MAFIA 71: "PAPERS PLEASE" - GAME THREAD [Hidden]

[brainbomb]

picking sabi but im fine also with macca just since macca is very likely to be unhelpful in solving

[brainbomb]

I think what bothers me most about sabi is the whole pile on every majority wagon no matter what mentality

[BesharamSabi]

I think what bothers me most about sabi is the whole pile on every majority wagon no matter what mentality

Damn OK.

Well I have time now. The coup of diplomacy on discord is over. Holidays is done. I'm ready to solve.

[TheFlyingBoat]

Does anyone here who has more experience have a recollection of which games Durga was scum? Want to do some analysis there. I really don't think her vote and behavior re: Damo constituted bussing but I'm happy to take the shot at Macca. ##VOTE Macca. Played even worse than Sabi and unlike Sabi didn't have a townslip I don't think they could fake. Plus I called Macca on D2 so it would be fun if that held.

[bozotheclown]

Does anyone here who has more experience have a recollection of which games Durga was scum? Want to do some analysis there. I really don't think her vote and behavior re: Damo constituted bussing but I'm happy to take the shot at Macca. ##VOTE Macca. Played even worse than Sabi and unlike Sabi didn't have a townslip I don't think they could fake. Plus I called Macca on D2 so it would be fun if that held.

The more recent games I remember where Durga was mafia were M1016, M60, and M1014.

[bozotheclown]

1. BesharamSabi's town slip was real
2. brainbomb was roleblocked
3. ghug was not bussing Macca
4. Durga was not bussing damo

If exactly 1 of these assumptions is false, here are the possible remaining mafia combinations:

1. damo (E)/BesharamSabi (K)
2. brainbomb (E)/?
3. Macca (E)/?
4. ?/damo (K)

From this I can conclude that either assumption 1 is false, or at least two of these assumptions are false.

If exactly 2 of these assumptions are false, here are the possible remaining mafia combinations:

1 and 2: damo (E)/BesharamSabi (K), brainbomb (E)/BesharamSabi (K)

1 and 3: damo (E)/BesharamSabi (K), Macca (E)/BesharamSabi (K)

1 and 4: damo (E)/BesharamSabi (K), BesharamSabi (E)/damo (K)

2 and 3: brainbomb (E)/?, Macca (E)/?

2 and 4: brainbomb (E)/damo (K)

3 and 4: Macca (E)/damo (K)

I haven't checked these findings by I assume they are all from a townbozo pov.

2 and 3 can't both be false since only 1 E vacancy.

Therefore, considering I am town, at least one of Sabi and Bozo MUST BE SCUM. I think Bozo slightly more likely but think he can only be K whereas S can be both.

Happy to vote either.

Right, 2 and 3 are mutually exclusive. Also, if 1 and 2 are both false or 1 and 3 are both false, it would no longer be possible for you to be mafia, and if 4 is false, that leaves you as the final K.

The possible combinations (from my point of view) should have been this:

1 (and only 1) false: damo (E)/BesharamSabi (K)

1 and 2 false: brainbomb (E)/BesharamSabi (K)

1 and 3 false: Macca (E)/BesharamSabi (K)

1 and 4 false: BesharamSabi (E)/damo (K)

2 and 4 false: brainbomb (E)/damo (K)

3 and 4 false: Macca (E)/damo (K)

[bozotheclown]

Considering how ghug bussed captainmeme D1, I think his D1 vote for damo or his D1 vote for Macca could have been attempts at distancing, neither one had any other votes at the time ghug voted for them.

Also, ghug and Macca voting for each other D2 when ghug was the top wagon could have been distancing. When Macca became tied with ghug as the top wagon, ghug switched his vote to Tom, then Macca later switched their vote to Tom when ghug was still the top wagon.

[bozotheclown]

I think the bot broke.

Never mind

I could have sworn I threw in a ##VOTE macca

ghug did not vote for Macca until there were 14 minutes left in D1, and Macca had no votes, while 5 other players had 2 or more votes. ghug putting this vote on Macca instead of one of the other wagons could easily have been an attempt at distancing. Also, ghug posted 8 more times D1, yet never mentioned Macca again, despite Macca picking up 2 more votes and becoming tied as the top wagon from 11 minutes until EOD to 6 minutes until EOD.

If I die, kill ghug

done.

##VOTE ghug

On D2, Macca voted for ghug when he already had 4 votes, including captainmeme, so they may have though it was a good time to bus ghug.

My gut is telling me that I need to let go if ghug for now.

I need to vote someone, and highest voted scumread will do
##VOTE Tom Bombadil

The sun is properly risen now, I need to sleep.

However, after voting for ghug for most of D2, Macca moved their vote to Tom with their last post of D2, even though ghug had started the Tom wagon, and ghug was still the lead wagon by 1 vote.

[bozotheclown]

Anyone wanna ##VOTE Tom with me?

ghug placed this vote for Tom D2 after voting for Macca for over 30 hours, not long after Macca became tied with ghug as the top wagon.

[bozotheclown]

I think ghug and Macca voting for each other the majority of D2, yet both moving their votes to Tom when the other was still at least tied as the lead wagon, is best explained by them being teammates.

##VOTE Macca

[damo666]

1. BesharamSabi's town slip was real
2. brainbomb was roleblocked
3. ghug was not bussing Macca
4. Durga was not bussing damo

If exactly 1 of these assumptions is false, here are the possible remaining mafia combinations:

1. damo (E)/BesharamSabi (K)
2. brainbomb (E)/?
3. Macca (E)/?
4. ?/damo (K)

From this I can conclude that either assumption 1 is false, or at least two of these assumptions are false.

If exactly 2 of these assumptions are false, here are the possible remaining mafia combinations:

1 and 2: damo (E)/BesharamSabi (K), brainbomb (E)/BesharamSabi (K)

1 and 3: damo (E)/BesharamSabi (K), Macca (E)/BesharamSabi (K)

1 and 4: damo (E)/BesharamSabi (K), BesharamSabi (E)/damo (K)

2 and 3: brainbomb (E)/?, Macca (E)/?

2 and 4: brainbomb (E)/damo (K)

3 and 4: Macca (E)/damo (K)

I haven't checked these findings by I assume they are all from a townbozo pov.

2 and 3 can't both be false since only 1 E vacancy.

Therefore, considering I am town, at least one of Sabi and Bozo MUST BE SCUM. I think Bozo slightly more likely but think he can only be K whereas S can be both.

Happy to vote either.

Right, 2 and 3 are mutually exclusive. Also, if 1 and 2 are both false or 1 and 3 are both false, it would no longer be possible for you to be mafia, and if 4 is false, that leaves you as the final K.

The possible combinations (from my point of view) should have been this:

1 (and only 1) false: damo (E)/BesharamSabi (K)

1 and 2 false: brainbomb (E)/BesharamSabi (K)

1 and 3 false: Macca (E)/BesharamSabi (K)

1 and 4 false: BesharamSabi (E)/damo (K)

2 and 4 false: brainbomb (E)/damo (K)

3 and 4 false: Macca (E)/damo (K)

From mpov it is one of the following:

Bozo* Sabi
Brain Sabi
Brain Bozo
Macca Sabi
Macca Bozo
Sabi Bozo
Brain Bozo

* although I don't think Bozo is E but can't remember why off the top of my head.

I agree there does appear to be a reasonable case against Macca.

[TheMadMonarch]

I am not mafia, but I can understand why you think that. I also understand why you would want to get me even if I was town. I won't vote for myself on a principle, but know there are no hard feeling if you vote for me.

##VOTE damo

[damo666]

I am not mafia, but I can understand why you think that. I also understand why you would want to get me even if I was town. I won't vote for myself on a principle, but know there are no hard feeling if you vote for me.

##VOTE damo

This smacks of scum desperation thinking I am their only chance of a miskill

[Jamiet99uk]

== MINISTRY of ADMINISTRATION ==
++ VOTE COUNT: DAY 4, ISSUE 1 ++

Macca573(2) - TheFlyingBoat, Bozotheclown
Bozotheclown(1) - damo666
BesharamSabi(1) - brainbomb
Damo666(1) - Macca573

Currently MACCA is set to be purged.

10 hrs and 35 mins remain in Day 4.

[TheMadMonarch]

I am not mafia, but I can understand why you think that. I also understand why you would want to get me even if I was town. I won't vote for myself on a principle, but know there are no hard feeling if you vote for me.

##VOTE damo

This smacks of scum desperation thinking I am their only chance of a miskill

If I wanted an easy miskill, I would push for sabi's death. that would be a lot easier.

[brainbomb]

Macca it should be easy for you to actually solve here. other than repeating I am not scum numerous times since day 1; do you ever intend to actually do anything resembling your town play?

[brainbomb]

and to say sabi is an easy miskill is weird since sabi has done nothing since day 1 to meaningfully question anyone whatsoever. can you explain what makes sabi so obviously town and who the last two scum are in your estimation?

[brainbomb]

if sabi is town then scum would want sabi alive so thats two people who would want sabi in the endgame

if sabi is scum then the other scum member would want sabi alive so the clears can die rapidly here

there isnt a scenario where sabi is an easy miskill that scum would be pushing fot today so your logic is fraudulent

[brainbomb]

END OF NIGHT ONE

Although the first day of opening had passed reasonably smoothly, apart from that strange boy with the cat, the night did not pass so peacefully in the district around the Grestin Border Checkpoint. As the morning dawned, the work of counter-state forces was clearly in evidence. A burned-out tourist bus was being doused down by firefighters, while the East Grestin police had taped off a small area of public space near the checkpoint.

Durga has died, she was Carpov Calistnen, the KOLECHIAN BUS DRIVER
Kgray has died, she was Shae Piersovska, the VANILLA ENTRANT

Day Two has started.
You may post.

WHAT THE FUCK

Of all people to kill day one.

Also wtf at durga being scum.

What

The

Fuck.

this just seems like sabi is scum here. can anyone explain how this reaction could be sincere?

[brainbomb]

END OF NIGHT ONE

Although the first day of opening had passed reasonably smoothly, apart from that strange boy with the cat, the night did not pass so peacefully in the district around the Grestin Border Checkpoint. As the morning dawned, the work of counter-state forces was clearly in evidence. A burned-out tourist bus was being doused down by firefighters, while the East Grestin police had taped off a small area of public space near the checkpoint.

Durga has died, she was Carpov Calistnen, the KOLECHIAN BUS DRIVER
Kgray has died, she was Shae Piersovska, the VANILLA ENTRANT

Day Two has started.
You may post.

oh wow thank god they killed Durga. Would never have supported a kill on her. Rip kgray.

Same I would have never voted for durga.

I guess I should reread her.

I did say it was weird how she was budding rdr. Very weird indeed.

She also never answered any of my questions either.

This changes a lot of things ugh.

Why did she post so much.

did you ever actually reread durga?
also what things did this change for you?