M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

[Jamiet99uk]

Yeah, this hasn't been enforced how Jamie described it.

I was quoting from a previous game where President Eden was the GM.

I repeat, this is why the Master Rules Post should be posted in the OP of every game. Then we could just flip to Page 1 of the game and look there.

Pretty basic stuff really.

##CALL GM:

What are the rules of this game, please?

[worcej]

You keep saying this but Sabi has given reads on people. You just don't like that they scumread you. And some people aren't as inclined to hunt, and especially when they have irl stuff going on, that's not always scum-indicative.

Sabi's reads
D3: Only had two real reads: Scummed me still and Towned you (kgray)
N2: Exclusively shitpost and continued to scum me. No other reads.
D2: 'trusted' Bunny, Scummed me and Chaqa, didn't want kgray or bozo to die, sheeped snowy to TFB, then 'choo choo'ed' me and called for people to get on me, then ended on TFB in claim-o-paloza.
N1: Indicated suspicion on Chaqa and shitposted.
D1: Wanted to kill Bona early (joke vote imho), voted Bunny over Jasnah and stated that the vote was because they wanted to even the votes out and thought bunny was sus, back to Bona, scummed me because my wagon went away and thought that it was because of 'signalling' and stayed on me through the phase.

You (kgray) made the point that TFB's reads are not progressing and adapting and Sabi is just as guilty of this.

Yeah I mean they're different people, so I have different metrics for reading them. I'm just saying that Sabi is giving some opinions, but not putting in a lot of scum-hunting effort isn't scummy for them. I think that TFB not trying to solve a puzzle is scummy for him.

Okay, but you think this level of non-progression is normal for town players? I don't - it's too mainstream and not moving my needle at all.

Compare Doom to Sabi and it's almost glaringly obvious something's wrong.

[kgray]

Sabi's reads
D3: Only had two real reads: Scummed me still and Towned you (kgray)
N2: Exclusively shitpost and continued to scum me. No other reads.
D2: 'trusted' Bunny, Scummed me and Chaqa, didn't want kgray or bozo to die, sheeped snowy to TFB, then 'choo choo'ed' me and called for people to get on me, then ended on TFB in claim-o-paloza.
N1: Indicated suspicion on Chaqa and shitposted.
D1: Wanted to kill Bona early (joke vote imho), voted Bunny over Jasnah and stated that the vote was because they wanted to even the votes out and thought bunny was sus, back to Bona, scummed me because my wagon went away and thought that it was because of 'signalling' and stayed on me through the phase.

You (kgray) made the point that TFB's reads are not progressing and adapting and Sabi is just as guilty of this.

Yeah I mean they're different people, so I have different metrics for reading them. I'm just saying that Sabi is giving some opinions, but not putting in a lot of scum-hunting effort isn't scummy for them. I think that TFB not trying to solve a puzzle is scummy for him.

TFB keeps putting out these reads lists but I don't see him pushing much

Also true, and he's generally someone who doesn't shy away from debates or pushing his opinions.

[Chaqa]

That said, in past games (such as M55) we have done things like saying "post xyz in the QT." Xorxes and I used a similar code with EMC to catch a bunch of people in that game.

I don't understand.

You posted in the main thread, telling people what codes to use in the QT?

Wouldn't that be a bit obvious?

You were in that game. In the QT.

It was the Neighborizer game you were like a weird doctor babysitter type role

[kgray]

Sabi's reads
D3: Only had two real reads: Scummed me still and Towned you (kgray)
N2: Exclusively shitpost and continued to scum me. No other reads.
D2: 'trusted' Bunny, Scummed me and Chaqa, didn't want kgray or bozo to die, sheeped snowy to TFB, then 'choo choo'ed' me and called for people to get on me, then ended on TFB in claim-o-paloza.
N1: Indicated suspicion on Chaqa and shitposted.
D1: Wanted to kill Bona early (joke vote imho), voted Bunny over Jasnah and stated that the vote was because they wanted to even the votes out and thought bunny was sus, back to Bona, scummed me because my wagon went away and thought that it was because of 'signalling' and stayed on me through the phase.

You (kgray) made the point that TFB's reads are not progressing and adapting and Sabi is just as guilty of this.

Yeah I mean they're different people, so I have different metrics for reading them. I'm just saying that Sabi is giving some opinions, but not putting in a lot of scum-hunting effort isn't scummy for them. I think that TFB not trying to solve a puzzle is scummy for him.

Okay, but you think this level of non-progression is normal for town players? I don't - it's too mainstream and not moving my needle at all.

Compare Doom to Sabi and it's almost glaringly obvious something's wrong.

I guess I don't understand what you mean by mainstream, because it's not like all of Sabi's reads are just go-with-the-flow observations. They expressed suspicion of you after most had generally accepted you as town, and they called my frustration towny when tons of people were suggesting it was fake and scumreading me.

I am not concerned with Sabi's level of non-progression considering this game is a lot and they have legitimate real-life things going on.

What do you think Doom is doing that shows such obvious progression compared to Sabi?

[Jamiet99uk]

That said, in past games (such as M55) we have done things like saying "post xyz in the QT." Xorxes and I used a similar code with EMC to catch a bunch of people in that game.

I don't understand.

You posted in the main thread, telling people what codes to use in the QT?

Wouldn't that be a bit obvious?

You were in that game. In the QT.

It was the Neighborizer game you were like a weird doctor babysitter type role

Oh yeah but that was a weird game because there were so many multiple QTs and some people were in more than one QT at once.

Fun tho.

[Jamiet99uk]

Hi, Lfischl

[Jamiet99uk]

Bye, LurkfischL

[BesharamSabi]

Sabi is in early, and starts talking and asking questions, but never once addresses bozo. They addresses TFB for calling bozo's idea dumb and says he wants to just kill people.

Now, if Sabi knows TFB and Bona and kgray from elsewhere, I guess it might make sense to ignore everyone but who they knows.

But I'm reconsidering my Sabi townlean based on the first few pages.

RL issues causing availability gaps aside, I honestly cannot understand why anyone has a town vibe from Sabi in this game anymore. Sabi's posts have mostly been non-value adding and no real effort to scum hunt. Mostly little jokes here and there.

And before anyone says it: Sabi isn't a noob. Sabi has played mafia on discord and knows how this game works.

I literally scum read you and tfb. I am still learning this game. I town read Katie, doom, bunny, etc. Sorry I didn't make a giant wall of text for each player. I am sorry I haven't had time or the energy to dissect everyone spost, my life has been a mess since Saturday. It's easier to do low effort post than go back and reread everything.

The discord mafia I played is the five minute popcorn server bot one. Once again Bona and whoever was on the nexus mafia server can confirm that. The popcorn mafia is nothing like this mafia so please.

[BesharamSabi]

RL issues causing availability gaps aside, I honestly cannot understand why anyone has a town vibe from Sabi in this game anymore. Sabi's posts have mostly been non-value adding and no real effort to scum hunt. Mostly little jokes here and there.

And before anyone says it: Sabi isn't a noob. Sabi has played mafia on discord and knows how this game works.

You keep saying this but Sabi has given reads on people. You just don't like that they scumread you. And some people aren't as inclined to hunt, and especially when they have irl stuff going on, that's not always scum-indicative.

Sabi's reads
D3: Only had two real reads: Scummed me still and Towned you (kgray)
N2: Exclusively shitpost and continued to scum me. No other reads.
D2: 'trusted' Bunny, Scummed me and Chaqa, didn't want kgray or bozo to die, sheeped snowy to TFB, then 'choo choo'ed' me and called for people to get on me, then ended on TFB in claim-o-paloza.
N1: Indicated suspicion on Chaqa and shitposted.
D1: Wanted to kill Bona early (joke vote imho), voted Bunny over Jasnah and stated that the vote was because they wanted to even the votes out and thought bunny was sus, back to Bona, scummed me because my wagon went away and thought that it was because of 'signalling' and stayed on me through the phase.

You (kgray) made the point that TFB's reads are not progressing and adapting and Sabi is just as guilty of this.

I stopped sussing you once I read that Bozo was lying about doctor. Again, I read tfb as scum because he's the most familiar to me. I also read Katie as town because I have played diplomacy with her an di know when she sounds frustrated due to being targeted by others vs being guilty.

Please build a wagon on me. I truly do not care if you build a wagon for me. I actually encourage you to build a wagon for me. Better I die asap so we don't need a sub than drag me through this game any longer. You, bunny, and snow can all make a wagon for me. Go through all my post, build that evidence. I am supporting this.

Heck I will encourage everyone to join this wagon. Get me out of this game so we don't need to drag a poor sub in here and make this game more disruptive.

[BesharamSabi]

Between being accused of lying about not playing forum mafia, lying about real life stuff happening, and lying about how I don't know how the game mechanics work, I'm just exhausted and I really do not care anymore. This game is dragging and if I'm the d3 kill please make it a hammer kill in the first 24 hours so I can personally move on.

That's all I ask. If you can't hammer kill me than stop dragging me in this witch hunt.

I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT SCUM HUNTING. SORRY MY MENTAL HEALTH SUCKS AND I DON'T WANT TO REREAD 3,000 POSTS.

OK I said my what's been frustrating me.

[BesharamSabi]

Sabi's reads
D3: Only had two real reads: Scummed me still and Towned you (kgray)
N2: Exclusively shitpost and continued to scum me. No other reads.
D2: 'trusted' Bunny, Scummed me and Chaqa, didn't want kgray or bozo to die, sheeped snowy to TFB, then 'choo choo'ed' me and called for people to get on me, then ended on TFB in claim-o-paloza.
N1: Indicated suspicion on Chaqa and shitposted.
D1: Wanted to kill Bona early (joke vote imho), voted Bunny over Jasnah and stated that the vote was because they wanted to even the votes out and thought bunny was sus, back to Bona, scummed me because my wagon went away and thought that it was because of 'signalling' and stayed on me through the phase.

You (kgray) made the point that TFB's reads are not progressing and adapting and Sabi is just as guilty of this.

Yeah I mean they're different people, so I have different metrics for reading them. I'm just saying that Sabi is giving some opinions, but not putting in a lot of scum-hunting effort isn't scummy for them. I think that TFB not trying to solve a puzzle is scummy for him.

Okay, but you think this level of non-progression is normal for town players? I don't - it's too mainstream and not moving my needle at all.

Compare Doom to Sabi and it's almost glaringly obvious something's wrong.

It's almost like I have real life issues that's hindering my progression. Gee I wonder what's going on in my life at the moment. Hmm

[Durga]

Maybe you can ask for a sub Sabi? The last thing you should do is have this mafia game stress you out when you already have a lot to deal with.

[BesharamSabi]

Between being accused of lying about not playing forum mafia, lying about real life stuff happening, and lying about how I don't know how the game mechanics work, I'm just exhausted and I really do not care anymore. This game is dragging and if I'm the d3 kill please make it a hammer kill in the first 24 hours so I can personally move on.

That's all I ask. If you can't hammer kill me than stop dragging me in this witch hunt.

I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT SCUM HUNTING. SORRY MY MENTAL HEALTH SUCKS AND I DON'T WANT TO REREAD 3,000 POSTS.

OK I said my what's been frustrating me.

Confession time:

I totally did a fake meltdown on Saturday in vdl and quit most diplomacy servers and then proceeded to go on a fake bender so that I spend my Saturday and Sunday in scum chat.

I also totally made up a friend going missing and then finding out they passed away in a car accident so that I could also spend more time in scum chat.

Worcej, snow and bunny caught on to my lies and deceit. I thought my 6D chess moves would not have been obvious. Silly me.

[rdrivera2005]

Who are your top three scumreads at this moment rdr?

This is a hard question. I had a lot more town reads then scumreads, that´s why I am advocating going for POE.

I would say you, Jamiet and one from the more active players. Vecna isn´t exactly impressive this game and Kgray is improving but I can´t sill say she is obvtown.

Yours?

Hmmm, this might actually register very highly as a fake read from Rdrivera. Especially after im just telling Flum that its usually town thats suspicious of me.

Id like you to expand on why im unimpressive Rdrivera? What metric do you use to measure that?

The few stances you have had this game were exactly the same as my own, except Jasnah.

It's not fake. I usually can get an obvtown feeling about you early and this game I just didn't get it. More or less the same feeling I have about Kgray earlier.
Maybe unimpressive isn't the right word, it's more like you didn't get a strong impression to be town. I can't say I see something scummy and I am not advocating going after you tomorrow, but you are a possible scum to me.

[DemonRHK]

Yeah, this hasn't been enforced how Jamie described it.

I was quoting from a previous game where President Eden was the GM.

I repeat, this is why the Master Rules Post should be posted in the OP of every game. Then we could just flip to Page 1 of the game and look there.

Pretty basic stuff really.

##CALL GM:

What are the rules of this game, please?

##GM NOTE

There is a link to the master mafia top, post, one, outlining the base rules of mafia as well as the google doc outlining the specifics of the setup.

When in doubt, ask permission.

[Fluminator]

I don't remember agreeing with Rdr so much in a game before

[Vecna]

Given that were way past day1, id hope for something a little concrete, given how that readslist mentioned suspicion of only 3 slots.

If you managed to find reasons to feel good/towny about the other 15-16 slots, that seems like very thin reasoning to pick for putting my name there.

For now ill chuck it up to you not having read a significant portion of the game, but im not happy.

[Vecna]

I don't remember agreeing with Rdr so much in a game before

When have you ever townread me on day1?

[Fluminator]

I don't remember agreeing with Rdr so much in a game before

When have you ever townread me on day1?

I remember screaming at people not to daykill you before because I townread you so hard lol