M1019 – Once Upon A Time… [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]

[ghug]

Aghhhh I hate this!!

Really? Damo claimed without pressure. I'd be pretty surprised if he weren't the one telling the truth here.

[BunnyGo]

two more votes to hammer according to the bot

I'd like to wait until we hear from Sabi and TFB so we have everyone's reaction but...
Well...
I had enough of the big multi-page fights last game. I won't cry if others vote to end early so we have something else to discuss. Don't think Bunny and Ghug's chat is getting us any info at this point.

OK can someone give me the pros and cons of hammering kako rn?

Pros:

If we’re going to kill kaka no matter what else happens today, it tends to be better for town to keep the game moving (morale and page catching up is hard on town; attention also wanes). Especially if we aren’t going to get any/much vote analysis.

Cons:

If we’re wrong, this is not good. If you think there’s more to discuss/learn/change votes then don’t end it.

[BesharamSabi]

I'd like to wait until we hear from Sabi and TFB so we have everyone's reaction but...
Well...
I had enough of the big multi-page fights last game. I won't cry if others vote to end early so we have something else to discuss. Don't think Bunny and Ghug's chat is getting us any info at this point.

OK can someone give me the pros and cons of hammering kako rn?

I can if you tell me what you think of kakarroto and damo’s respective claims

I honest to God don't believe either of them tbh but I'm not very familiar with either of them so my judgment on both isn't the best. Basing off how the crowd is going I guess kako is the least believable of the two.

[BesharamSabi]

Aghhhh I hate this!!

Really? Damo claimed without pressure. I'd be pretty surprised if he weren't the one telling the truth here.

OK I missed that part during my reread. More to look into these stuff.

[DeathLlama8]

gdi bunny I’m trying to be instructive
@Sabi - what motivations do they have to play this way if they’re both scum? Why does the crowd moving towards kakarroto make him scummier for you?

[BesharamSabi]

I'd like to wait until we hear from Sabi and TFB so we have everyone's reaction but...
Well...
I had enough of the big multi-page fights last game. I won't cry if others vote to end early so we have something else to discuss. Don't think Bunny and Ghug's chat is getting us any info at this point.

OK can someone give me the pros and cons of hammering kako rn?

Pros:

If we’re going to kill kaka no matter what else happens today, it tends to be better for town to keep the game moving (morale and page catching up is hard on town; attention also wanes). Especially if we aren’t going to get any/much vote analysis.

Cons:

If we’re wrong, this is not good. If you think there’s more to discuss/learn/change votes then don’t end it.

Yea I'm going to err on not hammering and using the full day to investigate because can we afford a miskill at this point?

[BunnyGo]

gdi bunny I’m trying to be instructive
@Sabi - what motivations do they have to play this way if they’re both scum? Why does the crowd moving towards kakarroto make him scummier for you?

Sorry. Was cross post. Continue.

[Durga]

Aghhhh I hate this!!

Really? Damo claimed without pressure. I'd be pretty surprised if he weren't the one telling the truth here.

Yeah I guess so

[ghug]

Indicating that scum never discussed this in the scumchat. There are many reasons that may be the case. But there are many players here I’d expect to figure it out in a N0.

Bunny, we were told there would be a sucm chat N0. Eden would be fucking the game up if he didn't give that. There are plenty of options for chat on the internet. They were able to discuss.

Ah. Was this in the signup thread? I only saw that in people’s comments. But still, it means that several players who would discuss this (eg Damo, Vecna, Jamie, probably you (doom)) didn’t communicate their thoughts about what to fake claim if caught. The players who always consider mechs would have considered this in the chat.

1. Eden said he was having trouble with QT during the day. He said he hoped it would be fixed by the time it mattered. That's not someone trying to cover for a game breaking error they already made. Eden is also fully capable of finding ways to keep an outage from breaking the game. It's not a thing.
2. Some people don't join the game with the intention of running it like you do.

[Kakarroto]

If Kak was scum wouldn't he just claim he followed one of his scum members and saw nothing for the sake of not being contradicted? I mean maybe not but it seems like an easier result than this.

At the same time damo is adament so I don't knooooow

I mean, claiming no visit on a townie has the potential to out a PR without drawing attention to a teammate, right?

That's why I chose my words carefully, so I don't accidentally out a PR.

[DeathLlama8]

OK can someone give me the pros and cons of hammering kako rn?

Pros:

If we’re going to kill kaka no matter what else happens today, it tends to be better for town to keep the game moving (morale and page catching up is hard on town; attention also wanes). Especially if we aren’t going to get any/much vote analysis.

Cons:

If we’re wrong, this is not good. If you think there’s more to discuss/learn/change votes then don’t end it.

Yea I'm going to err on not hammering and using the full day to investigate because can we afford a miskill at this point?

You can also investigate now?

[BunnyGo]

Bunny, we were told there would be a sucm chat N0. Eden would be fucking the game up if he didn't give that. There are plenty of options for chat on the internet. They were able to discuss.

Ah. Was this in the signup thread? I only saw that in people’s comments. But still, it means that several players who would discuss this (eg Damo, Vecna, Jamie, probably you (doom)) didn’t communicate their thoughts about what to fake claim if caught. The players who always consider mechs would have considered this in the chat.

1. Eden said he was having trouble with QT during the day. He said he hoped it would be fixed by the time it mattered. That's not someone trying to cover for a game breaking error they already made. Eden is also fully capable of finding ways to keep an outage from breaking the game. It's not a thing.
2. Some people don't join the game with the intention of running it like you do.

Yes. That’s why I listed players I suspected WOULD consider what role to fake claim. See how that works? If there’s a pregame chat, and kaka fakeclaimed the role that is less mechanically good to fake claim, I’d be surprised if those people were in the chat with him.

[DeathLlama8]

hi kakarroto
did you see damo visit anyone

[BesharamSabi]

gdi bunny I’m trying to be instructive
@Sabi - what motivations do they have to play this way if they’re both scum? Why does the crowd moving towards kakarroto make him scummier for you?

I feel like I missed a lot during rereads that you don't catch on to when you're in the moment for a lot of this stuff. Like all this happened before I subbed in so yea. I'm going with what the crowd wants to do in this situation because I missed a lot.

Idk if both are scum but I don't believe either of them TBH. Their reactions seems off. Ghug did bring up a point that I missed during reread that damo made his claim without pressure so yea I have to take that under consideration.

[BunnyGo]

If Kak was scum wouldn't he just claim he followed one of his scum members and saw nothing for the sake of not being contradicted? I mean maybe not but it seems like an easier result than this.

At the same time damo is adament so I don't knooooow

I mean, claiming no visit on a townie has the potential to out a PR without drawing attention to a teammate, right?

That's why I chose my words carefully, so I don't accidentally out a PR.

So what *did* you see Damo do?

[Durga]

If Kak was scum wouldn't he just claim he followed one of his scum members and saw nothing for the sake of not being contradicted? I mean maybe not but it seems like an easier result than this.

At the same time damo is adament so I don't knooooow

I mean, claiming no visit on a townie has the potential to out a PR without drawing attention to a teammate, right?

That's why I chose my words carefully, so I don't accidentally out a PR.

??

[BesharamSabi]

Pros:

If we’re going to kill kaka no matter what else happens today, it tends to be better for town to keep the game moving (morale and page catching up is hard on town; attention also wanes). Especially if we aren’t going to get any/much vote analysis.

Cons:

If we’re wrong, this is not good. If you think there’s more to discuss/learn/change votes then don’t end it.

Yea I'm going to err on not hammering and using the full day to investigate because can we afford a miskill at this point?

You can also investigate now?

Yep. That's the plan. Rereading stuff is both good and bad at the same time.

[Durga]

I think maybe it just physically hurts me to do it without a direct counterclaim

[Doom427]

Took me a second to realize what Kak even meant, and then realized Kak should probably explain, not me, cause if Kak meant it the wrong way then... well, I shouldn't cover for him.

So how about I ask a question about something else, while we wait- have two players getting mad and angry at each other actually ever caused one or the other to get voted out? Last game we had a few different blow-outs, like between PE and Chaqa, or PE and Jamie, or.. Pe... and Chaqa... again... (Love you GM, the game's great!), but nothing ever happened from it.

Is it just read as two players blowing off steam from the game/past games? Is that basically all that should be read into it?

[Kakarroto]

hi kakarroto
did you see damo visit anyone

I was thinking if revealing this info would hurt town but after a good thought it shouldn't. If damo is town he should've stopped lying pages ago. No, I didn't see any movement from damo, he didn't visit anybody. Come to think about it, I shouldn't even have voted him before, that gave it kinda away too.