M1020 — Speed Run Mafia GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[bozotheclown]

If Squigs is mafia, he is doing a good job of defending himself, but I think he is more than capable of doing that despite he self assessment of his play as mafia. However, it is apparent there is little interest in finding out his alignment today.

##VOTE damo

[bozotheclown]

you know what I don't think I'll have time to write essays anymore until a couple hours from now and I don't want to wait that long to get these out

why ghug is scum

- he had no scum reads most of d1
- says he finally got one on celaph but has he even mentioned it once?
- has no desire to push anyone even slightly and take the game in hand, entirely passive play (yeah he kept talking about bo_sox but when did he actually push that? bona was made by other hands than himself)
- he's completely detached the game, never seen such passive observer mode ghug. Useless ghug? Sure, but he always cared

some things that you should consider moving forward

- nobody scum reads ghug. Have you ever seen that happen? Consider the past games where everyone was up in his grill just because he's allegedly so hard to read
- why is he so okay with the state of this day if he's still trying to figure me out? He's happy about the game state

I'm going to have to reread DL to see why I scum read him so much, started near EoD with him going for bo for sure though

You are not voting for ghug though.

[snowy801]

you know what I don't think I'll have time to write essays anymore until a couple hours from now and I don't want to wait that long to get these out

why ghug is scum

- he had no scum reads most of d1
- says he finally got one on celaph but has he even mentioned it once?
- has no desire to push anyone even slightly and take the game in hand, entirely passive play (yeah he kept talking about bo_sox but when did he actually push that? bona was made by other hands than himself)
- he's completely detached the game, never seen such passive observer mode ghug. Useless ghug? Sure, but he always cared

some things that you should consider moving forward

- nobody scum reads ghug. Have you ever seen that happen? Consider the past games where everyone was up in his grill just because he's allegedly so hard to read
- why is he so okay with the state of this day if he's still trying to figure me out? He's happy about the game state

I'm going to have to reread DL to see why I scum read him so much, started near EoD with him going for bo for sure though

You are not voting for ghug though.

And from this you infer what?

[snowy801]

someone make my DL case for me because I really am busy

[bozotheclown]

you know what I don't think I'll have time to write essays anymore until a couple hours from now and I don't want to wait that long to get these out

why ghug is scum

- he had no scum reads most of d1
- says he finally got one on celaph but has he even mentioned it once?
- has no desire to push anyone even slightly and take the game in hand, entirely passive play (yeah he kept talking about bo_sox but when did he actually push that? bona was made by other hands than himself)
- he's completely detached the game, never seen such passive observer mode ghug. Useless ghug? Sure, but he always cared

some things that you should consider moving forward

- nobody scum reads ghug. Have you ever seen that happen? Consider the past games where everyone was up in his grill just because he's allegedly so hard to read
- why is he so okay with the state of this day if he's still trying to figure me out? He's happy about the game state

I'm going to have to reread DL to see why I scum read him so much, started near EoD with him going for bo for sure though

You are not voting for ghug though.

And from this you infer what?

That he is not likely to be a wagon today.

[snowy801]

You are not voting for ghug though.

And from this you infer what?

That he is not likely to be a wagon today.

I've pulled off stranger kills before

Only real obstacle is how widely people seem to scumread me and so I figured I'd tackle that first

[snowy801]

Alright I really must be off be back in an hour

[bozotheclown]

And from this you infer what?

That he is not likely to be a wagon today.

I've pulled off stranger kills before

Only real obstacle is how widely people seem to scumread me and so I figured I'd tackle that first

If DKing ghug today is your goal, voting for him would be a good start. I will make it easier for you.

##VOTE ghug

[snowy801]

That he is not likely to be a wagon today.

I've pulled off stranger kills before

Only real obstacle is how widely people seem to scumread me and so I figured I'd tackle that first

If DKing ghug today is your goal, voting for him would be a good start. I will make it easier for you.

##VOTE ghug

Unusually sporting of you but I'll take it

I'm fairly ok with a DL wagon too because I'm not quite as sure on that one but

##vote ghug

How do you feel about him voting for you, incidentally?

[President Eden]

zoom zoom

snowy (3): squigs, jamie, damo
ghug (2): bozo, snowy
bona (1): dargo
llama (1): bona
bozo (1): ghug
damo (1): llama

snowy dies in 04h08m

sabi and celaph gotta vote

[ghug]

Examining the quintet above I doubt snowy and Bona are a scumpair and I doubt Bona and DL are a scum pair so possible teams are:

Snow darg DL celaph
Snow Darg DL
Snow Darg celaph
Snow DL celaph
Darg Bona celaph
Darg DL celaph

Frequency count:

Snowy 4
Darg 5
DL 4
celaph 5
Bona 1

This feels like town damo.

[ghug]

you know what I don't think I'll have time to write essays anymore until a couple hours from now and I don't want to wait that long to get these out

why ghug is scum

- he had no scum reads most of d1
- says he finally got one on celaph but has he even mentioned it once?
- has no desire to push anyone even slightly and take the game in hand, entirely passive play (yeah he kept talking about bo_sox but when did he actually push that? bona was made by other hands than himself)
- he's completely detached the game, never seen such passive observer mode ghug. Useless ghug? Sure, but he always cared

some things that you should consider moving forward

- nobody scum reads ghug. Have you ever seen that happen? Consider the past games where everyone was up in his grill just because he's allegedly so hard to read
- why is he so okay with the state of this day if he's still trying to figure me out? He's happy about the game state

I'm going to have to reread DL to see why I scum read him so much, started near EoD with him going for bo for sure though

-I had no strong scumreads D1 last game either. Just kinda YOLOed Kak and then ended up fortunate that he claimed my role. Scum aren't making themselves obvious here, as is evidenced by your major scumread being town.
-I talked about the celaph read when it was my strongest scumread, and I talked about it waning overnight.
-Believe it or not, I actually like seeing what wagons others are pushing, especially when I'm not totally sold on a scumread.
-I'm not detached.
-Nobody scumreads me is your best point, although you and bozo are not nobody.
-I'm not ok with the state of the day. I don't particularly like how you've been in the lead with little movement for so long, and I don't like that there isn't a good counterwagon yet.

[Jamiet99uk]

I do find it laughable that Jamiet has the temerity to claim that he thinks my play is deserving of death even if I am town because I haven't not done anything, you just don't like what I was doing

Falsehood: I never said you "haven't not done anything" (nice double negative btw). I said what you'd done was awfully scummy, not that you didn't do anything.

So on part, understandable, because acting scummy -> this guy is scum is the intended message I intended to get across, but like come on guys.

If you act scummy on purpose you might get scumread. Surprise!

You have stated that I was being useless D1 more than once. I understand you ever move goalposts in your head to deny your own incapacity, but this is a little much

Doing a lot of crap things =/= not doing anything.

[ghug]

The lack of appetite for bozo is weird. Have people liked his day?

##VOTE bona

[Jamiet99uk]

But like, and I would have hoped that this is obvious, if I really am scum why would I go out of my way to do this? Just to be able to say "too scummy to be scum?" Not a brilliant strategy is it. And if my goal was to be elusive about my reads to allow ambiguity to disconnect me from blame on my alleged miskill pushes, why wouldn't I go ahead and actually disconnect from my reads instead of just refusing to talk about it?

Is it too much to expect even the slightest two step thought process regarding how you go about scum reads? I mean apparently, but I don't really believe that this is beyond your capacity, you just need a guiding hand. If I wanted to lurk I would've actually done so instead of hanging around being obnoxious all day. In my own way that was my inciting actionable behavior under the constraints I was putting myself until the end of the day that I saw to be an unconscionably lazy and pathetic effort rise to the top.

If you cannot model an underlying motive for me to act this way and just think that everything I know about what behavior people find scummy flew straight out of my head and I was just being the most transparent scum on the planet then I will not accept blame for unnecessarily muddying the playing field

Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game (for the town majority) is to perform a detailed psychological assessment on Snowy and therefore arrive at a diagnosis which reveals the true underlying motivations of his apparently malign activities. The game is typically very active, and Snowy's arrogance knows few if any bounds, so the thread will get annoying quickly. However, it is essential to humour the demands of Snowy's vast ego, to play the game.

And I know you've never understood how to play mafia but like, there's no need to advertise it so hard. Mafia is about figuring out what people are doing and why, and you've never shown that capacity in any meaningful sense.

If you are Town, why do you see it as your job to make the puzzle harder for the rest of town?

[Jamiet99uk]

##VOTE Squigs

Beside the foodcoats NK, having the same POE (containing what I suspect to be primarily town) as ghug is suspicious.

Wait a minute.

Squigs posted his list first, didn't he?

How is Squigs guilty on the basis that Ghug subsequently posted a similar list? Are you suggesting they chatted in the QT and agreed to post matching reads? That seems very unlikely Bozo.

I went into this already in a later post. It is not just that their lists are similar, it is the players on their lists.

Surely that is the basis of the similarity, no?

[Bonatogether]

I think this is scum bozo that has learned that we've got his meta. It's a smart observation (perhaps one that only bozo would pick up on) but the case does not demonstrate that the occurrence is more likely explained by scum!ghug or why scum!ghug would do that

I do not think ghug would deliberately make a similar post as Squigs if they are both mafia, but it could be the inadvertent result of plans they made N1.

Look at the players they scum read: you, me, snowy, damo, and celaph (ghug threw in Jamie as well). You ended D1 voting for snowy, I ended D1 voting for celaph, celaph was voting for you until switching to bo_sox in the last minute, damo ended D1 voting for you, snowy voted for you and damo during D1 (among others), and Jamie ended D1 voting for snowy. It would not be unreasonable for them to think they could keep the votes within this group and protect themselves. Also, they are both ignoring the bussing that would be required for all the mafia to come from this group.

You can look at this another way. You, me, snowy, celaph, and Squigs were all lead wagons or tied for lead wagon at some point in the last 10 hours of D1, so the scum suspects ghug and Squigs independently came up with were primarily those that had the most suspicion on them coming into D2 (excluding Squigs).

Why does scum!ghug choose this way of doing things over all the rest, like creating an independent scumlist to focus on?

[Bonatogether]

Squigs you got like 3 minutes before I bail to actually say something

Who do you think you are, TFB?

don't ruin boat man's good name

[ghug]

Wait a minute.

Squigs posted his list first, didn't he?

How is Squigs guilty on the basis that Ghug subsequently posted a similar list? Are you suggesting they chatted in the QT and agreed to post matching reads? That seems very unlikely Bozo.

I went into this already in a later post. It is not just that their lists are similar, it is the players on their lists.

Surely that is the basis of the similarity, no?

I think he's saying he finds the content of the list suspicious independent of the similarity.

[BesharamSabi]

zoom zoom

snowy (3): squigs, jamie, damo
ghug (2): bozo, snowy
bona (1): dargo
llama (1): bona
bozo (1): ghug
damo (1): llama

snowy dies in 04h08m

sabi and celaph gotta vote

No you vote.

Someone sell me on snowy vs ghug vs damo wagons.

Go go go