M71: Consensus Mafia [signups]

[ghug]

GMs
-1. Chaqa
0. President Eden

Players
1. Build Os Number Alpha (Bona)
2. Generic Human Unit GHUG (ghug)
3. Java-Augmented Machine-Integrated Engine (Jamie)
4. Diskette-Accessible Memory Object (Damo)
5. Rapid Data Retriever Intelligence version A.2.0.05 (rdrivera2005)
6. BASIC Output Access To Mainframe and Neuralinked entities (Boatman/TheFlyingBoat)
7. Server Nodule Operating Webchat Yibble (Snowy)
8. SQL Query Utilizing Injections Generates Sentience v44 (Squigs44)
9. Computer Espousing Lies by AI to Pass as Human (celaph)
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Substitutes
1.Tremendously Engineered Machinery Abiding Societal Expectations Knowingly 2.2 (Temasek22)
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3. Weird Optimum Rightfully Certified Enforcement Junction (worcej)

[Squigs44]

From a balance perspective, the thing I'm most concerned about is that roles are being revealed. The unlimited shot vig is basically a second lynch each day except that instead of 5 mafia votes to sway the target, it's the vote switcher and target swapper to keep it in check. As town I would be hesitant to use the vig on an obvious target because of the swapper, so that works as a good balance. However, if swapper is lynched day 1 and that role is revealed, the vig becomes extremely OP.
Same with the vote manipulators. If we know the cop or vest manipulator is gone, it's a whole lot easier to game the system into getting info. I think from a balance perspective keeping at least mafia roles obscured on flip could keep some of those checks and balances intact enough to prevent the game from being broken by mechanics.

Not gonna claim I know how to perfectly balance a game, but something to consider as you tinker with the setup

[snowy801]

I gave Chaqa and Eden the perfect setup and they turned it into this quagmire of controversy smh

[Jamiet99uk]

I tend to agree that this setup has become quite complicated and odd.

[BesharamSabi]

GMs
-1. Chaqa
0. President Eden

Players
1. Build Os Number Alpha (Bona)
2. Generic Human Unit GHUG (ghug)
3. Java-Augmented Machine-Integrated Engine (Jamie)
4. Diskette-Accessible Memory Object (Damo)
5. Rapid Data Retriever Intelligence version A.2.0.05 (rdrivera2005)
6. BASIC Output Access To Mainframe and Neuralinked entities (Boatman/TheFlyingBoat)
7. Server Nodule Operating Webchat Yibble (Snowy)
8. SQL Query Utilizing Injections Generates Sentience v44 (Squigs44)
9. Computer Espousing Lies by AI to Pass as Human (celaph)
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Substitutes
1.Tremendously Engineered Machinery Abiding Societal Expectations Knowingly 2.2 (Temasek22)
2. Strategic Arrangement Beta Instrument (Sabi)
3. Weird Optimum Rightfully Certified Enforcement Junction (worcej)

[BunnyGo]

Possible concern about the night voting that the mafia powers won’t rebut:

What of town publicly decides on 2-4 events they’d be happy to have occur. Then all town randomly decide which to vote for. At EON they crumb/claim in last second post what they’re voting for. Then mafia cannot counter. Thoughts?

[Squigs44]

Possible concern about the night voting that the mafia powers won’t rebut:

What of town publicly decides on 2-4 events they’d be happy to have occur. Then all town randomly decide which to vote for. At EON they crumb/claim in last second post what they’re voting for. Then mafia cannot counter. Thoughts?

This isn't game breaking, cause town can't game this for info. It's just town protecting their PR usage. I imagine without publicly organizing this, you're still gonna have everyone vote for the 2nd or 3rd place wagon from the day before.

Also, good luck getting every player to last second breadcrumb. Or to agree to vote randomly between 2 outcomes.

[bozotheclown]

GMs
-1. Chaqa
0. President Eden

Players
1. Build Os Number Alpha (Bona)
2. Generic Human Unit GHUG (ghug)
3. Java-Augmented Machine-Integrated Engine (Jamie)
4. Diskette-Accessible Memory Object (Damo)
5. Rapid Data Retriever Intelligence version A.2.0.05 (rdrivera2005)
6. BASIC Output Access To Mainframe and Neuralinked entities (Boatman/TheFlyingBoat)
7. Server Nodule Operating Webchat Yibble (Snowy)
8. SQL Query Utilizing Injections Generates Sentience v44 (Squigs44)
9. Computer Espousing Lies by AI to Pass as Human (celaph)
10. Buffoonery Organization of Zany Operations (bozo)
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Substitutes
1.Tremendously Engineered Machinery Abiding Societal Expectations Knowingly 2.2 (Temasek22)
2. Strategic Arrangement Beta Instrument (Sabi)
3. Weird Optimum Rightfully Certified Enforcement Junction (worcej)

[lfischl]

How long do you expect this game to go?

[snowy801]

Long enough for you to be policy killed

[Chaqa]

How long do you expect this game to go?

I think Eden had a rough estimate, but I don't know what it was off the top of my head. If you have doubts, you should just play :D

[Chaqa]

Long enough for you to be policy killed

Long enough for you to be night 1'd

[snowy801]

Long enough for you to be policy killed

Long enough for you to be night 1'd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA770wpLX-Q

[President Eden]

How long do you expect this game to go?

We aim for this game to end before QuickTopic ends on November 27. If we bump back the start date then worst case is, we have to transition at the end of the game to something else and it ends right before December.

We’re intending to make this QuickTopic’s last hurrah, but if scheduling changes then it may not be. We’ll keep y’all posted

[lfischl]

Long enough for you to be policy killed

Yeah i think im gonna pass on this one tbh. If I make it past D1 I probably wont be at any EON or EODs.

[Bonatogether]

hype

[DemonRHK]

I'm legit just signing up to be a warm body since it's lookin kinda thin. There is a gaming release on the 16th gonna eat up most of my time. Kick me out if this is an issue.

GMs
-1. Chaqa
0. President Eden

Players
1. Build Os Number Alpha (Bona)
2. Generic Human Unit GHUG (ghug)
3. Java-Augmented Machine-Integrated Engine (Jamie)
4. Diskette-Accessible Memory Object (Damo)
5. Rapid Data Retriever Intelligence version A.2.0.05 (rdrivera2005)
6. BASIC Output Access To Mainframe and Neuralinked entities (Boatman/TheFlyingBoat)
7. Server Nodule Operating Webchat Yibble (Snowy)
8. SQL Query Utilizing Injections Generates Sentience v44 (Squigs44)
9. Computer Espousing Lies by AI to Pass as Human (celaph)
10. Buffoonery Organization of Zany Operations (bozo)
11. Realtime Health Kernel (RHK)
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Substitutes
1.Tremendously Engineered Machinery Abiding Societal Expectations Knowingly 2.2 (Temasek22)
2. Strategic Arrangement Beta Instrument (Sabi)
3. Weird Optimum Rightfully Certified Enforcement Junction (worcej)

[President Eden]

@RHK: It is not, but as it stands I expect us to push the start back, because this format doesn’t scale down well.

[President Eden]

Start date is postponed one week until Monday, November 15. Chaqa and I are working on how to host it, given the high probability of QuickTopic shutting down for good before the game ends.

[dargorygel]

Bumpola