M1019 – Once Upon A Time… [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]

[Doom427]

I thought mini games had 1 day phases... Guess we get two days of this.

I guess that gives me more time to get my three posts in. Any one want to claim a role they're not? That worked out well for town last time

This was your crumb?

Did Jamie crumb too? Did the whole scum team discuss crumbs pregame? But why would you tell us NOW?! You can’t be that bad at being scum. I know you (a bit). You’re sharp.

I said this earlier too... once we flipped the other lost sibling. Maybe I didn't mention the fake crumb? But I was trying my best to not be super obvious I was VT. Of course, by that I just meant I didn't make posts saying other players were the Lost Sibling or Tracker, which hardly seems that odd to me... Tho. a lot of y'all did do that so

[Doom427]

So:

Damo is so sure that Kak is scum that he is willing to endvote.

Doom and Durga respond by voting for Damo.

Interesting.

Would Jamie post this if Durga was scum.


For Bunny's purposes, he better hope so, cause Durga and I are both on this.

I think probably not.... but...

Ok, so Jamie KNOWS Kak is scum, and knows instnatlly what Damo is saying. I thought Damo was scum, which is why I voted there. Once Kak pops up Scum, it does look pretty bad to vote Kak, so this is a solid way to get a miskill of the two players who vote Damo.

It does give Jamie towncredit, and an obvious bus to jump on because Jamie knows what this means instantly. Jamie is scum, he knows for sure that Kak is scum.

So... my question is just would Durga as Scum... not catch this instantly? She has been sorta off on mechanics stuff? But I also don't think she jumps on that wagon with me, because of how scum it looks?

[Doom427]

I don't know what to think about Doom and Durga voting you.

Doom can be scum defending a fellow scum, but Durga knows better.

Yeah... this.

I don't see Durga doing that. This does make me look bad, I guess, but I also think I justified my actions based off the information I had at the time. So leaning on Scum Vecna/who's about to turn into Scum bunny? Still haven't hit day 3, where Durga says all the real info is

[Doom427]

If we let Kak live and mk and they NK you what do we learn?

assuming that's not a typo, then we get the real child to scan you, which is great? You just say "Yep, child scanned me". No lost child says "That didn't happen, damo isn't child", then... yay! We know you're town, and you know someone else is town. That's good. It guarantees we don't misskil between y'all?

But of course, the more I explain the benefit to town of doing this, the more it seems like Mafia would say "Yeah, that's a benefit, let's not let that happen." So I guess I have to wonder what the benefit to town is FOR killing today? I guess it saves real Tracker from a random NK?

It is funny as hell to me that this actually happened just as I said, except we did Day Kill Kak. Why does scum team not kill Damo? Whatever, I guess they got tracker out of it.

The Ghug kill is still nonsense to me, but once that happens I'm curious to see what Durga and Bunny have to say about it.

[Doom427]

Why can't the other child just claim then. Surely mafia won't fake claim child

Don't see why not.

TFB?

Wat

The other child shouldn't claim now. Stop helping the mafia PR hunt.

Beginning to realize why Scum Team might have suspected Ghug was tracker and TFB was the other lost child.

This is... wow, lol. Anyway, doesn't influence anything, I was tunneling hard on Ghug (on the inside, cause if I said anything It would involve coming out as VT, which ruins the whole point of trying to get NKed) so didn't catch this, but it does mean I have a pretty clear reason why Scum Team made kills they did. So, that'll color how I read nk discusison moving forward

[Doom427]

Quick reads and I really have to run:

Townier ————scummier

Damo, Durga, Jamie, UberSabi,Doom, DeathLlama, TFB, Ghug (shocked nobody else thinks so), kaka

Scum!Bunny townreading Scum!Durga & Scum!Jamie, and putting poor town!Doom in the middle

Actual reason I'm bringing this back-why was Durga and Jamie so high? Jamie in particular, but Durga I'm curious about to?

[Doom427]

I am having technical difficulties with QuickTopic. Hopefully they will be resolved prior to the start of Night 1, when it actually matters, but if not we’ll come up with a solution.

Posted day 1. Stop lying, and maybe think about not trying to concoct bullshit reasons to game GM communication every game. It's beyond old.

*This*—much more than Doom—looks like scum caught for the wrong reason.

Scum!Bunny protecting Scum!Doom by attacking Town!Ghug for scumreading Scum!Durga

:-/

[Doom427]

Rip ghug. The scum keeps killing all the top posters.

Did ghug drop any clues or hints about his pr?

On page 2 Ghug said "He can't be the mason if I'm the mason."

I certainly don't recall anything that might have been a tracker crumb.

LOL Jamie. Yeah, that's why scum team killed Ghug. Totally.

(Also, Durga opening the day with a vote of Jamie at first struck me as a bit weird, but double checked bot and she stayed on Jamie a LOT. If it's just a joke vote to make it look like pressure, don't think she would do that.)

[Doom427]

hmmmmmmm kinda weird i voted for jamie and he didn't say anything about it. he was like SO ANGRY last game when ppl voted him

Also feel like Durga and Jamie would have discussed this night before if they were both Scum, and Jamie would, like, have a planned reaciton. If Jamie is a bad actor, and they don't think they could pull off the scum theater, I don't think they Durga would stay on this so hard.

[BunnyGo]

Quick reads and I really have to run:

Townier ————scummier

Damo, Durga, Jamie, UberSabi,Doom, DeathLlama, TFB, Ghug (shocked nobody else thinks so), kaka

Scum!Bunny townreading Scum!Durga & Scum!Jamie, and putting poor town!Doom in the middle

Actual reason I'm bringing this back-why was Durga and Jamie so high? Jamie in particular, but Durga I'm curious about to?

This was all feels. I wasn’t reading closely or considering mechs. Jamie and Durga seemed like themselves—unafraid. You didn’t seem like yourself but I couldn’t figure out why.

[BunnyGo]

Posted day 1. Stop lying, and maybe think about not trying to concoct bullshit reasons to game GM communication every game. It's beyond old.

*This*—much more than Doom—looks like scum caught for the wrong reason.

Scum!Bunny protecting Scum!Doom by attacking Town!Ghug for scumreading Scum!Durga

:-/

##vote all of us!

[BunnyGo]

hmmmmmmm kinda weird i voted for jamie and he didn't say anything about it. he was like SO ANGRY last game when ppl voted him

Also feel like Durga and Jamie would have discussed this night before if they were both Scum, and Jamie would, like, have a planned reaciton. If Jamie is a bad actor, and they don't think they could pull off the scum theater, I don't think they Durga would stay on this so hard.

Jamie is a very good scum theatre actor. In a game where Durga was tracker and Jamie and I were scum, I bussed him from post one until Durga announced she caught me. After that I just screwed around until they finally killed me. I forget how they caught Jamie. I think mech also.

[Doom427]

Doom is asking "why kill ghug...? did they pick up on something?" I don't care if they did. Not killing you is a bad play. Even if ghug had shouted that he was the tracker, they shouldn't kill him. Tracker is a negative utility PR.

I kinda agree with this. Not sure why they'd let the children find each other. Then again snowy and Tom made decisions I didn't understand last game either so what do I know. Killing the thread isn't a bad strategy either because if no one talks then no one finds anything. But we're gonna prove them wrong, right? We're gonna talk endlessly.

One of y'all is lying here, and went along with Jamie to kill Ghug.

Bunny's saying it's a bad kill because Tracker is a bad role.

Durga's saying you should always go for clears, and it only has minor benefits for scum team.

Could someone pop into the Scum QT for me and find out if Jamie suggested the Ghug kill or if it was someone else? Would help this out a lot.

[Doom427]

##vote death

WTF is this vote Bunny? Why do you keep pushing Death? I don't get it.

[Doom427]

Can we get rdr today pls?

Also hate this push, but that's cause I know now that RDR is for sure town. I still don't get the RDR votes at all, and Durga is the one pushing it the most day 4. But Scum! Bunny would be happy to see that.

Durga, why did you hate RDR so much day 4?

[Doom427]

Shit, ugh.

Ok, we have two kills left. Rdr wants Durga and Bunny.

I'm down with both of those personally, they're my biggest scum reads if I remember right.

Here's hoping scum give us an interesting night kill

I'm sorry rdr
I do feel kinda bad. I totally think I misplayed as town here a couple different times. The jump to rdr is my biggest mistake, the Sabi jump was just a bad bet, but I would have been worried going in to endgame with Sabi/Me/Durga-Bunny. There's a solid chance I still could have been convinced to go against Sabi in that theoretical endgame.

This is fun, but also it's so much pressure to guess correctly here. Both Bunny and Durga's votes on Day 4 and Day 5 are suspect. Durga's been pushing a lot of the wagons, and they've been pretty bad.

Ok, almost done with reread

[BunnyGo]

##vote death

WTF is this vote Bunny? Why do you keep pushing Death? I don't get it.

I didn’t like his tone. He seemed too clever to do things like bring up his own VCA unprompted. He also reminded me a lot of my own scum style: read a lot, post a lot, and actively hunt, but in a way that’s just a little off. There was also some POE (you and TFB).

[BunnyGo]

I’ll be honest, I haven’t read any more today. Will read D3 later.

[Durga]

I'm still busy but it should be over in an hour and I can properly respond but it's kinda hilarious that doom is calling my pushes suspect when she joined me on 2/3 of those pushes and the one she didn't join me on was the one that flipped scum like wtf. And yeah doom, if I had pushed correctly on d4 or d5 we wouldn't be here the game would be over, so no shit.

Also you literally can't buy into my logic and then call it bad that's just not how this works.

[Doom427]

I did join you on the pushes, and then they were bad, and now Bunny's still here instead of dead. Which is why I feel like I made a mistake in my past play.

And I only joined the pushes that my vote would make a difference on. Which is why it felt bad-I could have tried to town read rdr more, or say we should save Sabi, and it would have made a difference.

And the "bad" is just, they were town, not that the logic is bad.

Sabi was an ok kill day 5, but when you're back I would like an explanation on RDR instead of Bunny.