M1020 — Speed Run Mafia GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[Jamiet99uk]

Ok, let's first assume bozo is scum. I am town, and I'm considering Sabi locktown. That leaves 2-3 scum among:

<some people>

If bozo's scum, my money'd be on a bozo/Jamie/darg team.

It is not relevant here, but I bussed Durga early once, but that was only because I was confident I would get DKed first (which I did).

Why are you posting about things which are not relevant?

[Jamiet99uk]

This is a potential slip with BesharamSabi knowing there are 4 mafia. I thought BesharamSabi trying to demonstrate they were scum reading me was town indicative, because as mafia they would know I would flip town, but if the mafia only need one more mis-kill, they would only want to make sure I was DKed first.

No, Bozo. This is either a wild conspiracy theory on your part or, worse, a deliberate misinterpretation of Sabi's words, bearing in mind the context of their previous queries about MyLo / LyLo.

This is an overreaction to me calling what BesharamSabi said a "potential slip", Jamie could easily be one of the scum players trying to set me up for a mis-kill.

No it isn't an over-reaction.

Why did your "potential slip" post totally fail to acknowledge that Sabi had been repeatedly asking if there was any way of working out whether there were 3 or 4 scum in the game? That context, which you omitted, has a very significant impact on how a rational person would interpret Sabi's remarks.

Did you miss those other posts from Sabi? Were you not reading the game very carefully? Or did you discount them for some other reason?

You're very unconvincing right now Bozo.

[Jamiet99uk]

After D1 I did not have any strong scum reads, now I am not sure on anyone being town. For some reason I get the feeling that scum think they can win today, which would mean there are 4 scum. My current theory is that ghug, damo, Jamie, and BesharamSabi are mafia.

This is a potential slip with Bozotheclown knowing there are 4 mafia.

[Jamiet99uk]

After D1 I did not have any strong scum reads, now I am not sure on anyone being town. For some reason I get the feeling that scum think they can win today, which would mean there are 4 scum. My current theory is that ghug, damo, Jamie, and BesharamSabi are mafia.

oh do you townread squigs now?

My current theory is that Squigs was just successfully pocketed by ghug, and I could see a team of ghug/damo/Jamie/BesharamSabi wanting to NK foodcoats N1 and come out D2 trying to get snowy DKed, knowing they could NK him N2 if they were not successful.

Given you previously had a strong scumread on Squigs and were voting for him, where did you present this significant change in your read on him, prior to DL asking you?

[Jamiet99uk]

My current theory is that Squigs was just successfully pocketed by ghug, and I could see a team of ghug/damo/Jamie/BesharamSabi wanting to NK foodcoats N1 and come out D2 trying to get snowy DKed, knowing they could NK him N2 if they were not successful.

You think three of the four members of the scumteam were voting snowy all day?

BesharamSabi did not vote until the last hour of D2, and Jamie and damo being so static with their votes seems scum indicative.

What is scum indicative about someone keeping their vote on their top scumread while that person is a viable wagon?

Enlighten me.

[Jamiet99uk]

After D1 I did not have any strong scum reads, now I am not sure on anyone being town. For some reason I get the feeling that scum think they can win today, which would mean there are 4 scum. My current theory is that ghug, damo, Jamie, and BesharamSabi are mafia.

If I were to suspend my townread of ghug momentarily, then I would say a scumteam of ghug, Sabi, and damo is plausible. I don't think Jamie fits into that team though

Why not? Jamie voting for snowy all D2 is atypical, and I know scum Jamie would prefer to take out snowy than me.

In what way is it "atypical" ??

[Jamiet99uk]

Why not? Jamie voting for snowy all D2 is atypical, and I know scum Jamie would prefer to take out snowy than me.

Mostly I don't think Jamie and ghug could be scummates based on a few interactions between them. But I also townread Jamie, although that townread is mostly based on recent vibes (Snowy certified!)

I don't remember Jamie doing anything significant this game except scum read me and snowy, so if he is town he is having a poor game.

I'm wounded.

[Jamiet99uk]

##Vote Bozotheclown

Every statement he makes is somehow weaker than the last.

[bozotheclown]

do you not think meta is a consideration here?

I wasn't in M70, so I'm not going to be able to assess that meta without rereading a whole mafia game which I'd rather not do

long story short: i caught bozo on exactly that meta, he claimed doc, the counterwagon cced, i was attacked but saved, bozo said he saved a different person, so we dked him. this is why i brought up his posts from last game, as the situation is not entirely dissimilar, imo

I do not see how you are comparing this game to that game, and besides, I thought your theory was that I was deliberately trying to play different than that game.

[bozotheclown]

Ok, let's first assume bozo is scum. I am town, and I'm considering Sabi locktown. That leaves 2-3 scum among:

<some people>

If bozo's scum, my money'd be on a bozo/Jamie/darg team.

It is not relevant here, but I bussed Durga early once, but that was only because I was confident I would get DKed first (which I did).

Why are you posting about things which are not relevant?

I was answering a question.

[damo666]

Catching up . About 18 hours behind.

[bozotheclown]

No, Bozo. This is either a wild conspiracy theory on your part or, worse, a deliberate misinterpretation of Sabi's words, bearing in mind the context of their previous queries about MyLo / LyLo.

This is an overreaction to me calling what BesharamSabi said a "potential slip", Jamie could easily be one of the scum players trying to set me up for a mis-kill.

No it isn't an over-reaction.

Why did your "potential slip" post totally fail to acknowledge that Sabi had been repeatedly asking if there was any way of working out whether there were 3 or 4 scum in the game? That context, which you omitted, has a very significant impact on how a rational person would interpret Sabi's remarks.

Did you miss those other posts from Sabi? Were you not reading the game very carefully? Or did you discount them for some other reason?

You're very unconvincing right now Bozo.

I know BesharamSabi had been questioning whether there were 3 or 4 mafia, which does not make it any less suspicious that they made that post sounding like they assumed there were 4 mafia. It is possible BesharamSabi was referring to the worse case scenario for town, but they did not explicitly state that.

[bozotheclown]

oh do you townread squigs now?

My current theory is that Squigs was just successfully pocketed by ghug, and I could see a team of ghug/damo/Jamie/BesharamSabi wanting to NK foodcoats N1 and come out D2 trying to get snowy DKed, knowing they could NK him N2 if they were not successful.

Given you previously had a strong scumread on Squigs and were voting for him, where did you present this significant change in your read on him, prior to DL asking you?

After D1 I did not have any strong scum reads, now I am not sure on anyone being town. For some reason I get the feeling that scum think they can win today, which would mean there are 4 scum. My current theory is that ghug, damo, Jamie, and BesharamSabi are mafia.

[bozotheclown]

You think three of the four members of the scumteam were voting snowy all day?

BesharamSabi did not vote until the last hour of D2, and Jamie and damo being so static with their votes seems scum indicative.

What is scum indicative about someone keeping their vote on their top scumread while that person is a viable wagon?

Enlighten me.

It is scum indicative because snowy should have been obviously town to anyone experienced in playing with him.

[bozotheclown]

Mostly I don't think Jamie and ghug could be scummates based on a few interactions between them. But I also townread Jamie, although that townread is mostly based on recent vibes (Snowy certified!)

I don't remember Jamie doing anything significant this game except scum read me and snowy, so if he is town he is having a poor game.

I'm wounded.

I do think you are having a good mafia game.

[damo666]

^ That is quite odd.

Damo?

Inconsistency and a poor memory I guess. I think the first time was because of it's timing. This wasn't apparent in the quote. Best I can do.

[damo666]

Reading damos iso, he's very... efficient.... in his posts. Hard to glimpse anything AI on damo, which makes me lean towards scum by PoE. Damo if you're town can you obvtown or something?

I am obviously town.

That ok?

[Jamiet99uk]

BesharamSabi did not vote until the last hour of D2, and Jamie and damo being so static with their votes seems scum indicative.

What is scum indicative about someone keeping their vote on their top scumread while that person is a viable wagon?

Enlighten me.

It is scum indicative because snowy should have been obviously town to anyone experienced in playing with him.

Bozo, 7 people voted for Snowy at EoD. Of those, only Sabi has limited experience of playing with Snowy before.

There aren't 6 scum in the game.

How does this affect your theory that Snowy was obvtown and any experienced players voting for him must be scum?

It doesn't stack up.

[Jamiet99uk]

I don't remember Jamie doing anything significant this game except scum read me and snowy, so if he is town he is having a poor game.

I'm wounded.

I do think you are having a good mafia game.

Vote for me then. I dare you.

[bozotheclown]

upon reread, not seeing a lot to townread worcej on this game (I don't know his meta). Voting explicitly for one townread (bo) to defend another townread (bona) at EOD1 is weird, and he doesn't push snowy especially hard given that the other two counterwagons are his townreads - this looks a little nonchalant for town. Specifically taking a lot of time to respond to sabi's "who would you save" question and then later calling the questions out as useless is inconsistent as well.

darg kinda just has been floating around posting things that are vaguely related to scumhunting so I feel okay voting for this slot until we get more engagement ##vote dargoyle

I tried to reread ghug's d1 but there's just so many words lmao

Great minds

Maybe snowy was right about DeathLlama also.