MAFIA XXXVIII: INFINITY WAR

[Squigs44]

Rephrasing this sequence of events -

flash: What is my usual amount of hedginess? How hedgy is too hedgy, darg?
darg: The usual amount of hedginess is less. Your amount of hedginess is too hedgy because you are me and if I were in your shoes, I would be scum.

I'm not sure if I make sense of the darg part here. What's your point?

[ghug]

Bo's scum too.

Let's get Ezio, guys.

[bo_sox48]

Rephrasing this sequence of events -

flash: What is my usual amount of hedginess? How hedgy is too hedgy, darg?
darg: The usual amount of hedginess is less. Your amount of hedginess is too hedgy because you are me and if I were in your shoes, I would be scum.

I'm not sure if I make sense of the darg part here. What's your point?

The point is that he danced around the question.

[ChippeRock]

Vote Count 1.3
y2kjbk (4): brainbomb, Foxcastle, rdrivera2005, DoubtingThomas
snowy801 (4): Vecna, Jamiet99uk, BismarckAlive, worcej
Foxcastle (3): snowy801, ND, damo666
flash2015 (2): Squigs44, dargorygel
brainbomb (1): flash2015
Vecna (1): ChippeRock*
dargorygel (1): xorxes
ChippeRock (1): Ezio
Jamiet99uk (1): y2kjbk
Ezio (1): ghug
Squigs44 (1): yavuzovic

End-votes (1/23): ChippeRock

Presently nobody is set to be lynched

[ChippeRock]

Vote Count 1.3
y2kjbk (4): brainbomb, Foxcastle, rdrivera2005, DoubtingThomas
snowy801 (4): Vecna, Jamiet99uk, BismarckAlive, worcej
Foxcastle (3): snowy801, ND, damo666
flash2015 (2): Squigs44, dargorygel
brainbomb (1): flash2015
Vecna (1): ChippeRock*
dargorygel (1): xorxes
ChippeRock (1): Ezio
Jamiet99uk (1): y2kjbk
Ezio (1): ghug
Squigs44 (1): yavuzovic

End-votes (1/23): ChippeRock

Presently nobody is set to be lynched

I feel like if we're this all over the place on who to lynch than probably whoever we do lynch will be a townie unfortunately.

[bo_sox48]

I feel like if we're this all over the place on who to lynch than probably whoever we do lynch will be a townie unfortunately.

How do you suppose? Spreading out votes gives us more information down the line than having two or three obvious wagons to choose from so early in the day.

[ChippeRock]

I feel like if we're this all over the place on who to lynch than probably whoever we do lynch will be a townie unfortunately.

How do you suppose? Spreading out votes gives us more information down the line than having two or three obvious wagons to choose from so early in the day.

If we are this undecided on who's scum than that means there's a lack of information on who's scum and therefore it's probably closer to random on whether or not on we're lynching scum or town.

[bo_sox48]

Okay, but if we force flash, xorxes, Ezio, y2k, ghug, yavuz, and yourself to bail on the people you're voting on and pick someone who has multiple votes to try and establish the day's wagons then we're robbing ourselves of information that comes down the line as people flip, which is when we have our best shot of determining what all of our intentions were with the votes that we cast.

Do you think that we should have information on the scumteam by now? How do you suppose we get it?

[Jamiet99uk]

Of course there's a lack of information.

It is Day One.

[rdrivera2005]

I feel like if we're this all over the place on who to lynch than probably whoever we do lynch will be a townie unfortunately.

How do you suppose? Spreading out votes gives us more information down the line than having two or three obvious wagons to choose from so early in the day.

If we are this undecided on who's scum than that means there's a lack of information on who's scum and therefore it's probably closer to random on whether or not on we're lynching scum or town.

Welcome to Mafia D1.

How do you think we can be sure we are lynching scum on D1? Or are you advocating a no-lynch?

[Ezio]

Did I hear NoLynch?

I heard whispers of it from Foxcastle but I was certain he was memeing.

[Squigs44]

I feel like yavuz is getting bussed.

Who is bussing Yavuz? Why do you think this?

[ChippeRock]

Did I hear NoLynch?

I heard whispers of it from Foxcastle but I was certain he was memeing.

Lookie here, I finally found a topic to bring Ezio out of his shell!

Did I specifically mention a No Lynch? You know how unrealistic it is to get 12 people who have already voted to vote for a no lynch...

[Ezio]

Don't need 12. Just need more on NoLynch than on any other wagon

[RagingIke297]

Official Vote Count 1.1
y2kjbk(4) brainbomb, Foxcastle, rdrivera2005, DoubtingThomas
snowy801(4) Vecna, Jamiet99uk, BismarckAlive, worcej
Foxcastle(3) snowy801, ND, damo666
flash2015(2) Squigs44, dargorygel
brainbomb(1) flash2015
Vecna(1) ChippeRock*
dargorygel(1) xorxes
ChippeRock(1) Ezio
Jamiet99uk(1) y2kjbk
Ezio(1) ghug
Squigs44(1) yavuzovic

End Votes: ChippeRock

Have not voted:
bozotheclown
bo_sox48
Hellenic Riot


You have 24.5 hours left currently until EOD 1

[yavuzovic]

From flash

Wait there, where did it say VT would not know their names?

If you didnt know that tou aren't VT.

[bo_sox48]

I feel like yavuz is getting bussed.

Who is bussing Yavuz? Why do you think this?

Thanks for asking. I’ll take this as a reminder to ##VOTE yavuz.

Initially, I was thinking that DT and Foxcastle might have been bussing him but I don't think that entirely anymore. I’m still on board with a Fox-yavuz team, though. You pointed out that DT's play has been "out in the open" so I reread him myself and I agree with you. Fox, though, rubbed me the wrong way with this:

Yavuz seems off. He's usually more willing to engage, usually more willing to read up, and unusually willing to vote without stating much of a reason (his reasons are usually gut reactions, but they are strongly held).

At first glace, I agreed with him. I thought it was a good point. I noticed that he made the point and disappeared, which is important. Then, I reread yavuz. His vote on you, Squiggles, was classic yavuz. He took something you said and ignored all of the possibilities except for one that he wanted to go with, which is that you are the serial killer and you faked a slip so that nobody would catch you. What isn’t classic yavuz is that he is blatantly going against his own views by keeping his vote on you instead of throwing it all over like he often does, and by keeping his vote on you and trying to catch the SK, he is actively avoiding scumhunting despite reminding us on a couple of occasions that it's more important to catch the mafia team than the SK.

On page 34, yavuz reinforced my stance with this gem:

I wonder what brain meant with asking why I'm voting for SK.
I said we should use all our power to find the SK, I didn't say we should ignore SK.
I just prefer lynching a scum to lynching the SK. Anyway I prefer both to lynching a town

a) yavuz said you, Squiggles, are the SK.
b) if yavuz prefers lynching scum to lynching the SK, why is he voting for the guy who he thinks slipped SK instead of someone else? Remember that he reinforced his vote on you on page 32, switching back from voting for Fox earlier on page 32 for… reasons.
c) if yavuz thinks flash slipped SK as well, as he said on page 33, why is his vote still on you for slipping SK? Why is he saying that we should focus on the mafia team putting all of his effort into asking the GMs about SK mechanics and voting for people he thinks slipped SK?

I think three things are happening: first of all, yavuz voted for Fox on page 32 for basically nothing, which should have signified that he was leaving the “case” on you, Squigs, behind. Instead, he jumped back off of Fox and back onto you, and then all of a sudden picked up the case on you again. It made no sense at the time, but given the idea that yavuz doesn't want us to notice that he isn't scumhunting, it makes some metric of sense that he would drop a vote on a teammate and then go back to what he was doing. Second of all, Fox posted what I quoted above on page 33, after yavuz voted for him. He is upset that yavuz just needlessly connected the two of them and he is trying to separate himself from him. He doesn’t vote for him, or pressure him, or ask him anything - he just says what he says and waltzes off. He just leaves a tidbit of a scumread against his teammate, who for obvious reasons is really easy to scumread. Third of all, yavuz is hunting hard for the SK and not hard for mafia because they’re his teammates. The only information he doesn’t have is who the SK is and that bothers him. That's why he's been playing the way he has so far.

[yavuzovic]

b) if yavuz prefers lynching scum to lynching the SK, why is he voting for the guy who he thinks slipped SK instead of someone else? Remember that he reinforced his vote on you on page 32, switching back from voting for Fox earlier on page 32 for… reasons

Easy, I don't have a scumread yet. Who should I vote for? Towns? Slight bad feelings from bo

c) if yavuz thinks flash slipped SK as well, as he said on page 33, why is his vote still on you for slipping SK? Why is he saying that we should focus on the mafia team putting all of his effort into asking the GMs about SK mechanics and voting for people he thinks slipped SK?

He is right. I don't have defence here.

[yavuzovic]

he is actively avoiding scumhunting despite reminding us on a couple of occasions that it's more important to catch the mafia team than the SK.

I don't. I said that once. Bo's agressive attack is towny for me - he tries to find. But this is also scummy he creates fake evidences. I didn't like that (not surprised as he is voting me )

[bo_sox48]

he is actively avoiding scumhunting despite reminding us on a couple of occasions that it's more important to catch the mafia team than the SK.

I don't. I said that once. Bo's agressive attack is towny for me - he tries to find. But this is also scummy he creates fake evidences. I didn't like that (not surprised as he is voting me )

I wish I didn't have to go to work. I would love to go back and forth with you about how you townread me because I'm playing like you expect a town player to play, but you scumread me because you think I'm lying in order to make myself look like town.