MAFIA 71: "PAPERS PLEASE" - GAME THREAD [Hidden]

[kgray]

Has anyone considered Fluminator as a scum read?

Yes

[snowy801]

I could see Bonatogether and lfischl being on the same scum team, voting for each other for cat related reasons, but I am still more suspicious of lfischl. I think either one would be a better DK than captainmeme, whose chance of being scum I would estimate as 6/17.

I think bona looked fine, bozo (haven't read lfischl yet)

What's pinging you here, just the connection?

[brainbomb]

Is it then your assessment that Tom is tending to lurk and do next to nothing in this game? And what does pedestrian mean here?

I think Tom is doing more than enough and tonally seems town to me. Pedestrian in this case would mean sitting on the sidelines watching the game, chiming in only now and then to muse about something jokey or totally pointless and then going back to doing nothing while the mob rips each other up

Perhaps I misunderstood you here. You imply that town!Tom is one of lurk and inactivity, but then observe that current!Tom is not in alignment with this behavior, and therefore you conclude that he is town?

Is it that you also believe scum!Tom behaves this way? In which case what makes this behavior alignment indicative?

I beleive scum tom from numerous experiences has gotten away with murder and has coasted in inactivity like a teacon type meta.

he isnt doing that here; that is my assessment


I beleive it is how he plays as scum. and therefore its just what he does as scum. and it isnt what he does as scum. behavioral patterns is what I am basing my logic on. I havent seen a high volume, charming, affable and vocal tom bombadil ever when he was mafia

[snowy801]

Has anyone considered Fluminator as a scum read?

Yes

What came of it?

[brainbomb]

“and it isnt what he does as town”

[kgray]

##vote theflyingboat

partially gut, partially his current wagon is majorly towny (sorry snowy) and mostly his damo vote really bothers me - and he's ignoring me scumreading him for it, and I really liked Tom's point that maybe he's trying too hard to avoid being defensive.

Hey I was gonna do that!

But if you vote for him it won't be the towniest wagon, and plus I'll start doubting my read

[bozotheclown]

bozo I want to see your list please

And nobody can accuse you of spamming useless lists because I specifically asked you for it

If you are talking about a scum to town list, I do not have one yet, but it starts with lfischl.

[snowy801]

I think Tom is doing more than enough and tonally seems town to me. Pedestrian in this case would mean sitting on the sidelines watching the game, chiming in only now and then to muse about something jokey or totally pointless and then going back to doing nothing while the mob rips each other up

Perhaps I misunderstood you here. You imply that town!Tom is one of lurk and inactivity, but then observe that current!Tom is not in alignment with this behavior, and therefore you conclude that he is town?

Is it that you also believe scum!Tom behaves this way? In which case what makes this behavior alignment indicative?

I beleive scum tom from numerous experiences has gotten away with murder and has coasted in inactivity like a teacon type meta.

he isnt doing that here; that is my assessment


I beleive it is how he plays as scum. and therefore its just what he does as scum. and it isnt what he does as scum. behavioral patterns is what I am basing my logic on. I havent seen a high volume, charming, affable and vocal tom bombadil ever when he was mafia

Clear.

Perhaps you've mentioned it before, but where do you fall in TomB's assessment that TFB is playing scared?

[ghug]

##vote theflyingboat

partially gut, partially his current wagon is majorly towny (sorry snowy) and mostly his damo vote really bothers me - and he's ignoring me scumreading him for it, and I really liked Tom's point that maybe he's trying too hard to avoid being defensive.

Hey I was gonna do that!

But if you vote for him it won't be the towniest wagon, and plus I'll start doubting my read

Oh and then that'll make snowy unhappy by extension! ##VOTE the

[snowy801]

bozo I want to see your list please

And nobody can accuse you of spamming useless lists because I specifically asked you for it

If you are talking about a scum to town list, I do not have one yet, but it starts with lfischl.

Oh I guess I'll go read lfischl then brb

[snowy801]

My headspace isn't all that clear because I read like chunks of 10 pages all out of order

At some point I was reading the thread backwards (I really need to stop doing that)

[brainbomb]

in M69 when Tom Bombadil was scum he posted 29 times the entire game

[kgray]

Has anyone considered Fluminator as a scum read?

Yes

What came of it?

Not much. He's not going to be the kill today (and I don't want him to be anyway) so I've been mostly ignoring it for now

[snowy801]

in M69 when Tom Bombadil was scum he posted 29 times the entire game

Yes, I was rather displeased about this

[brainbomb]

Perhaps I misunderstood you here. You imply that town!Tom is one of lurk and inactivity, but then observe that current!Tom is not in alignment with this behavior, and therefore you conclude that he is town?

Is it that you also believe scum!Tom behaves this way? In which case what makes this behavior alignment indicative?

I beleive scum tom from numerous experiences has gotten away with murder and has coasted in inactivity like a teacon type meta.

he isnt doing that here; that is my assessment


I beleive it is how he plays as scum. and therefore its just what he does as scum. and it isnt what he does as scum. behavioral patterns is what I am basing my logic on. I havent seen a high volume, charming, affable and vocal tom bombadil ever when he was mafia

Clear.

Perhaps you've mentioned it before, but where do you fall in TomB's assessment that TFB is playing scared?

TFB isnt playing scared. he is just playing. I dont see fear in his posts or any anxiety. that is Toms interpretation which I think is mistaken

[kgray]

getting major major scumvibes from bozo choosing lfischl as his most likely scum candidate

[bozotheclown]

I could see Bonatogether and lfischl being on the same scum team, voting for each other for cat related reasons, but I am still more suspicious of lfischl. I think either one would be a better DK than captainmeme, whose chance of being scum I would estimate as 6/17.

I think bona looked fine, bozo (haven't read lfischl yet)

What's pinging you here, just the connection?

That, and it not like Bonatogether to leave his vote parked on a non-serious vote all of D1. It is not like lfischl to do that either, in the games where lfischl has been active D1.

[TheFlyingBoat]

##vote theflyingboat

partially gut, partially his current wagon is majorly towny (sorry snowy) and mostly his damo vote really bothers me - and he's ignoring me scumreading him for it, and I really liked Tom's point that maybe he's trying too hard to avoid being defensive.

When did you say you had a hard scum read on me? I was pretty sure all you said was yuck and then something to the effect of fine you made an explanation but it seems awfully convenient since he is the other person with momentum. The first one is a nothingburger and as for the second that's hardly a hard declaration of a scum read.

Anyways, there's two easy responses to that 1) I don't cast votes to save myself early in a day, especially when I don't think there's anything there to those who are scum reading me and generally call out people hard for doing that as seen in prior games when I railed on Sabi for doing that as they admitted they didn't have a scum read on the person they were voting for and did it as a momentum play. 2) The fact that I scum read damo and others did as well is easily explained by the confounding variable that at that point he seemed scummy.

[brainbomb]

M35 tom won the game in endgame and posted only 42 times in a game that went to day 7 and he was in the game the entire way to the end

[bozotheclown]

getting major major scumvibes from bozo choosing lfischl as his most likely scum candidate

Why is that?