M1019 – Once Upon A Time… [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]

[BesharamSabi]

##vote jamiet
no comment on behavior - I agree that it's unfair to disincentivize him being nice - but he had 45 posts yesterday, mostly before damo's reveal, without really actively scumhunting, and I don't have anything to townread him off of. The kakarroto townread is weird but probably something kaka would've felt more comfortable doing with a N0 chat, and also something that was expressed before the game.

That makes it 2-2-2?

Kaka said before the game he will be defending Jamiet from being killed so I think it's NAI. But I also agree that there is no reason to townread Jamiet this game.

What's nai?

[BesharamSabi]

Sabi how do you square the fact you are on the same wagon as your main scumread?

Like I said I only went on rdr wagon to counter my owb. I'm going back to the doom wagon ##VOTE doom.

[BesharamSabi]

Like who is even voting doom??

I'm back on the doom wagon.

[damo666]

I think Sabi is town tbh

Jamie and Bunny then?

[Durga]

I think Sabi is town tbh

Jamie and Bunny then?

They're gonna have to flip at some point probably

[Durga]

Actually I'm less inclined to flip bunny rn

[TheFlyingBoat]

Why is TFB going ham defending.... Doom? So weird.

1) Roughly same thing I posted in response to a similar question last game, killing people I view strongly as town is bad and is a waste of the limited shots we have, therefore I take action to prevent that

2) Because I like being right and I was dragged/dragged myself into this argument, and I want to carry it through to completion. Probably a personality flaw. C'est la vie.

3) Because Sabi didn't want to repeat it and I wanted to analyze it to see if I was actually missing something. As I analyzed their case against Doom it got worse and worse looking to me and I figured it's worth pointing that out.

4) I just haven't seen anything in Doom's play to suggest she is a busser D1 given the circumstances we saw

Who is killing doom?

Nobody yet, but she is seemingly one of your stronger scum reads or at least one of your weakest town reads if you prefer that phraseology and is literally Sabi's primary non VT read. And yeah I am 2, but I figure I'll always be high on her scum read list no matter what I say or what I do. Hell I was on their scum list last game after I had role claimed JOAT, showed the crumbs, and saw no counterclaims at a point where anyone can easily make a counterclaim given the JOAT would likely have burned all their powers at that point. Therefore I don't see much need to defend myself from Sabi and I already litigated plenty with you so yeah.

[TheFlyingBoat]

##vote jamiet
no comment on behavior - I agree that it's unfair to disincentivize him being nice - but he had 45 posts yesterday, mostly before damo's reveal, without really actively scumhunting, and I don't have anything to townread him off of. The kakarroto townread is weird but probably something kaka would've felt more comfortable doing with a N0 chat, and also something that was expressed before the game.

That makes it 2-2-2?

Kaka said before the game he will be defending Jamiet from being killed so I think it's NAI. But I also agree that there is no reason to townread Jamiet this game.

What's nai?

Not or non alignment indicative

[Durga]

Just how is me saying we shouldn't discount doom make her one of my stronger scum reads?

[TheFlyingBoat]

was the sabi wagon a reaction test? bc if so you guys picked the only person who would react that defensively regardless of their actual alignment

Yeah at first I thought I was getting scummier vibes from their defense of themselves going onto RDR purely because they saw him as the largest counterwagon 26 hours before EoD instead of pushing any wagon they actually liked, but that being said you're probably right that trying to force a reaction test on Sabi was kinda dumb given we're going to get an ultra defensive reaction and scummy-ish reaction even if they are town.

##vote jamie

[TheFlyingBoat]

Just how is me saying we shouldn't discount doom make her one of my stronger scum reads?

I'll need to check again, but I thought I remembered seeing you go after Doom a fair a bit, support Sabi in her arguments, and even cast a vote for her, but I could be misremembering, let me check.

[BesharamSabi]

was the sabi wagon a reaction test? bc if so you guys picked the only person who would react that defensively regardless of their actual alignment

Yeah at first I thought I was getting scummier vibes from their defense of themselves going onto RDR purely because they saw him as the largest counterwagon 26 hours before EoD instead of pushing any wagon they actually liked, but that being said you're probably right that trying to force a reaction test on Sabi was kinda dumb given we're going to get an ultra defensive reaction and scummy-ish reaction even if they are town.

##vote jamie

At least I didn't vote for myself again so growth???

[BesharamSabi]

Just how is me saying we shouldn't discount doom make her one of my stronger scum reads?

I'll need to check again, but I thought I remembered seeing you go after Doom a fair a bit, support Sabi in her arguments, and even cast a vote for her, but I could be misremembering, let me check.

Wow misgendering me again tfb

[Durga]

Just how is me saying we shouldn't discount doom make her one of my stronger scum reads?

I'll need to check again, but I thought I remembered seeing you go after Doom a fair a bit, support Sabi in her arguments, and even cast a vote for her, but I could be misremembering, let me check.

Was that not d2 when Sabi actually made the case....?

Okay I need you to answer me: did/do you legitimately think doom was on the chopping block today

[Durga]

I always feel like it's easier for scum to defend town than it is to find scum and they use defending scum as a way to make it seem like they're doing something idk

[BesharamSabi]

Mr. TFB any reason why you jumped so quickly on my wagon when damo said to do so even tho you were giving me town reads?

[Durga]

I always feel like it's easier for scum to defend town than it is to find scum and they use defending scum as a way to make it seem like they're doing something idk

Wtf did I say.

I mean it's easier for scum to defend town than to fake scum reads on town. Tfb defending doom when no one was realistically pushing her (except maybe Sabi?) so intensely is kinda sus.

[TheFlyingBoat]

Mr. TFB any reason why you jumped so quickly on my wagon when damo said to do so even tho you were giving me town reads?

I didn't jump on because Damo said so. I jumped on because it was a quick forming wagon that I thought would pressure you to do reactive things which is a great way to get info and form leans. Truth be told if you were anyone else and you did what you did I would leading a wagon on you incredibly hard given your reaction. DL has convinced me that reaction from you under such a test is NAI, because under any pressure, regardless of alignment, you will behave incredibly defensively. which is probably a fair assessment. So tl;dr I made a mistake and probably wasted my time.

[TheFlyingBoat]

Just how is me saying we shouldn't discount doom make her one of my stronger scum reads?

I'll need to check again, but I thought I remembered seeing you go after Doom a fair a bit, support Sabi in her arguments, and even cast a vote for her, but I could be misremembering, let me check.

Wow misgendering me again tfb

my apologies

[TheFlyingBoat]

Just how is me saying we shouldn't discount doom make her one of my stronger scum reads?

I'll need to check again, but I thought I remembered seeing you go after Doom a fair a bit, support Sabi in her arguments, and even cast a vote for her, but I could be misremembering, let me check.

Was that not d2 when Sabi actually made the case....?

Okay I need you to answer me: did/do you legitimately think doom was on the chopping block today

My predictions for most likely deaths at the time I made the defense were Doom and Jamie.