can be like damo is town because he said so even tho his actions are all about budding you.

Okay well hope that damo and bozo shoot each other then if thats your stance

[BesharamSabi]

feel free to shoot damo if youre so worried. youll need him dead eventually to win; and you better shoot him first so you dont just shoot each other

I don't have ability to shoot. I'm town. I could be Miller I guess?

I just don't think at this point in the game you can be like damo is town because he said so even tho his actions are all about budding you.

Okay well hope that damo and bozo shoot each other then if thats your stance

I would be fine with that if they are both scum.

[brainbomb]

I don't have ability to shoot. I'm town. I could be Miller I guess?

I just don't think at this point in the game you can be like damo is town because he said so even tho his actions are all about budding you.

Okay well hope that damo and bozo shoot each other then if thats your stance

I would be fine with that if they are both scum.

cool

[damo666]

Well that is plain ridiculous.

K is Bozo or Sabi

E is Bra or Sabi

Bitterly disappointed.

[damo666]

So. We got to hope both scum aim for the same clear I guess.

[brainbomb]

ill be shooting flyingboat

macca has inspired me

[BesharamSabi]

If I was scum I would shoot Chaqa but that's just me.

[TheFlyingBoat]

you lied to me twice when I asked you if you were scum

very disappointed in your lies

So do you believe them? I don't see a reason to lie about this but the announcement is weird.

I cannot see Town making this claim. Like, maybe in some circumstances you'd want to reaction test, but I think they're being practical that they had 2 votes and that I was clearly scumreading them. Asking for second place in order to help get rid of the last Kolechian is not such a bad offer, but I just don't think it's enough for town to take up at this point, in no small part because if K could screw it up.

0. Right now, it's E (Macca) + K + (lfischl, TFB, me) + 3 town.

1. If we consider a worst case scenario where we miskill town, and then Macca unluckily hits town, and K hits a townclear, then it's: E (Macca) + K + (2 townclear) + 1 town.

Scenario 2.a: we kill Macca, K kills a townclear and it's K + 1 clear + 1 town my KiLo.

Scenario 2b: we miskill again (although at that point, it's 50/50) and go into the night with E + K + 2 townclear, and town can't win that.

Those are bad scenarios, maybe we could get luckier, but maybe we could also just thrash it out versus the last Kolechian.

Isn't 2b a likely town win?

[TheFlyingBoat]

Finally caught up with the day end. What absolute horse shit

[damo666]

Finally caught up with the day end. What absolute horse shit

Yep

[brainbomb]

im pretty much only ever killing sabi tomorrow

[brainbomb]

id prefer trying to actually figure out if damo or bozo are scum in kilo

[damo666]

im pretty much only ever killing sabi tomorrow

I would be happy with that.

If Sabi flips Ezic, last K is Bozo.

If Sabi flips K, last E is brain (I don't expect thus to happen if brain is happy to kill Sabi).

If Sabi flips town last K is Bozo, last E is brain. Again I think this unlikely if brain willing to kill Sabi.

Having explained this if brain tunnels me tomorrow instead of Sabi then he is E.

[BesharamSabi]

im pretty much only ever killing sabi tomorrow

Great job at miskilling lol

[BesharamSabi]

If brainbomb is still alive I'm down to kill him tomorrow because I think the roleblock was a lie and him not caring that damo is budding him is off.

He's lats ezics.

Hope a cop scans him

[TheFlyingBoat]

Before I likely die let's walk through the most likely worst case scenario. Mafia kills me and Fox leaving us with Brain, Bozo, Damo, lfischl, and Sabi left. Lfischl is a clear. Brain is a soft clear due to the role block claim. They should have a 2/3 chance of finding scum in that 3 person PoE. If they guess successfully it is a winnable 2v1 on the final day.

If they guess incorrectly, we'll be left with a 1-2-1 heading into the night and we'll have to hope either at least one guy hits the opposing mafia to give us the aforementioned 2v1 or both choose the same town to kill to force a 1-1-1 where the correct answer is to vote no-kill and hope/assume mafia take each other out.

Now I understand the urge to kill Sabi here, I do, but do we actually think it is more likely they are scum than damo or bozo here? What do you think of their interaction with Eden before he subbed out for Squigs?

[brainbomb]

bozo seems more questionable in posting and his stances than damo

[BesharamSabi]

Before I likely die let's walk through the most likely worst case scenario. Mafia kills me and Fox leaving us with Brain, Bozo, Damo, lfischl, and Sabi left. Lfischl is a clear. Brain is a soft clear due to the role block claim. They should have a 2/3 chance of finding scum in that 3 person PoE. If they guess successfully it is a winnable 2v1 on the final day.

If they guess incorrectly, we'll be left with a 1-2-1 heading into the night and we'll have to hope either at least one guy hits the opposing mafia to give us the aforementioned 2v1 or both choose the same town to kill to force a 1-1-1 where the correct answer is to vote no-kill and hope/assume mafia take each other out.

Now I understand the urge to kill Sabi here, I do, but do we actually think it is more likely they are scum than damo or bozo here? What do you think of their interaction with Eden before he subbed out for Squigs?

Brainbomb whole case on me was a theory that eden was coaching me even tho eden was doctor.

That's quite literally it.

Clearly it wasn't coaching.

[brainbomb]

normally bozo is coherent and in this game he has taken almost every wackadoo stance you can at the time much to the detriment of peoples ability to frame their views

for instance when the roleblock happened he began hawkishly and indirectly naysaying that the roleblock was fake without ever directly accusing me of being scum

when it was asserted I couldnt be kalech mafia he claimed I could still be kalech mafia and that maybe the other team even when facing certain death chose to just keep letting me allegedly lie.

when he was scanned and exonerated of being forger he chose the stance that he could be the forger who self forged meaning he wasnt cleared of being ezic even though it states nowhere in the role that forger could self forge. somehow he just knew that was a possibility and did the old gambit of state the obvious and appear stewardly. this struck me as deliberately detrimental to self as if to score points for being clarifying.

[brainbomb]

##call gm is there a circumstance where the two scum could agree to a draw rather than risk killing each other?

what scenarios are in play where a tie between two sides or three sides would trigger