M1020 — Speed Run Mafia GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[DeathLlama8]

can someone explain why they townread darg

[Bonatogether]

What other option did I have? At that point you were the best chance of flipping scum, and even if you flipped town, there would be no difference in the town count if snowy or I had been the DK. If I were scum I could have just voted for snowy.

why did you do nothing about that at all beforehand, when there was a chance of getting wagons different from what we had?

I tried to address the reasons players gave for voting me, but my top suspects, ghug and Squigs, started the wagon on me, so there was only so much I could do.

why was town unconvinced by you, and convinced by them, in your view?

[DeathLlama8]

damo - Voted snowy all day yesterday, so little of interest there. Made bozo a lead wagon briefly day one. Bozo tried to make damo a wagon D2 and then used that scumread in part to justify the scumreads on me and Squiggles, only to turn around and conclude that damo wouldn't be scum with us. This doesn't seem like something he'd do with a teammate.

Why don't you think bozo would play that way with a teammate? He votes damo a few times D2 but doesn't try particularly hard to get it going, then gets rid of his read based on some pretty weak logic

[bozotheclown]

Ok, let's first assume bozo is scum. I am town, and I'm considering Sabi locktown. That leaves 2-3 scum among:

bona - Yesterday's tiebreak might look like a save, but between bozo trying to make that happen and the way the tiebreak actually went down, I highly doubt it was.

Squigs - Arguably bozo's biggest target all game, at least other than me. I don't think bozo's a big busser, especially D1 (I know bozo and I bussed someone together D1 once, but those were pretty extreme circumstances. bozo, are there any other examples of you bussing early?). Squigs was also key in making the bozo wagon relevant, only to jump off. Strongly doubt they're teammates.

damo - Voted snowy all day yesterday, so little of interest there. Made bozo a lead wagon briefly day one. Bozo tried to make damo a wagon D2 and then used that scumread in part to justify the scumreads on me and Squiggles, only to turn around and conclude that damo wouldn't be scum with us. This doesn't seem like something he'd do with a teammate.

DL - Put bozo in the lead over snowy yesterday. I don't think that makes much sense as a bus. He wasn't on early enough to get a ton of credit, and I think mafia would pretty strongly prefer a dead town snowy over a dead scum bozo. Plausible but unlikely.

Jamie - Jamie made bozo a lead wagon briefly D1 with the help of damo, and scumread him all of day 2. Jamie likes to bus bozo, and heaving someone as your second candidate while voting elsewhere is at least positive. Jamie likes to vote for bozo as town too, though. Plausible.

Darg - Only thing of note here is that darg's absence at EoD possibly affecting the wagons. If he's scum, we may have had as few as one other teammate around and able to protect. If that teammate was already voting for snowy (or bussing, really), it would explain a lack of movement to save bozo. Even with two teammates, we could say much the same thing. Darg mentioned bozo overnight, but mostly when talking about meta, not giving reads (which come to think of it is a fair critique of his play in general. Darg, please stake yourself to some opinions.)


If bozo's scum, my money'd be on a bozo/Jamie/darg team.

It is not relevant here, but I bussed Durga early once, but that was only because I was confident I would get DKed first (which I did).

[ghug]

can someone explain why they townread darg

I thought worcej was pretty townie once he showed up late D1, mostly before the incident that got him thrown out, but even the incident itself doesn't feel like the lurky, conflict-averse scum worcej I'm used to. I'm beginning to doubt the strength I gave to that read, though.

[bozotheclown]

damo - Voted snowy all day yesterday, so little of interest there. Made bozo a lead wagon briefly day one. Bozo tried to make damo a wagon D2 and then used that scumread in part to justify the scumreads on me and Squiggles, only to turn around and conclude that damo wouldn't be scum with us. This doesn't seem like something he'd do with a teammate.

Why don't you think bozo would play that way with a teammate? He votes damo a few times D2 but doesn't try particularly hard to get it going, then gets rid of his read based on some pretty weak logic

I never said I town read damo, only that he probably wasn't scum if both ghug and Squigs were scum. I think it is possible damo is scum with ghug, and
Squigs is just being pocketed by ghug.

[ghug]

damo - Voted snowy all day yesterday, so little of interest there. Made bozo a lead wagon briefly day one. Bozo tried to make damo a wagon D2 and then used that scumread in part to justify the scumreads on me and Squiggles, only to turn around and conclude that damo wouldn't be scum with us. This doesn't seem like something he'd do with a teammate.

Why don't you think bozo would play that way with a teammate? He votes damo a few times D2 but doesn't try particularly hard to get it going, then gets rid of his read based on some pretty weak logic

I don't see why you bother concocting that weak logic on a teammate. If you maintain there's a connection and then they flip, you can use it to reinforce the tunnel. Changing the read like that draws attention to your own connection with the teammate instead.

[bozotheclown]

why did you do nothing about that at all beforehand, when there was a chance of getting wagons different from what we had?

I tried to address the reasons players gave for voting me, but my top suspects, ghug and Squigs, started the wagon on me, so there was only so much I could do.

why was town unconvinced by you, and convinced by them, in your view?

I would like to blame it on the game starting 2 days early, but the truth is probably that ghug is a good scum player.

[Bonatogether]

I tried to address the reasons players gave for voting me, but my top suspects, ghug and Squigs, started the wagon on me, so there was only so much I could do.

why was town unconvinced by you, and convinced by them, in your view?

I would like to blame it on the game starting 2 days early, but the truth is probably that ghug is a good scum player.

what aspects of the townmembers specifically drew them to follow ghug over you?

[bozotheclown]

So we can't afford anymore miskills.

We, including myself in this, suck as town.

I'm sorry snowy but you were a pretty bad town and selfish strategy in day one cost the town the game. Never do that strategy aagain. Like what were you thinking there???

This is a potential slip with BesharamSabi knowing there are 4 mafia. I thought BesharamSabi trying to demonstrate they were scum reading me was town indicative, because as mafia they would know I would flip town, but if the mafia only need one more mis-kill, they would only want to make sure I was DKed first.

No, Bozo. This is either a wild conspiracy theory on your part or, worse, a deliberate misinterpretation of Sabi's words, bearing in mind the context of their previous queries about MyLo / LyLo.

This is an overreaction to me calling what BesharamSabi said a "potential slip", Jamie could easily be one of the scum players trying to set me up for a mis-kill.

[bozotheclown]

why was town unconvinced by you, and convinced by them, in your view?

I would like to blame it on the game starting 2 days early, but the truth is probably that ghug is a good scum player.

what aspects of the townmembers specifically drew them to follow ghug over you?

If you are town, you would be better positioned to answer this yourself.

[Bonatogether]

I would like to blame it on the game starting 2 days early, but the truth is probably that ghug is a good scum player.

what aspects of the townmembers specifically drew them to follow ghug over you?

If you are town, you would be better positioned to answer this yourself.

no, i want to hear what you think

[bozotheclown]

After D1 I did not have any strong scum reads, now I am not sure on anyone being town. For some reason I get the feeling that scum think they can win today, which would mean there are 4 scum. My current theory is that ghug, damo, Jamie, and BesharamSabi are mafia.

[DeathLlama8]

damo - Voted snowy all day yesterday, so little of interest there. Made bozo a lead wagon briefly day one. Bozo tried to make damo a wagon D2 and then used that scumread in part to justify the scumreads on me and Squiggles, only to turn around and conclude that damo wouldn't be scum with us. This doesn't seem like something he'd do with a teammate.

Why don't you think bozo would play that way with a teammate? He votes damo a few times D2 but doesn't try particularly hard to get it going, then gets rid of his read based on some pretty weak logic

I don't see why you bother concocting that weak logic on a teammate. If you maintain there's a connection and then they flip, you can use it to reinforce the tunnel. Changing the read like that draws attention to your own connection with the teammate instead.

In this hypothetical I think it could've just been keeping damo as an option while pushing someone else in a way that didn't seem hypocritical?

[DeathLlama8]

can someone explain why they townread darg

I thought worcej was pretty townie once he showed up late D1, mostly before the incident that got him thrown out, but even the incident itself doesn't feel like the lurky, conflict-averse scum worcej I'm used to. I'm beginning to doubt the strength I gave to that read, though.

I don't feel great townreading anyone for pulling that kind of shit tbh
Have you seen anything you liked from darg?

[DeathLlama8]

After D1 I did not have any strong scum reads, now I am not sure on anyone being town. For some reason I get the feeling that scum think they can win today, which would mean there are 4 scum. My current theory is that ghug, damo, Jamie, and BesharamSabi are mafia.

oh do you townread squigs now?

[bozotheclown]

what aspects of the townmembers specifically drew them to follow ghug over you?

If you are town, you would be better positioned to answer this yourself.

no, i want to hear what you think

Sometimes it is easier for mafia to tell people what they want to hear than for town to tell people what really think.

[DeathLlama8]

After D1 I did not have any strong scum reads, now I am not sure on anyone being town. For some reason I get the feeling that scum think they can win today, which would mean there are 4 scum. My current theory is that ghug, damo, Jamie, and BesharamSabi are mafia.

oh do you townread squigs now?

or like *not scumread squigs ig

i can't read

[bozotheclown]

After D1 I did not have any strong scum reads, now I am not sure on anyone being town. For some reason I get the feeling that scum think they can win today, which would mean there are 4 scum. My current theory is that ghug, damo, Jamie, and BesharamSabi are mafia.

oh do you townread squigs now?

My current theory is that Squigs was just successfully pocketed by ghug, and I could see a team of ghug/damo/Jamie/BesharamSabi wanting to NK foodcoats N1 and come out D2 trying to get snowy DKed, knowing they could NK him N2 if they were not successful.

[ghug]

can someone explain why they townread darg

I thought worcej was pretty townie once he showed up late D1, mostly before the incident that got him thrown out, but even the incident itself doesn't feel like the lurky, conflict-averse scum worcej I'm used to. I'm beginning to doubt the strength I gave to that read, though.

I don't feel great townreading anyone for pulling that kind of shit tbh
Have you seen anything you liked from darg?

No