M1020 — Speed Run Mafia GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[Squigs44]

Looking at your iso you later given the quote below with regards to the justification for your original list. Has your perception of me (or anyone on your list for that matter) changed since you made the list? If so, why are you voting for me? And if not, why did you qualify your later post by saying that "at the time I posted".

What's the point of the post? It's like one big leading question begging bozo to change his mind and unvote

It's more one big post begging him to explain his reasoning behind his vote. I can live with being voted for, it's more annoying when I don't know why.

For example, you've given your reasons as to why you think that I am scummy and while I know that you are wrong, I can also look at your comments on my play and note that there is some truth to them which is part of the reason I'm buddyi... errr townreading you.

What parts of my reads are true?

[celaph]

Celaph if you don't plan on scumreading anyone day 1, how do you decide who to vote? The person you townread the least?

There will obviously be other factors in play (I'm not going to leave my vote on a vanity wagon), but in general yes. I have reasons that make me hesitant to vote for each player and its not all towniness (I'm hesitant to vote on bozo because of how little info his flip would give).

The people I'm most tempted to vote for at the moment: Snowy, Worcej, Food, and Bona. Snowy for the reasons I touched on earlier, worcej mostly for activity. Food and Bona both fall under a similar category of people who have talked a lot, but haven't said much. I still like food's comment that I called out earlier, but it's still my favorite thing about his play. Bona gives me comfy vibes, but not solvy vibes.

Last paragraph there feels kinda forced ngl.

[celaph]

Useless town candidate: Snowy. I think snowy is probably more likely town based on the abstract play, but it's so enigmatic and elusive that it's not good for town

Can you say more about why you see Snowy as town? The best argument I have is that I wouldn't suspect scum players to be so willing to not explain themselves. Is that what you mean by 'abstract'?

Beyond that he strikes me as active, but not productive.

Snowy is deflecting with questions, but those questions seem to generate more info rather than detract or stop the conversation. I think there are better ways of playing, but I think scum would be more disruptive and distracting if they're going to deflect with questions.

Do you have examples that you particularly like? I found one example of him deflecting with a question:

You don't want to know what I disagree about first? Kinda weird, Sabi

And I agree that he has asked some questions that have furthered conversation to some degree:

Did you succeed in any meaningful manner?

Sabi did you thereby conclude anything while writing your long post?

But even then those posts didn't feel like they contributed substantially. And there are a couple of points on which he has just avoided answering in a way that hasn't led to more discussion. I suppose the fact that I'm am talking about it now in some way is self-defeating, but he hasn't elaborated on either of the points you brought up earlier against him earlier. Is his comment below not stopping the conversation?

But you'll have to excuse me as I'm avoiding certain types of questions

[celaph]

Anyone wanna hammer bo right now?

Why Bo? His catch-up feels towny to me.

Weird. Bo just seems drunk to me. What gives you town vibes?

He seemed to pick through the 20 pages of muck and commented on a number of things that I think were valuable to have comments on without many posts that felt like he was posting just to seem active.

[celaph]

What's the point of the post? It's like one big leading question begging bozo to change his mind and unvote

It's more one big post begging him to explain his reasoning behind his vote. I can live with being voted for, it's more annoying when I don't know why.

For example, you've given your reasons as to why you think that I am scummy and while I know that you are wrong, I can also look at your comments on my play and note that there is some truth to them which is part of the reason I'm buddyi... errr townreading you.

What parts of my reads are true?

Obviously:

Celaph looks comfy. I don't know them, but leaning town so far

More to your point, I didn't hate your early comments about buddying. I know they were overcompensating, but I suspect that my read on you was slightly biased by your earlier read. I would not be surprised if my posting style since then has changed because you calling me out on it made me far more conscious of positive comments I was making towards you.

I also know that my play has been trending more reactionary the longer that I've played (read M62 if you want to see a really different look at me) and so your comment that it feels like I've just been chiming in rung true.

[snowy801]

Looking at your iso you later given the quote below with regards to the justification for your original list. Has your perception of me (or anyone on your list for that matter) changed since you made the list? If so, why are you voting for me? And if not, why did you qualify your later post by saying that "at the time I posted".

What's the point of the post? It's like one big leading question begging bozo to change his mind and unvote

It's more one big post begging him to explain his reasoning behind his vote. I can live with being voted for, it's more annoying when I don't know why.

For example, you've given your reasons as to why you think that I am scummy and while I know that you are wrong, I can also look at your comments on my play and note that there is some truth to them which is part of the reason I'm buddyi... errr townreading you.

Do you not believe that Squigs is scum?

[DeathLlama8]

I did decide to go ahead and read Bo's iso and it looks like he has made more meaningful posts since. Obviously can't put it in context until I catch up, but nothing feels off so I'd be inclined to keep him around.

What did you like about bo's posts? It looks to me that he just quoted a bunch of stuff and then said "[player name] good", which could plausibly be faked to appear active

Need damo to also do the same.

damo did at least work through all his possible daykill targets in a post. What did you make of that?

[DeathLlama8]

celaph, is there a reason you're still withholding your vote? You apparently have a pool of four candidates and we're already 3/4 of the way through d1

[DeathLlama8]

Celaph, I wanted to see a competitive wagon with yours and one other thing for later.

this is kinda weird given where in the day we were. What were you hoping to get out of this / what have you gotten out of bozo and squigs staying on the wagon?

[celaph]

What's the point of the post? It's like one big leading question begging bozo to change his mind and unvote

It's more one big post begging him to explain his reasoning behind his vote. I can live with being voted for, it's more annoying when I don't know why.

For example, you've given your reasons as to why you think that I am scummy and while I know that you are wrong, I can also look at your comments on my play and note that there is some truth to them which is part of the reason I'm buddyi... errr townreading you.

Do you not believe that Squigs is scum?

What have I written that made you think I scumread Squigs? No, I townlean them.

[DeathLlama8]

@sabi - were there any specific interactions you were thinking about that could've been SvS when you asked that?

No, I was genuinely wondering since in Eden post about how role pms look like it seems like scum didn't know who their teammates were till quick topic. Maybe it was just obvious to everyone else and I took what he said an example on looks like at face value.

Look at the reactions to my question, there was no s vs s stuff just is Sabi faking/being real about their townslip. After 2.2 games with me you guys should realize I can't play 4D chess by fake townslipping. I'm still the dumb Sabi but just more engaged and annoying with questions and lots of posts.

tbc, I was wondering if the knowledge that mafia know their teammates changes how you view any interactions that have happened (e.g. what interactions could've been between two scum teammates?) I think I buy the second point though

[DeathLlama8]

hi celaph
anything you want to talk about?

[celaph]

I did decide to go ahead and read Bo's iso and it looks like he has made more meaningful posts since. Obviously can't put it in context until I catch up, but nothing feels off so I'd be inclined to keep him around.

What did you like about bo's posts? It looks to me that he just quoted a bunch of stuff and then said "[player name] good", which could plausibly be faked to appear active

I commented on it earlier, but his selection in posts to respond to was good and aligns with things I see as important. He doesn't just call Sabi good because their posts are easy to see. He both emphasizes the strength of that particular later in a comment to ghug and comments on things that I think are equally interesting, but less obvious. Like why Snowy is not answering questions on some of his questionable previous comments. His only comment on the snowy non-crosspost highlights how uninteresting he found the initial event and how he is focused more about how people are reacting around it.

[celaph]

celaph, is there a reason you're still withholding your vote? You apparently have a pool of four candidates and we're already 3/4 of the way through d1

A mixture of uncertainty with who to vote for and a belief that early voting is not particularly impactful. But I see that you want some marker to form conversations around so ##vote Snowy.

At the moment I think I'd slightly prefer killing Worcej (though Snowy is 2nd), but this will probably generate more conversation.

[celaph]

hi celaph
anything you want to talk about?

Do you have any comments on Worcej or Snowy?

[celaph]

Also, what do you make of the fact that your push on damo seems to have gathered little interest?

[DeathLlama8]

- I want to reserve judgment on worcej until they come back and catch up. Their posting in the first half of D1 was pretty light, although I found it a little weird how in-depth they went specifically to respond to sabi's "who would you save n1" question
- not really sure how to read snowy right now (having trouble getting signal from high posters like snowy/ghug/bona in general). They mentioned last game that they like deliberately drawing attention as a daykill D1, so I could view a lot of the deflections as town trying to be unhelpful or mafia trying to be unhelpful
- I don't think it's alignment-indicative for damo given how many people have said they view it as NAI. I might just be behind on the meta (although I didn't see anything like this in his town M69 when I was looking for the post snowy remembered)

[DeathLlama8]

people could also just be lazy wrt that damo post and dismissing the weirdness of the thought process because it's damo. I'd like to see him interact more tomorrow

[Jamiet99uk]

your impression of damo is that he makes short posts, and also long posts?

You're beginning to waste my time. If it wasn't the long post that you felt was "forced", which post was it?

We agree that I referred to the long post as forced. You suggested that your meta read of damo is someone who makes lots of short posts early on - in that case, why is the longer post he made also in character?

You are being too extreme in your interpretation. Saying "Damo usually makes short posts D1" does not equal "Damo never makes a long post as scum D1". There was only one long post, all the rest of Damo's participation has seemed standard D1 Damo. The long post did not seem scummy or "forced" to me at all.

[Jamiet99uk]

I am feeling sick today but will participate as much as I can.