M1020 — Speed Run Mafia GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[BesharamSabi]

Hi I guess it's safe for me to be back? I needed to step away from the game for a bit but I'm fine now. I need to catch up on all the posts so give me a second.

Rest in peace bo, we barely knew you. So we have 1-2 miskills left so that spooky for us. I have no idea why yall overkilled bo like that and didn't go for snowy or Bona instead?

Anyway hi dargo, welcome to the game. I will be sending questions your way whenever I catch up.

[ghug]

I see what looks like some tie preventions... strange that it ended up SO overkill on bo. Later unnecessary votes are unlikely to be scum, right?

Pile on votes are not very alignment indicative.

probs... but i am not sure they were pile on. They might have been tie prevention, yes?

Looking back, yes. But I don't see any reason why that couldn't have been food, celaph, or DL trying to save Bona, or just scum voting late to look like they were trying to break a tie/hoping they'd crosspost with someone also moving to break a tie and in fact cause a tie.

[dargorygel]

Pile on votes are not very alignment indicative.

probs... but i am not sure they were pile on. They might have been tie prevention, yes?

Looking back, yes. But I don't see any reason why that couldn't have been food, celaph, or DL trying to save Bona, or just scum voting late to look like they were trying to break a tie/hoping they'd crosspost with someone also moving to break a tie and in fact cause a tie.

I guess you are right. At this point, too many moving pieces. (especially because the tie breaking could have been among all townies... so for scum it didn't really matter.)

[BesharamSabi]

Sabi have you given your thoughts on Bona or the wagon there. I feel like you weigh in on everything, but I'm having a hard time finding your thoughts on Bona

I said many times that this Bona is like normal Bona that is outside of games. He's barely on discord due to being swamped with school. I realize this is outside of mafia info. Could he still be playing mafia regardless of how swamped he is at school, sure that is plausible and he's just using the school workload as an excuse to note engage in this game.

I also straight up have trouble reading him because to me he just reactionary teen who is impulsive.

Okay I do remember you commenting on his availability, but I was looking more for your thoughts on the quality of his posts/reads/votes. When he is here, what do you see?

He doesn't seem as committed as he usually is but like I said that could be due to his school work.

I have never seen scum Bona. He hasn't seemed that committed to scum hunting. I'm hoping this weekend he starts scum hunting or I fear we should hammer him at that point. Sorry if that's a controversial take but that's my thought so far. Maybe after I catch up my take will change.

So here's my questions for you in regards to bona:

Did you thoughts and opinions on Bona change during EOD? What caused the change for you if you did change? Why do you think the Bona wagon died?

[BesharamSabi]

Like I said I am waiting for snowy to explain his thought process before I vote for him.

Do you think this is going to happen?

Snowy also asked this.

I would hope so he would explain his reads and thoughts for this game but if he doesn't during day 2 I don't mine wagoning him. This applies to others who have been avoiding questions (ghug and bozo and damo).

Do you think this is going to happen? What are you thoughts if he doesn't do it during day 2?

[ghug]

Like I said I am waiting for snowy to explain his thought process before I vote for him.

Do you think this is going to happen?

Snowy also asked this.

I would hope so he would explain his reads and thoughts for this game but if he doesn't during day 2 I don't mine wagoning him. This applies to others who have been avoiding questions (ghug and bozo and damo).

Do you think this is going to happen? What are you thoughts if he doesn't do it during day 2?

What question have I not answered?

[BesharamSabi]

So how does everyone feel about bo socks?

Has anyone analyzed the responses to this compared to the voters. I think Bona was doing the vca so can you add the responses to this to the vca?

Anyway I didn't think bo was giving scum vibes. He was useless but wasn't scummy about it. Regardless my opinion doesn't matter since he flipped town.

So what info can we gain from bo flipping town or was this a useless day kill on our part?

[Bonatogether]

So how does everyone feel about bo socks?

Has anyone analyzed the responses to this compared to the voters. I think Bona was doing the vca so can you add the responses to this to the vca?

Anyway I didn't think bo was giving scum vibes. He was useless but wasn't scummy about it. Regardless my opinion doesn't matter since he flipped town.

So what info can we gain from bo flipping town or was this a useless day kill on our part?

it's better if more people do vca, and don't wait for me, since i'm probably going to be posting mine at like, 4:40 or 5 tomorrow

[BesharamSabi]

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Bona whenever you find this post, what posts of Squigs is giving you bad vibes?

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Celaph looks comfy. I don't know them, but leaning town so far

I have no history with Bona. I have reasons for voting Bona I just didn't include them. I like to be mysterious like that

Here's another reactionary post DL. It's Bona interjecting himself into conversations that call him scummy like this that feels so defensive.

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The whole crosspost thing again felt like a desperate way to discredit me instead of a well thought out idea. If you truly thought I was purposefully posting after seeing ghugs post I think you would have approached it differently.

sqoogs keeps repeating that i'm reactionary despite people telling him this is meta and i'm playing standard

ah, my sole goal this game: to discredit a guy i've never played on here with

Just bringing this post up in case it got missed during EOD. These posts are sus, you're right. I need to reread Squigs tonight if I can. Well actually tomorrow because I started drinking tonight.

Oh now you know what the word reactionary means but not when I said it.

Also that's a weird goal to have.

Anyway thank you for this post. Will analyze later.

[BesharamSabi]

New wagon preference out of available wagons:
Bona
Celaph
Bo
Worcej
Snowy
Ghug

Can you explain person by person why you prefer each of these wagons whenever you get the chance? Well besides Bona because we have heard that explanation over and over again.

Compare this list to how your views changed during end of day?

Anyway much appreciated.

[BesharamSabi]

Bona Sabi DL scumteam???

Damn that would be a fun scum team.

Did you pick this scum team because they said that killing me was pointless?

Damo I dunno how to explain to you but just you are so far in this game now that have any sort of scum vibes from me. Why are you tunneling in on me so much? Like you went from scum to town to scum vibes for me?can you point our incidents or post that trigger this besides vibes? I want something concrete from you.

[Squigs44]

I said many times that this Bona is like normal Bona that is outside of games. He's barely on discord due to being swamped with school. I realize this is outside of mafia info. Could he still be playing mafia regardless of how swamped he is at school, sure that is plausible and he's just using the school workload as an excuse to note engage in this game.

I also straight up have trouble reading him because to me he just reactionary teen who is impulsive.

Okay I do remember you commenting on his availability, but I was looking more for your thoughts on the quality of his posts/reads/votes. When he is here, what do you see?

He doesn't seem as committed as he usually is but like I said that could be due to his school work.

I have never seen scum Bona. He hasn't seemed that committed to scum hunting. I'm hoping this weekend he starts scum hunting or I fear we should hammer him at that point. Sorry if that's a controversial take but that's my thought so far. Maybe after I catch up my take will change.

So here's my questions for you in regards to bona:

Did you thoughts and opinions on Bona change during EOD? What caused the change for you if you did change? Why do you think the Bona wagon died?

In short, not really, but I'd like to get some space from this clash Bona and I have had for a bit so I'm not gonna go deeper than that for now.

The Bona wagon died when the Bo wagon picked up. Lots of overlap between the voters there. It could be that Bona is scum with one or more of ghug/snowy/DL but it's more likely that they decided Bona would be more useful to us if town than Bo.

[Squigs44]

New wagon preference out of available wagons:
Bona
Celaph
Bo
Worcej
Snowy
Ghug

Can you explain person by person why you prefer each of these wagons whenever you get the chance? Well besides Bona because we have heard that explanation over and over again.

Compare this list to how your views changed during end of day?

Anyway much appreciated.

I gave reasons for Bona and Celaph when I voted them, so you should already know those. My view on Celaph did get better as we progressed through EoD, but I need a reread there.

Bo didn't do anything explicitly scummy but he wasnt giving off town vibes either. His EoD was weird cause he built a case on me that seemed genuine, but when I brought up a response, he responded by saying my response was "fair and accurate". I would expect him to either continue to push me or move on, but he simply disappeared at that point and was gone for the 5 hours before EoD. Mostly I was fine with him being eliminated because I don't think he's an asset for town and usually is only worth keeping when he obvtowns, which he didn't.

Worcej had some weird out of left field ideas, but his game got stronger as EoD progressed and he participated more. Nothing that gave me a strong town lean, but my main concern on him originally was the lack of engagement, so obviously as EoD progressed that got addressed.

Snowy and ghug are both difficult for me to read and I think more useful to town than most of the other wagons if town so thats why they were my last pick. I've found myself agreeing with a lot of ghugs posts though, and usually a mind meld like that means the same alignment, but you never know with ghug.

[ghug]

Okay I do remember you commenting on his availability, but I was looking more for your thoughts on the quality of his posts/reads/votes. When he is here, what do you see?

He doesn't seem as committed as he usually is but like I said that could be due to his school work.

I have never seen scum Bona. He hasn't seemed that committed to scum hunting. I'm hoping this weekend he starts scum hunting or I fear we should hammer him at that point. Sorry if that's a controversial take but that's my thought so far. Maybe after I catch up my take will change.

So here's my questions for you in regards to bona:

Did you thoughts and opinions on Bona change during EOD? What caused the change for you if you did change? Why do you think the Bona wagon died?

In short, not really, but I'd like to get some space from this clash Bona and I have had for a bit so I'm not gonna go deeper than that for now.

The Bona wagon died when the Bo wagon picked up. Lots of overlap between the voters there. It could be that Bona is scum with one or more of ghug/snowy/DL but it's more likely that they decided Bona would be more useful to us if town than Bo.

What makes you think that specifically is the reasoning?

[Squigs44]

He doesn't seem as committed as he usually is but like I said that could be due to his school work.

I have never seen scum Bona. He hasn't seemed that committed to scum hunting. I'm hoping this weekend he starts scum hunting or I fear we should hammer him at that point. Sorry if that's a controversial take but that's my thought so far. Maybe after I catch up my take will change.

So here's my questions for you in regards to bona:

Did you thoughts and opinions on Bona change during EOD? What caused the change for you if you did change? Why do you think the Bona wagon died?

In short, not really, but I'd like to get some space from this clash Bona and I have had for a bit so I'm not gonna go deeper than that for now.

The Bona wagon died when the Bo wagon picked up. Lots of overlap between the voters there. It could be that Bona is scum with one or more of ghug/snowy/DL but it's more likely that they decided Bona would be more useful to us if town than Bo.

What makes you think that specifically is the reasoning?

An early game post on Bo:

we could hammer bo right now as a welcome back gift

I'm sure he'll love it

i want to play with the bo sox

he got subbed out of my first game and i've heard he's interesting to play with

He's not he's the worst

Versus an early game post on Bona:

Alright now let's take a look at who's in this game

only like half of m1019

are bona/celaph/bozo/worcej/squigs/foodcoats good

Celaph's great. Squigs is sorta like you in having not been around in forever, so TBD but with promise. bona/bozo/food all have their moments.

Or this:

it's literally called speedrun mafia. we could hammer someone rn

Now let's get Bona out of here

##end

Bo first

Just looking at these early game posts shows that the "Bo is the worst" meme is still going strong, and that meme is built off of a sliver of truth - that Bo isn't the easiest to work with in this game.

Looking at EoD posts, snowy and yourself said at some point that the wagons were pretty much equivalent, so this reason makes the most sense to me given the context

[ghug]

In short, not really, but I'd like to get some space from this clash Bona and I have had for a bit so I'm not gonna go deeper than that for now.

The Bona wagon died when the Bo wagon picked up. Lots of overlap between the voters there. It could be that Bona is scum with one or more of ghug/snowy/DL but it's more likely that they decided Bona would be more useful to us if town than Bo.

What makes you think that specifically is the reasoning?

An early game post on Bo:

i want to play with the bo sox

he got subbed out of my first game and i've heard he's interesting to play with

He's not he's the worst

Versus an early game post on Bona:

only like half of m1019

are bona/celaph/bozo/worcej/squigs/foodcoats good

Celaph's great. Squigs is sorta like you in having not been around in forever, so TBD but with promise. bona/bozo/food all have their mts.

Or this:

Now let's get Bona out of here

##end

Bo first

Just looking at these early game posts shows that the "Bo is the worst" meme is still going strong, and that meme is built off of a sliver of truth - that Bo isn't the easiest to work with in this game.

Looking at EoD posts, snowy and yourself said at some point that the wagons were pretty much equivalent, so this reason makes the most sense to me given the context

The sliver of truth is that bo is a shitty human being. I do think Bona's more useful as town than bo, and I likely would have voted that way had it come down to it, but I voted for the bo wagon because it was viable and very nearly switched back to bona to break the tie. The motives you need to be looking at are Llama's, and I don't see any suggestion that he shares my evaluation of bo.

[bozotheclown]

Sorry I did not make it back for EOD.

I think Bonatogether vs. Squigs and BesharamSabi vs. worcej were both likely town vs. town. If this is correct, the mafia (probably 3) are in celaph, damo, DeathLlama, foodcoats, ghug, Jamie, and snowy.

DeathLlama's D1 looks good, I would be surprised if he is mafia. celaph's D1 looks good to me also (despite what I said about his early posts).

damo's vote for Bonatogether at EOD did not make much sense. I did not like ghug's reads. foodcoats had some questionable votes. snowy might have been the only mafia at risk at EOD, which could explain some of the vote movements. Jamie could have been bussing snowy.

My top scum suspects, in order, are:
1. damo
2. ghug
3. foodcoats
4. snowy
5. Jamie

[Jamiet99uk]

So how does everyone feel about bo socks?

Has anyone analyzed the responses to this compared to the voters. I think Bona was doing the vca so can you add the responses to this to the vca?

Anyway I didn't think bo was giving scum vibes. He was useless but wasn't scummy about it. Regardless my opinion doesn't matter since he flipped town.

So what info can we gain from bo flipping town or was this a useless day kill on our part?

The main conclusion I draw from the wagon on Bo is that I was right about Snowy. He objected to a Bo wagon and then a few pages later was the one helping to create and push one.

[damo666]

Bona Sabi DL scumteam???

Damn that would be a fun scum team.

Did you pick this scum team because they said that killing me was pointless?

Damo I dunno how to explain to you but just you are so far in this game now that have any sort of scum vibes from me. Why are you tunneling in on me so much? Like you went from scum to town to scum vibes for me?can you point our incidents or post that trigger this besides vibes? I want something concrete from you.

1. Yes that is why I picked the team.

I don't understand first sentence of next para.

I dont think I'm tunnelling on you. You are being very verbose, questioning and emphasising meta change. My auto reaction to this was scum pretence but then wasn't so sure. Worcej's observation about noob PR/scum excitabilty pushed me back to my original thinking.

[damo666]

Like I said I am waiting for snowy to explain his thought process before I vote for him.

Do you think this is going to happen?

Snowy also asked this.

I would hope so he would explain his reads and thoughts for this game but if he doesn't during day 2 I don't mine wagoning him. This applies to others who have been avoiding questions (ghug and bozo and damo).

Do you think this is going to happen? What are you thoughts if he doesn't do it during day 2?

What questions have I avoided?