MAFIA 71: "PAPERS PLEASE" - GAME THREAD [Hidden]

[brainbomb]

I personally do not want to trust our game in the hands of how sabi is playing

[brainbomb]

I really hope you werent lyin macca

[TheMadMonarch]

I really hope you werent lyin macca

I 'aint lying so far. But for clarity, which bit are you referring too?

[TheMadMonarch]

Ah yes, and your play this game has been just outstanding...

I'm not offended. This is a fact.

The point here is rdr us lying.

rdr is lying about what?

Here

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Why are you giving such a free pass to Macca and TFB?

Specially Macca. They were scum before and played really well being under the radar until the end.

I've done well as scum twice.
1st time was (for all intents and purposes) my first ever game. kgray hard carried me, and I got a major noob-pass. I did not play well here.

2nd time I was by all means a known scum at the end. I only got through by tricking town into thinking I was gonna get modkilled. Not a long term stratergy. I did not play well here.


rdr is playing up my scum ability, which is absurd, because I feel like I'm known at this point for playing as well as a noob, even after 2 years.

[damo666]

I'm not offended. This is a fact.

The point here is rdr us lying.

rdr is lying about what?

Here

E pool bar squ Sabi rdr

K pool boz squ Sabi rdr

Why are you giving such a free pass to Macca and TFB?

Specially Macca. They were scum before and played really well being under the radar until the end.

I've done well as scum twice.
1st time was (for all intents and purposes) my first ever game. kgray hard carried me, and I got a major noob-pass. I did not play well here.

2nd time I was by all means a known scum at the end. I only got through by tricking town into thinking I was gonna get modkilled. Not a long term stratergy. I did not play well here.


rdr is playing up my scum ability, which is absurd, because I feel like I'm known at this point for playing as well as a noob, even after 2 years.

Ok thanks. Yes yu may well be right. Maybe scumrdr is shading you.

[damo666]

I personally do not want to trust our game in the hands of how sabi is playing

I think Sabi is a D5 or D6 kill. Not D4.

[Squigs44]

Bout to board a flight and will miss EoN. As much as I'd love to be killed so I don't have to choose between this game and my family over the next week, I doubt I'm killed. If I am, you know who I think are the last 2 mafia. Even so, I don't think anyone besides Fox and lfischl are townlocks. We've got several players known for endgaming as scum and several players who are lurking/NAI

[BesharamSabi]

I personally do not want to trust our game in the hands of how sabi is playing

Sabi is in the middle of nexus splitting off into two servers (I am admin on the new server).

This wasn't supposed to happen now.

Sorry that took over my time and energy.

[bozotheclown]

Although I have been pointing out potential bold scum plays, the fact is more often than not the simplest explanation is correct. So, the following is probably true:

1. BesharamSabi's town slip was real
2. brainbomb was roleblocked
3. PE was not on ghug's team

I think the amount of bussing that occurred is being underestimated, so we should look at the timing of potential busses. For instance, ghug placing a fifth vote on captainmeme when he was the lead wagon makes sense, as ghug would have an incentive to end on captainmeme if he was going to be the DK. However, ghug voting for TFB to make him the lead wagon when there were 4 wagons tied at 3 is not likely to have been a bus. Also, it is not likely ghug would try to make Macca his counter wagon D2 if they were teammates. I also think Durga's votes for damo and Macca D1 are not likely to be busses, and I doubt TFB was bussing Fluminator D1.

I think all of this make rdrivera and damo the best candidates for the remaining ghug teammate and Squigs and rdrivera the best candidates for the remaining Durga teammate. I can see why I would be a good candidate for Durga's team also, but I am town.

[brainbomb]

Although I have been pointing out potential bold scum plays, the fact is more often than not the simplest explanation is correct. So, the following is probably true:

1. BesharamSabi's town slip was real
2. brainbomb was roleblocked
3. PE was not on ghug's team

I think the amount of bussing that occurred is being underestimated, so we should look at the timing of potential busses. For instance, ghug placing a fifth vote on captainmeme when he was the lead wagon makes sense, as ghug would have an incentive to end on captainmeme if he was going to be the DK. However, ghug voting for TFB to make him the lead wagon when there were 4 wagons tied at 3 is not likely to have been a bus. Also, it is not likely ghug would try to make Macca his counter wagon D2 if they were teammates. I also think Durga's votes for damo and Macca D1 are not likely to be busses, and I doubt TFB was bussing Fluminator D1.

I think all of this make rdrivera and damo the best candidates for the remaining ghug teammate and Squigs and rdrivera the best candidates for the remaining Durga teammate. I can see why I would be a good candidate for Durga's team also, but I am town.

I can buy this

[brainbomb]

rivera feels way too behind the scenes for my liking

[brainbomb]

what prompted you to abandon all your theoreticals

[brainbomb]

I suspect lfischl will die here or myself or both

My reads upon death are:

macca- was pushed by both scumteams and has professed to be town here. leaning town.

sabi- follows whatever is happening. struggles with producing content. has made townslips and gaffes all along. Probably town

bozo- fits the mould some have said was his scum meta. has produced questionable theories which seem to be a little off base for him. seems to capitulate at a reasonable time. null

squiggs- I cant shake the feeling he is scum. It is unsettling and therr are moments where I think im looking at an evil genius. his town traits are fearless, talkative and reactive. his scum traits are sneaky, nefarious, deliberate in situations that seem discreet.

damo - reactive, nervous and jumbled. Damo has stayed very uninvolved. I could see him as ghugs killer, from the flum and durga team.

flyingboat- seems town and geniunely taken aback at being tested on his track record. town

rdrivera- has not done enough to be town. hasnt led much of anything. has played from the shadows and only occasional chime ins. feels like an obvious ghug and meme teamate

[brainbomb]

rdrivera share me your wisdom

Why do I have so few scum reads?

Because I am tryng to focus on townreads other then scumreads.

Because it's D1.

In fact, I don't have any solid scumread, I have a few people I would not mind voting that include meme, Fox, Bona and TFB.

[rdrivera2005]

I love playing scum, but I'm absolutely terrible at it.

Ah yes, and your play this game has been just outstanding...

I'm not offended. This is a fact.

The point here is rdr us lying.

M66 - You won as Mafia and was alive at the end. Where I am lying?

Day Six Final Vote Count:

Bonatogether (7): foodcoats, kgray, rdrivera2005, celaph, yavuzovic, damo666, Macca573
Macca573 (2): Chaqa, Jamiet99uk
damo666 (1): Bonatogether

BONATOGETHER has died. He was PERCY JACKSON, the VANILLA TOWNIE!

GAME HAS ENDED. THE MAFIA HAVE WON.

KGRAY was JANUS, the MAFIA DRIVER
CHAQA was HYPERION, the MAFIA GODFATHER
CELAPH was HEKATE, the MAFIA JANITOR
MACCA573 was PROMETHEUS, the MAFIA NINJA

God QT link: https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/n8g3FNcrKvMNT
Mafia QT link: https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/JV6WRfMqen7S7

[brainbomb]

It is obviously hard to identify the mafia when no one has to try to fabricate reads, but the players who seem most town-like to me so far are BesharamSabi, PE/Squigs, TheFlyingBoat, Macca, damo, Durga, and Foxcastle. If I am right about all of these, there are 6 scum in the following 9: brainbomb, captainmeme, CV/snowy, Fluminator, ghug, kgray, lfischl, rdrivera, and Tom.

his team compositions here would be bussing regardless of which he was on. feel unecessary either way

[brainbomb]

bozo should be thrilled that his original list of 6 was exceptional

[rdrivera2005]

I'm not offended. This is a fact.

The point here is rdr us lying.

rdr is lying about what?

Here

E pool bar squ Sabi rdr

K pool boz squ Sabi rdr

Why are you giving such a free pass to Macca and TFB?

Specially Macca. They were scum before and played really well being under the radar until the end.

I've done well as scum twice.
1st time was (for all intents and purposes) my first ever game. kgray hard carried me, and I got a major noob-pass. I did not play well here.

2nd time I was by all means a known scum at the end. I only got through by tricking town into thinking I was gonna get modkilled. Not a long term stratergy. I did not play well here.


rdr is playing up my scum ability, which is absurd, because I feel like I'm known at this point for playing as well as a noob, even after 2 years.

You played well, you didn´t vote and make people think you would be modkilled but show at the end and voted. This was a smart play as scum, even if you can´t do it twice.

[damo666]

I suspect lfischl will die here or myself or both

My reads upon death are:

macca- was pushed by both scumteams and has professed to be town here. leaning town.

sabi- follows whatever is happening. struggles with producing content. has made townslips and gaffes all along. Probably town

bozo- fits the mould some have said was his scum meta. has produced questionable theories which seem to be a little off base for him. seems to capitulate at a reasonable time. null

squiggs- I cant shake the feeling he is scum. It is unsettling and therr are moments where I think im looking at an evil genius. his town traits are fearless, talkative and reactive. his scum traits are sneaky, nefarious, deliberate in situations that seem discreet.

damo - reactive, nervous and jumbled. Damo has stayed very uninvolved. I could see him as ghugs killer, from the flum and durga team.

flyingboat- seems town and geniunely taken aback at being tested on his track record. town

rdrivera- has not done enough to be town. hasnt led much of anything. has played from the shadows and only occasional chime ins. feels like an obvious ghug and meme teamate

I generally agree with these reads apart of course from that on me.

'Very uninvolved' is a tad harsh. Day 1 ok (am usually low poster D1) but posting positions after that N1 7th, D2 7th, N2 8th, D3 6th, N3 1st. That's hardly 'very uninvolved'!

[rdrivera2005]

Anyway, I will miss EON.

In case I die, which I find pretty not likely with PRs in the out and with the level of shading people are doing on me, but who knows. Please try to be objective.

Don´t follow Damo´s assumptions. Look at intention, look at votes, now "townslips" or "X will never buss" or bullshit like that. Also, if there is another scum dead tonight, I think a massclaim is probably the bast call for tomorrow.

If I die, kill the scummiest people (at this moment, its´s Damo to me). Don´t let Sabi be alive at milo/lilo. What all scum want is someone like them at the end and whoever start defending them is probably the last scum.

Peace.