M1019 – Once Upon A Time… [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]

[Durga]

Doom, why did you end on Bunny on d3?

[Durga]

OOps I fucked up some colours and also didn't mean to colour myself green d1 my bad

[Doom427]

Explain why if I was scum I wouldn't have pushed bunny over Sabi last turn. Sabi being here ups my chances of winning as scum by a fuck lot. I forced y'all to hammer Sabi. Tell me the scum logic behind it.

Cause it gives you a clear and obvious town thing to point to???No matter what you have to find a way to make yourself look different from Bunny?

I don't even know? This is what makes the game impossible at this point. I don't think any town acts really count once you get down to only one scum member, because at that point the scums only objective is be as Townie as possible. So I have to think based off previous plays, and I don't know what there was super townie? Maybe I missed something, but...? Did you put pressure on Jamie at all? Or on Kak?

I'll check tomorrow, but?

[Durga]

Good god that vote analysis means the Bunny/Vecna slot bussed twice

[Durga]

Explain why if I was scum I wouldn't have pushed bunny over Sabi last turn. Sabi being here ups my chances of winning as scum by a fuck lot. I forced y'all to hammer Sabi. Tell me the scum logic behind it.

Cause it gives you a clear and obvious town thing to point to???No matter what you have to find a way to make yourself look different from Bunny?

I don't even know? This is what makes the game impossible at this point. I don't think any town acts really count once you get down to only one scum member, because at that point the scums only objective is be as Townie as possible. So I have to think based off previous plays, and I don't know what there was super townie? Maybe I missed something, but...? Did you put pressure on Jamie at all? Or on Kak?

I'll check tomorrow, but?

The game is nowhere near impossible? There is over a 100 pages of information that will show you the answer if you want it?

[Doom427]

Doom, why did you end on Bunny on d3?

Because I thought Bunny was scum?!?!?!! Like you do right now!!!

I even said I'd be fine to vote for Jamie, if it would save someone I townread more. But why would I jump from Bunny to Jamie? When I townread Jamie more than Bunny on day 3?

[Durga]

Doom, why did you end on Bunny on d3?

Because I thought Bunny was scum?!?!?!! Like you do right now!!!

I even said I'd be fine to vote for Jamie, if it would save someone I townread more. But why would I jump from Bunny to Jamie? When I townread Jamie more than Bunny on day 3?

What made you townread Jamie?

[Doom427]

The game is nowhere near impossible? There is over a 100 pages of information that will show you the answer if you want it?

Yeah, and it's telling me Bunny put pressure on both of the past scum...? And the big thing that you can point to that I remember is killing Sabi? Which you did after you would be the only scum, so your main incentive was to be the most townread

[Durga]

Doom, why don;t you go reread d3 and tell me what you think.

[Doom427]

Doom, why did you end on Bunny on d3?

Because I thought Bunny was scum?!?!?!! Like you do right now!!!

I even said I'd be fine to vote for Jamie, if it would save someone I townread more. But why would I jump from Bunny to Jamie? When I townread Jamie more than Bunny on day 3?

What made you townread Jamie?

I didn't know how to read Jamie, and didn't find the arguments as convincing as the ones for Bunny/Vecna? Only town read him more than Bunny

[Doom427]

Doom, why don;t you go reread d3 and tell me what you think.

Alright, will take a look sometime tonight. Can't reread for a little bit is the thing

[Doom427]

About to dinner, and then mini golf with friends. After that I'll try? Maybe slip in during the golf

[Durga]

Doom, why don;t you go reread d3 and tell me what you think.

Alright, will take a look sometime tonight. Can't reread for a little bit is the thing

okay i pressured jamie several times right off the bat, want you to read those posts and think about whether scum does that and what the incentive might be at that stage to do that

[Durga]

no cap i'm going through d3 and i bring up jamie like 10000 times even when the convo isn't about him like damn i'm good

[Durga]

rereading d3 makes me want to vote bunny - he has a bunch of posts where he talks about things but they don't have any substance

[Durga]

@Bunny are you pissed off that you've subbed into a shitty scumteam?

LOL

[Durga]

Do you think it makes more sense to kill ghug even if they were 100% sure he was the tracker (somehow) rather than damo? Killing damo prevents the other mason from finding him and clearing. Killing ghug does...something? Stops me from tunneling him further. Gives us lots of ability to reread D1 knowing things now? Oh no! We lost the most useless PR that is mostly good at outing other PRs and accidentally outing the sleepwalker and causing town to self destruct!

I don't understand this at all.

Doom is asking "why kill ghug...? did they pick up on something?" I don't care if they did. Not killing you is a bad play. Even if ghug had shouted that he was the tracker, they shouldn't kill him. Tracker is a negative utility PR.

this was also a weird and blatantly wrong take

[Durga]

^the tracker part

[Durga]

I don't understand this at all.

Doom is asking "why kill ghug...? did they pick up on something?" I don't care if they did. Not killing you is a bad play. Even if ghug had shouted that he was the tracker, they shouldn't kill him. Tracker is a negative utility PR.

Disregarding the tracker as negative utility (it's not a great role, but finding sleepwalker gives us a TownClear, and that's worth something (Sleepwalker will almost always NOT be looking at the Night Kill, so Tracker knows it's either a sleepwalker or a lost), and it can actually find a mafia, especially when there's fewer and fewer scum. Now there's only 2, which means 50/50 the tracker would guess right and get a full scan), it does seem odd. Last game, Scum Team lost because they kept not taking out clears, and instead focusing on others. But with flips, we... umm... we really aren't going to kill Damo? So they can't be trying that gambit.

So why Ghug? I think he said last game he never crumbs, so they couldn't have picked up on a Crumb. So what was it, if not being worried about Tracker? Damo said earlier shooting good players, and that makes sense to me

what a strange thing to remember about ghug

[Durga]

Maybe TFB? He for no apparent reason strongly strongly townreads TFB, even making Sabi promise to never vote for "[ghug] or TFB."

This would only make sense if TFB is the other mason or the sleepwalker; ghug wouldn't do this if TFB went nowhere (as I'll eat damo's hat if anyone but kaka did the kill on N1). Or I'm overthinking things.

I think you may be right, ghug tracked TFB to non-snowy. Or Sabi maybe. Why did he have both in his town core? He can only have been certain about 1.

He mentioned TFB a lot more (and somewhat out of nowhere to Durga's frustration). He also told Sabi to never vote TFB, not the other way around. That said, you know if TFB is a mason.

I *think* there might be a restricted choice issue here? Where if TFB isn't a mason, you should be less likely to believe I've found a crumb? Not sure.

you know bunny i do find it a little strange that you've put so much thought into ghug crumbing tfb